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US 'hate list' DJ to sue Britain
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Mr. E. Yis
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The U.S. has a huge no-entry list, and has had it for many years, way before 9/11. And many on the list are on it for more stupid reasons than this. Too many hypocrites talking about so called 'freedom of speech'.
SpoonyBard
Banned
sonarrat said:
Explain this one:
"In April 2009, the US authorites refused to allow an Air France flight from Paris to Mexico to cross US airspace because it was carrying journalist Hernando Calvo Ospina who has critised the role of the United States in Latin America"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ght-carrying-no-fly-journalist-to-Mexico.html
You're slightly wrong, actually. It's a no-fly list, not a no-entry list (although that is one of the consequences). The stupidity of the no-fly list is that EVEN CITIZENS WITHIN THE US who are on the list cannot board an airplane. There's also no way to verify whether you are on the list, why you are on the list, and limited means to extract yourself from said list.Mr. E. Yis said:
iapetus said:
I'm curious: does your definition of free speech include or exclude threats of violence and such?KHarvey16 said:
You both seem to view this as a binary "with it or against it" issue, but in reality freedom of speech has never been absolute; every nation has limitations on it in some way or another. And I don't think most people who generally support freedom of speech will agree with the notion that it should be legal for a person to say or write to someone "I'm going to kill you next week".
I think banning people from countries based on their viewpoints, even if they include discrimination, is a bad thing, and I think it's an example of the type of freedom of speech that needs to be protected. But I also think freedom of speech is a much more nuanced issue than your speaking in absolutes makes it out to be.
Fusebox said:
It's fair to take shots @ the Qua'ran now?
Great that means the Bible is fair game to?
Such a heavily edited and outright changed text isn't it?
I find the heavy contradictions good for a few chuckles myself....
Savage is a piece of shit!
How dare you shit on kids with disabilities you fat brown toothed shitbag!
still no worse then that whore Palin who has a child w/ downs but still voted against funding a children w/ disabilities act.
Golly G. Whiz, Why do you think Conservatives are dying out?
Personally I applaud the U.K. Government and the U.K. McDonalds....
Not only for banning this dimwit jerkoff but also for turning Halaal!
I also find it ironic that the same folks in this thread complaining about his ban, are the same folks beating their ban batons thirsting for blood to ban forum posters....
Timber said:
The current test used by the supreme court, that of imminent lawless action, seems pretty logical to me. When I say "these types of bans" I mean those banned who don't meet this criteria.
KiNeSiS said:
I'm not sure who is doing this or why, but freedom of speech doesn't extend to private servers on the internet.
BanGy.nz said:
That's not the argument here.
lethial said:
Justify is the wrong word. Allow? It certainly should.
lethial said:
His "crime" is speaking ill of Islam not picketing funerals. Europe has become so terrified of Islam its rather sad.
There are countless people who are real threats who preach violence and destruction of the West who arent listed but an American who said bad words about islam who has never traveled to England before is on the list.
laserbeam said:
the whole purpose of revealing the list for the first time was to show the type of behaviour that is required to enter the country. he wants to stir up shit on the radio and doesnt deserve the privilege of being allowed in. it would be the same if it was anti another minority
I listen to Michael Savage occasionally while I'm driving and I have no problem with this ban. The guy is a racist hatemonger, it goes far beyond hating muslims. He believes all of America's ills are caused by "multiculturalism" and that anyone who isn't a white descendant from europe should be kicked out of the country or killed. He's easily the worst of the right-wing nutters.
Kowak said:
Funny I fail to see many prominent names of people who openly preach the extermination of Jews. I guess the jews should learn suicide bombing etc if they want to be treated with respect.
Savages views on the Koran hurt no one and I feel sorry for UKers no wonder their country is on the fast track to a Big brother State. No one is debating his being a douchebag. The fact is far more dangerous people everyday ACT on their views and escape the list
Sho_Nuff82
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Yeah, those autistic kids really love to live the lie, don't they?
Dolt
laserbeam said:
well its all depends on how many anti-semetic radio hosts are trying to enter the uk and apparently the answer is none for the time period of that list. plus who are the people who ACT that are not on the list? we dont just allow dangerous people into the country, like those russians.
thanks for your concern about the UK becoming a big brother state, i will not sleep safely knowing the state is preventing people who have NO RIGHT to enter the country
Is he actually suing them because they won't let him in? Because the article only says he's suing for defamation and slander, which is a result of him being put on the list. I'm not sure if a country's right to choose who they allow into their country is even the issue here. Just seems like he's suing because he's being compared with Hamas and the like. Ironically, laws against defamation and slander are designed to protect people from free speech.
Lets give an example of why this is horseshit
Anjem Choudhary-
Advocates killing Non Muslims in the UK for being heretics, Openly applauds death of UK Military. Praised the 7/7 Bombing and said it was a Muslims right to defend themselves by any means.
He even states if he was aware of future terrorist attacks in London he would not report them as Muslims cannot cooperate with authorities.
December 2008: Applauded the Mumbai terrorist attacks and continued on that Muslims must fight back against Christmas etc.
Meanwhile he resides in London preaching all this hate and assisting in violent actions.
Suddenly a Radio Jock in the US saying the Koran is a book of violence doesnt seem so bad.
Anjem Choudhary-
Advocates killing Non Muslims in the UK for being heretics, Openly applauds death of UK Military. Praised the 7/7 Bombing and said it was a Muslims right to defend themselves by any means.
He even states if he was aware of future terrorist attacks in London he would not report them as Muslims cannot cooperate with authorities.
December 2008: Applauded the Mumbai terrorist attacks and continued on that Muslims must fight back against Christmas etc.
Meanwhile he resides in London preaching all this hate and assisting in violent actions.
Suddenly a Radio Jock in the US saying the Koran is a book of violence doesnt seem so bad.
Peronthious
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I'll say one thing - he was downright hilarious on Talk Of The Nation yesterday :lol He was already on edge talking with Conan, then a guest got on with a comment for him and he exploded. I fully support him being able to go to the UK, but as one of the callers later said, him promoting his freedom of speech but then refusing to even listen to someone who criticizes him is a bit idiotic.
Kowak said:
They are preventing him from entering the country. They have a specific reason for doing so and it's the things that he has said. If you support the freedom of speech you cannot also support the UK government denying entry to anyone based solely on what they have said.
You're trying awfully hard not to accept this.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
If religious defamation's illegal, (since what he's saying isn't accurate in the least) he's better off not parading around Europe.KHarvey16 said:
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
The suit is apparently for being "linked" to others-- that's assuming that guilt-by-association is a logical thing. Funny (to me) that Savage is being "smeared" by the same tactics he uses.
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