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[JawzPause]

More and more I'm starting to think Scorpio and neo are a mistake.
This is all due to the absurd cycle length of XB360 & PS3. When the ps4 and xb1 were announced it was apparent from the start that they were not powerful enough.
Every console released before this gen were powerful machines that were near the top of specs at the time.
This gen were simply not and this has caused the "next-gen" scorpio and neo to be released so early.
How long will it take after Scorpio before the actual next gen console is released? Or is scorpio the next gen console and exclusive games will release on it after a certain period of time?
The console space is fucked. There's too many questions and Sony/MS should have just stuck with their consoles for a few more years.

 

[Maximilian E.]

Quite a stupid comment to be honest.. and really a waste of sales.
Are they really "mandating" 4K rez? Didn´t they learn anything by forcing 720p debacle on 360?

 

[Plasma]

That doesn't even make sense downsampling from 4K to 1080p on PC makes the image quality look so much better and this machine is supposed to give a bump to framerate as well. Most games that come out on Xbox One aren't even hitting 1080p either so you'll be able to notice a difference straight away.

 

[Glorified G]

I'm sure most of you will just ignore what he's actually saying to carry a narritive and make his comments into something it's not. I clearly see what he's saying as Scorpio is premium device that would benefit those who buy it to also have a 4K tv. He's clearly not saying don't buy it if you don't have a 4K tv. This paranoia around Scorpio really needs to stop its just a games console. Just like Neo will require you to have a 4K tv to fully take advantage of its capabilities nothing he said is out of bounds.

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“You should buy [the Xbox One S], because Scorpio is not going to do anything for you,” Spencer said after asking the reviewer what TV he had – in this instance a 1080p set. “Scorpio is designed as a 4K console, and if you don't have a 4K TV, the benefit we've designed for, you're not going to see

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[geordiemp]

Nah its just phil trying to make sure people still buy xb1.

Remember MS announced Fallout 4 VR.

Fallout 4 runs in 900/1080 at 30 FPS.

Fallout VR requires 1200p at 90 FPS.

So Scorpio has to bump framerate and fidelity for VR.

But please keep buying xb1 s if you ahve a 1080p TV - phil spencer.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

I understand the strategy, but its just making your new (and good) console a niche product when it could be so much more. Hard to know which one is ultimately better.

This is 18 months out though and they need to sell XB1's, the narrative could easily switch to -

"We have seen great interest and adoption of the Scorpio, so it makes sense for us to make the Scorpio a product for everyone".

Interesting times.

 

[bidguy]

what happened to "devs decide what they wanna do with 6tf" ?

 

[Kayant]

Haha Spencer has zero knowledge of gaming tech.

He probably thinks all Scorpio games are forced into 4k resolution.

Well technically he's not wrong

 

[gofreak]

That kind of contradicts what they said about it being up to devs to use it as they wish.

Scorpio would allow a relatively straightforward scaling of 1080p Xbox One level graphics up to 4K - it neatly seems to coincide with the ballpark needed for that - but if that's the design intent, or the intentions of MS first party games on Scorpio, I think it's a bit of a missed opportunity. I think richer 1080p would be more interesting and more relevant for more people for the remainder of this cycle.

 

[cireza]

I am confused. I was hoping for 1080p/60fps gameplay for all games, so we won't have this benefit with Scorpio ?

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Would it kill MS to put all their execs/PR people in a room and coach them them on exactly what to say when interviewed? At least then they'd be consistent.

 

[Milly Osworth]

MS PR is almost as bad as Nintendo.

"Buy our Scorpio! But wait, also buy our Xbox One S! Oh, you don't want both? Well the Scorpio is not for you anyway, buy Xbox One S!"

*MS employee passes out from the spinning*

 

[LeonSPBR]

Só 4K and sub 30 fps then.... really weird choice especially 4K TVs are expensive as fuck.

 

[KZObsessed]

All it does is upscale to 4K? No, I don't think so.

 

[Monty Mole]

#creativechatter

Seriously sounds like spin. 4k wouldn't need the CPU update

He's just trying to push the Xbox One S and stop peeps from waiting.

I'm still unclear why they really unveiled Scorpio at this point.

