Linkstrikesback
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Well, for one thing, this applies to the UK and not just England.
Plus I think OP is in Scotland.
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UK scientists being dropped from EU research projects
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Well, for one thing, this applies to the UK and not just England.
Plus I think OP is in Scotland.
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Because Wales fluffed their chance to win Euros and become relevant once and for all.
cymru am byth...No I mean all the people on the first page saying English instead of British.
"We could be more open to researchers coming from otuside the EU who are currently discriminated against." - Researcher who will vote to exit.
I love that line of thinking we often hear insincerely trumpeted by Brexiters in various forms.
Yes, more open to foreigners, that's definitely the direction the UK is going. Oh, and I'm sure those super-smart, points based immigrants just can't wait to get here after the way we treated the last batch.
PdotMichael
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Then this has no ground and most likely there are other reasons involved than Brexit.
Alcoremortis
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I can understand taking someone off a project because funding doesn't cover them anymore.
But asking them to take their name off it? That's just not done. If it's already written, that's probably one of the least ethical things I've heard of outside of outright plagiarism. I know because I had to take this dumb ethics class and appropriately citing contributors was, like, a third of the course.
But asking them to take their name off it? That's just not done. If it's already written, that's probably one of the least ethical things I've heard of outside of outright plagiarism. I know because I had to take this dumb ethics class and appropriately citing contributors was, like, a third of the course.
Whilst I'm on the same side as you TBH, most of what you've said here is hyperbole and not based on facts.
The EMA HQ in London is home to about 600-700 mostly administrators. Most of the assessment is done through a decentralised EU wide network of scientists and the EMA's job is not "R&D" it's to assess the R&D efforts of others.
PdotMichael
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More like post-oil crisis UK, which is crazy because many leave voters should remember that time.
these 600-700 people aren't going to keep their job in a UK that is on the verge of leaving the EU.
This is true. But the UK will most likely need to set up it's own very similar government agency.
Wrestlemania
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Scotland is in the UK and therefore, regardless of how it voted, is lumped in with the result and suffers direct consequences such as this.
Englebert3rd
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Many of those leavers are probably against immigrants.
They certainly won't need to be that many, I don't see how that's anything but a net loss.
It's a loss, but not really to R&D with the impact implied by the original statement. The halted funding and stalled investments across the country both in academia and industry are a way bigger loss and have a much harder impact than anything going on with the EMA.
Edit: I'm fed up of hyperbole and dubious claims from all sides even though I wanted to stay, so apologies if it comes off as harsh.
PdotMichael
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No university would accept that, it's not just that the academic employee gets nothing but it has negative effects on the university.
Of course, it was.
Even large parts of the first generation immigration waves were against more immigrants. It's a clusterfuck of nonsense.
Don't worry they're going to lose that too.
For the European competitors, this is actually a godsend.
Like for military contract? UK companies are now looking more like a foreign US company that a EU company.
Research is an aspect but they basically told all of the EU that the UK wasn't interested in selling their goods to them.
I have no idea why it's a position one would want to have but it opens huge breach that competitors will absolutely fill.
e: don't worry I didn't take your post the wrong way.
you can use a strong tone with meaning to reinforce your post without coming off as insulting imo so don't worry.
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ultratruman
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Unfortunately many EU citizens and institutions outside the UK still sneer at the idea of Scotland being considered separate from the UK. I'm not sure what my uni is doing about this, but they sent a mass email to all students re-assuring they are welcome in this country.
It's all so sad.
I have friends who are professors at top Russell group universities.
One lost £7m pounds in funding last week because the studies they perform are typical long duration studies following subjects for 3 to 5 years.
UK universities can't guarantee they'll have a regulatory environment that permits funding through EU institutions in the long run, so other universities have to cut them out.
This is a colossal disaster for UK higher education.
My professor friends are already entertaining offers to leave.
One lost £7m pounds in funding last week because the studies they perform are typical long duration studies following subjects for 3 to 5 years.
UK universities can't guarantee they'll have a regulatory environment that permits funding through EU institutions in the long run, so other universities have to cut them out.
This is a colossal disaster for UK higher education.
My professor friends are already entertaining offers to leave.
ultratruman
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In a few years there's going to be an inquiry into what the fuck is happening right now.
Yes, it's huge fuck up, is going to set then back at least 4 or 5 years. In certain fields that is devastating, they are going to be a lot less competitive in the future.
Linkstrikesback
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Honestly, only 4-5 years might even be a bit optimistic, depending on just how badly this cock up ruins UK participation in EU collaborations.
I'm trying to imagine what this is going to mean not only for the unis, but for example for the Catapult programme, and it's going to be a complete disaster. To worst thing is that gaining the lost momentum again is super dificult, even more if you lose the key personnel and you are not training the future researchers because you don't have the funding.
Linkstrikesback
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No, it's the right way around. The general feeling among the UK scientists is that we would jump at any chance to keep the collaborations. The EU politics side pretty much makes it very difficult if not impossible to keep us in the loop while our politicians carry on ruining everything from the little bubble they're in.
At a research away day last week, we had a guy from some government funding branch insisting that "things would carry on as normal" until article 50 is executed. They really have no idea.
Who knows. It's all terrible. I need to decide whether to learn French or German...
Funky Papa
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Going by the articles in the local local press, the EMA acts like a magnet and tends to attract smaller firms, mostly labs. Alas, this is not my area of expertise.
Trojita
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What does this even mean?
Linkstrikesback
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If they couldn't they'd never get the job in the first place. Get out of here with that nonsense.
There is something else going on there. Authorship has nothing to do with funding.
I've collaborated and published with scientists in China, Canada, and UK - all of which have completely different funding mechanisms than us (NIH/NCI).
I'm sure it was done in jest.
Academic speak more than nationality has more to do with understantability anyway.
Dash_Riprock
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And people really thought the EU would play nice and wait 2+ years before they did anything?
Alx
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The problem is that most major research projects are at least 3 years long, which is the duration of a doctorate (PhD students are usually paid with the grants of such projects). So it's hard to file a project for that duration or more if you're not even sure you'll still be "allowed" to get that money by the end of the project.
It may be excessively cautious/pessimistic though, negotiations during the 2 years post a50 will probably allow running projects to come to completion, but right now it's not a given.
Yah. Funding sources do NOT like uncertainty like that looming A50.
Hilarious is the wrong word, maybe ironic is better? It looks like the exit vote with the intention to strengthen the nation is just going to weaken it both intellectually and economically.
The thing is that the EU is not doing anything. Is the other researchers being cautious and not jeopardizing their proposals by including UK based researchers, because of the uncertainty. And is completely logical, some of the most competitive calls receive up to 120 proposals and only 2 or 3 are funded. Nobody is risking it not knowing what is going to happen.
Cosmic Schwung
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I assumed he meant a grant proposal. No idea why anyone would want a name removed from a paper if they've already done the research.
WhateverItTakes
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It pisses me off we've had NOTHING said about any of this. They aren't throwing around reassurances like in other sectors, the government is just doing it's usual 'Fuck science til it can make us money' routine.
It has not even started doing anything. It is the fear of the Union not approving these projects in the long run that is causing this action.
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