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A scientist and gentleman in the manner of Batman.
Oh please we do the same thing with goddamned baseball, wasting our tax money and legislaturers' time with perjury charges.
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USADA in possession of positive Armstrong samples
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Oh please we do the same thing with goddamned baseball, wasting our tax money and legislaturers' time with perjury charges.
Half and half
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Time to give them trophies back, Lance. It's ova, mang.
How is that proof that it's state sponsored?
He is kind of right. The french have been going after him hard even after retirement. Yet they still can't crack that wonderful layer of protection he has. It's very amusing.
Ninja Scooter
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That's not how it works at all. There's a reason they keep a 2nd sample.
Vicetrailia
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Armstrong gonna get the Marion Jones punishment? Or did he not lie to the feds?
UnluckyKate
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Talk about not letting him go.
They want to take him down.
drugs or not, biked more than any of these guys would do in a life time.
They want to take him down.
drugs or not, biked more than any of these guys would do in a life time.
wsoxfan1214
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This doesn't seem suspicous. Nope. Not at all.
Anyone who is still willing to defend him and call this a witch hunt read what Vivalarazza posted in the other thread.
http://cavalierfc.tumblr.com/post/30172302298/its-not-about-the-bike
It is long but it goes into why Lance being a cheat is not some witch hunt. Dude is a rotten human being who deserves his name being stomped into the ground.
http://cavalierfc.tumblr.com/post/30172302298/its-not-about-the-bike
It is long but it goes into why Lance being a cheat is not some witch hunt. Dude is a rotten human being who deserves his name being stomped into the ground.
Just another part of the conspiracy to destroy an American hero.
But this shows that if you do drugs you won't get away with it, no matter how safe it looks.
wsoxfan1214
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Yes, let's put words in my mouth that I never intended to say. That's a good way to win the argument!
I believe he did it, however, the fact that they suddenly-- not to mention rather conviniently-- have a sample that tested negative the first time that NOW tests positive, is INCREDIBLY suspicious.
Anything else you want to say? Perhaps that I believe Lance Armstrong should replace GI Joe or something to that effect? Or are you done with the idiotic misdirection arguments?
Mammoth Jones
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How old are these samples? How long are they suppose to keep them until they discard them?
Of course they will! It's not like they have an agenda against this one guy. Right?
Of course they will! It's not like they have an agenda against this one guy. Right?
Cmon man. Really?
Even if we had photos of Lance taking shots in the ass with a big needle that says STEROIDS on it, people will say it is shopped. No one seems to have read that article that I posted from Vivalarazza in the other thread which shows that even without a postive test, Lance is as dirty as Pig-Pen from Charlie Brown. We have another positive test now that Lance can't pay to go away but people always want to look up to a "hero".
It's not really suspicious, they didn't even have a test for EPO in the 1999 and 2000 tours. They bust people for samples that previously tested negative all the time.
They caught 5 Beijing Olympic and 5 Athens winners that tested negatively in 2008 and 2004 with a new EPO test in 2012. This was in July of this year:
http://nz.sports.yahoo.com/rugby/news/article/-/14247902/ioc-investigates-possible-athens-doping/
Mammoth Jones
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That in itself isn't proof.
Killa Sasa
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If that blog post is true, Lance Armstrong is basically Hans Sprungfeld.
Lance Armstrong tested positive for being a dickdouche, money grubbing cheater.
Neil Armstrong tested positive for The Right Stuff.
So if he does get his Tour wins stripped of him, who gets them instead? I'm assuming the top half of the racers were all doping as well, so are they going to keep going down the line until they find someone who was clean, or will they just call it a wash and say there were no winners for those seven years?
Everyone else has already been convicted.
It'll probably go to the first French guy on the list who wasn't absolutely notorious for doping.
If officials awarded Lance Armstrong's 2005 Tour De France title to the next fastest finisher who has never been linked to doping, they'd have to give it to the 23rd place finisher.
Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/yz52l/til_if_officials_awarded_lance_armstrongs_2005/
LiquidMetal14
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Holy shit, what a read. Damning and I can't (who am I kidding, it's type A bully tactics) believe this shit was let go for so long. His stuff for cancer, God bless him for that but all this drug business slanders him to hell and back. It's very disappointing.
Oh, come on. It's a huge difference when a country is cheating for their athletes and when a private individual does it for himself.
US Postal Services was the main sponsor of Armstrong's team so the US paid for his doping.
That is BS. Cadel Evans came in 7th that year and aside from a stupid, baseless rumour has never been linked to doping. Aside from that, this would also exclude people who got caught in the past and then came back. Criminals still have rights after they get out of prison, cheaters should too.
Holy shit.
This was a good read, thanks.
I've been on the fence about this, but this seems like a point to the "its a witch hunt" crowd.
Its a witch hunt because 21 others behind him have been busted?
People who claim its a witch hunt are people who just take Lance's word as gospel of "I have never failed a drug test*"
* excluding tests that I have had dismissed after the fact based off of dubious evidence.
It's so corrupt because the prize is worth so god damn much. If the Super Bowl was so globally praised, I imagine they'd step up the same type of procedures too.
People seem to think cycling is such a laugh of a sport but I don't see no NFL represented in the Olympics.
The sport itself isn't corrupt, especially if you put some faith into garmin's efforts with vaughters in charge.
Cycling is going through a huge reform. What's important about Armstrong's case is that it also starts to implicate the corruption of the UCI. No idea what it could mean but out of the majority of big sports, cycling is one that is actively trying to clean up the competition.
Although that may just be mostly the uci's doing to cover up their shit with lance.
The case is more important than 'everyone is doing it.'
Cycling is going through a huge reform. What's important about Armstrong's case is that it also starts to implicate the corruption of the UCI. No idea what it could mean but out of the majority of big sports, cycling is one that is actively trying to clean up the competition.
Although that may just be mostly the uci's doing to cover up their shit with lance.
The case is more important than 'everyone is doing it.'
Thats not remotely the same thing.
If you're clean they can run an infinite battery of tests and you are not inconvenienced in any way.
They introduced the biological passport in 2008 (after Lance retired). It's supposed to be able to catch people more easily.
Because we know 50% of the riders are clean unlike other sports where no real tests are done.
i_am_ben
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It really is. Although I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on Wiggins and Froome....
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