Regardless, with Scorpio's specs there's a clear performance advantage that isn't going to go to waste. And this statement also contradicts the idea of them unveiling early to allow developers more time to see what they want to do with the additional horsepower.

 

[SimplyOlivia]

This is so stupid, every time I hear something about the Scorpio I get less and less interested.

Why not just use the extra horsepower to make 1080p look a hell of a lot better? We could be having 1080p at high/ultra settings with amazing graphical fidelity at a locked 60 and that would be worth the price of admission for the Scorpio but this is pointless why have average graphics and still be stuck at around 30 to 60 fps just to have 4k resolution.

Hopefully it's just PR BS.

 

[Footos22]

It's like saying you can't use PS4/X1 if you have a 720p TV!

No its not , He is just saying you just wont see a difference unless you have a 4k tv.

 

[FantasticMrSnake]

This, that doesn't make any sense, if the game is not caped at 30fps it should run way smoother.

 

[blastprocessor]

So the only benefit is resolution and there will be little progress to actually forwarding visuals?

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

Well it surely depends on what devs make out of it. They should add a switch between:
a) Xbox One version but in 4K (same effects, AF etc...)
b) Xbox One version but in Full HD, better framerate and better effects

Exactly. I recall a article where MS had said it was all up to the developer. This is a strange turnaround.

 

[liquidtmd]

Telling console buyers they need to buy a new 4k TV otherwise their product won't benefit them?

The crowd they seem to want surely would already be kitted out with PC rigs that can handle all the games MS announced handily during E3 for PC

 

[Wind's Howling]

Will hard pass then.

4K sets are insanely expensive. With a decent TV and Scorpio, it will cost at least £800-£1000 to get set up, not including games or additional hardware for the TV like speakers which can raise the price even more.

At that point just build a far more powerful PC.

Not to mention that a lot of underpriced 4K sets have terrible gaming performance in terms of ms.

I find it weird. Shouldn't games specifically designed for 4K not give a benefit when you drop in resolution? That's how PC gaming used to work for me in the past. Why shouldn't it work on the Scorpio?

 

[Confused Cheeseburger]

Wait, so Neo's benefits extend to higher visual detail and better frame rate in addition to 4k upscaling, but Scorpio is 4k output or bust? What even the hell?

 

[Tristax]

Man Phil really messed that up. Obviously it's going to do something for non-4K owners, the specs demand that to be true. Feel like he was talking in such a narrow context here.

Of course everyone is taking a single snippet and making it all encompassing. Stop jumping to conclusions all, you're smarter than this.

 

[doemaaan]

Really confused right now. I need some confirmation.

 

[soco]

Would it kill MS to put all their execs/PR people in a room and coach them them on exactly what to say when interviewed? At least then they'd be consistent.

gaf gaming would be so boring.

 

[goonergaz]

So no better frame-rates or a consistent 1080p...just 4k?

lol

 

[mike4001_]

I will wait and see.

At least everything will be 1080p with Scorpio and no more 720/900 games.

And if it´s open for developers then I really expect to see some 1080/60

 

[The God]

But if they wanted to keep people from waiting for Scorpio and to buy the One S, why the fuck did they reveal Scorpio this early?

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

So XB1S is (aiming) for 1080p games and the Scorpio is for 4K games. I have no idea what the Scorpio will cost but lets assume it is £150-200 more than the XB1S which looks like it will cost £300. On top of that £450-500 I would need to pay another £300-400 for a 4K TV? No way!

I think Sony might actually be OK with the Neo if they get it out early next year. PS4 to rival the XB1 at 1080p and the Neo to give performance/visual boost while still at 1080p. Scorpio comes out later in the year then Sony bring out their 4K PS5.

 

[qualitydisc]

Just an observer here, but it sounds like spin to get people on the fence to buy an Xbox One S instead of waiting 18 months.

 

[SenkiDala]

This just makes no sense to me.

How about they try for a stable, fast and incredibly good looking 1080p before they start messing around with 4k?

Also, if you're going this route anyway, different consoles within the same generation with games running on different hardware - why then wouldn't you make it so that the game adjusts to what kind of TV you have? High framerate for 1080p sets, high resolution for the 4k sets?

Because people are shitting on the XO since it released because 720/900p games and are just talking about 1080p, 1080p, 1080p. So hey let's make games at 4K. Whatever how the game looks, it's 4K...

They don't want again that people say about Xbox "hey your console run games on a shitty resolution"...

But yeah that's pretty dumb for me, 4K in the mass marking isn't a thing at all (and it still won't be by the end of 2017), so it's wasting time & money... Who will buy a console "at a premium price" just for that... not a lot of people.

 

[madmackem]

Aye - and in 6 months time? a year?

Unless my tf dies I've got zero intention or money to buy a new set anytime soon. This is dumb as fuck and has killed my hype.

 

[nekkid]

There's definitely an air of 2013 with this mixed messaging regarding both the S and Scorpio.

 

[oti]

This makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Business]

Sounds really feasible well done Phil.

 

[Aztechnology]

Yea this makes absolutely no sense considering their move to support PC gaming and the platform being pretty much the same. I just don't see them forcing 4k parallel FPS to the Xbone. Or forcing down-sampling at lower framerates for 1080p users. It just doesn't make sense.

 

[gofreak]

This could be a narrative opportunity for Sony at least with Neo. Release something earlier that's 'plenty enough' for rich 1080p - a more relevant target - a similar tack to the 360vsPS3 narrative back in the day. Even if it latterly MS's narrative changes once Scorpio is out and they may not want to worry so much about the original machine.

 

[Yaari]

Considering some versions of games don't even hit a stable 1080/60, I don't see how this would not benefit other people with a TV less than 4k, too.

But yeah, they still need to sell their other console. They are too far behind to have people want to sit it out until the Scorpio.

 

[SprachBrooks]

Quite a stupid comment to be honest.. and really a waste of sales.
Are they really "mandating" 4K rez? Didn´t they learn anything by forcing 720p debacle on 360?

Meh, every console manufacturer should mandate a native output resolution and 30fps. They're just too pussy to do it, sadly.

 

[El_Chino]

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I'm not gonna buy into any of this PR/Marketing until closer to launch.

This probably more to not scare away potential customers from buying the One S.

Just an observer here, but it sounds like spin to get people on the fence to buy an Xbox One S instead of waiting 18 months.

Read my mind.

 

[SlipperyFishes]

Maybe its more akin to the difference between CRT and HDTV where the former couldn't render the detail the Xbox 360 provided. I would imagine the detail from 4K would be washed out on 1080p.

 

[Pungza]

Aren't the benefits of Xbox One S 4K media and HDR. Why say get that instead if you don't have 4K TV, and cant benefit

 

[crinale]

This is what happens when you annouoce successor product way too early..

 

[ChryZ]

Why wouldn't you utilize the unused power when rendering below 4K?! Pretty stupid if true, especially for a "software company". There are so many options to burn through those dormant resources: better picture quality (improved filtering, down-sampling, more expensive anti-aliasing, etc), higher frame-rate, etc. Well, at least the system would run cool and almost silent while being underutilized

 

[EekumBokum]

I absolutely don't believe that the only difference is gonna be resolution, the differences will be a result of what the developers do with it. Idk why he said this.

 

[kyser73]

Aka pure BS

I think people also forget this is right before 1170/80 launch (half a year) so theres no point in buying it if the premium is notably higher, especially if you have no 4k tv.

PCs arent pricey to build anymore.

For a lot of places outside 'MURCA!YEAH!!! they are.

I could buy 4 PS4s for the amount it costs to build a high spec gaming PC here in Australia.

 

[nOoblet16]

This basically means Xbox One visuals at 4K rather than improved visuals at 1080P...seems like a waste right now.
The extra power goes towards pushing more pixels rather than improving the quality of the pixels.

 

[Caayn]

No offense but downsampling from 4K to 1080p definitely has an effect for people still on 1080p screens.

 

[kiguel182]

It seems that every E3 I'm more confused about stuff after the conferences end.

I'll just stick with my PS4 and will install Windows 10 when I buy a new laptop eventually for the games I can't get there.

I'm still tempted for the Xbox S for the cross save and just being in the same ecosystem for all my games but no increased performance is a bit of a bummer and this message seems a bit confusing.

I'll just wait and see I guess. Until then I have plenty of games to play as it is.

This E3 was still pretty disappointing for me. Oh well.