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USB Type C is a big deal
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Jzero
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It's been dead. USB standards always last longer.
You must have some really old devices. I bought my motherboard a few years ago and it already had it.
BeatResetsTheWorld
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I thought I was the only person who had to try 3 times
*tries, wrong direction*
*flips, wrong direction still*
*flips again, now goes in*
Jzero
Member
Consumers don't give a shit about specs. They want stuff that works on anything. It being a USB standard means its going to be on every device. Most people don't care what the best or fastest standard is. Just look at all the people who are going to preorder the overpriced (for its specs) new macboook.
There's really no reason they couldn't have 6 hdmi ports on a TV right now that doesn't also apply to USB type-C. They do it because it's one of the ways they can differentiate high end from low end products with minimal extra cost and that's not going to change.
And HDCP is going to continue to hamstring the quality of video devices, same as it's been doing all these years.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
I'm waiting to see if it's handled better than USB 3.0 was.
"LOL nothing works without three specific chipsets!!!!"
Best standard ever.
USB C has been cooking a long time, maybe someone convinced Apple to adopt it along the line but it's pretty much based off the work of an entire industry as a whole.
I love Thunderbolt and what it can do, but it was clear nobody was going to go whole hog on Thunderbolt or USB3 (USB3 support is so bad that El Gato figured out how to do HD video capture over USB2 just so people could actually use it) .
C is basically rolling in most of the ideas of Thunderbolt with a compromise on speed. Thunderbolt has always been too expensive to implement due to the requirement that every Tbolt port support all of the Tbolt features, USB C makes certain features optional, lowering the cost of entry for anyone to put it on their device.
I hope it catches on, but everyone is fighting for a standard cable that there are so many standards at times, especially working in a small local IT store.
Every day there's someone who doesn't know what they want but they expect me to know off by heart what cable they need for their laptop to plug into "x random device".
Quite a lot of people get frustrated they don't know what they want and expect me to read minds.
Every day there's someone who doesn't know what they want but they expect me to know off by heart what cable they need for their laptop to plug into "x random device".
Quite a lot of people get frustrated they don't know what they want and expect me to read minds.
jts
...hate me...
This is more reversible than Lightning because ultimately you will have double ended cables, no deciding which end goes where. Kind of a big deal, but to be honest I'll hold to some micro-USB stuff I have like speakers or cameras, for many years.
Wonder if Sony will update the DS4 or if that's just the DS5.
In that sense, can Apple be an important backer if they don't bring it over to iDevices? Doubting a bit that myself. But I have some confidence in Tim to kill Lightning. Please.
Wonder if Sony will update the DS4 or if that's just the DS5.
In that sense, can Apple be an important backer if they don't bring it over to iDevices? Doubting a bit that myself. But I have some confidence in Tim to kill Lightning. Please.
Personally, I think Apple is going to go over to C on the iDevices, if not this year, next year.
There's really no point into holding onto Lightning when the turnover and quick obsoletion rate of iPhones means everyone is going to have to have a new suite of accessories and so on in a couple of years anyway. It's not like everyone has jumped over to Lightning anyway, most devices that tout iPod/iPhone compatibility are all still using the 32 pin.
Now if everyone switches to USB C, they not only get new iDevice compatibility but also compatibility with.. everything.
Apple has no incentive to dump lightning.
StopMakingSense
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Yeah, i think Apple keeps lightning on iDevices, eventually transitions all Macs to USB-C, only keeping Thunderbolt only on the Mac Pro, Macbook Pro, and iMac.
They had no incentive to dump Firewire, either.
They still did. It's a different ballgame now. Connectors/connectivity iterates much faster.
I still imagine Thunderbolt will remain on the Pro line. I think Lightning is done as a side-branch of that connector, though.
I was wondering if this could replace Lightning, and someone actually already wrote a piece exploring the idea:
http://9to5mac.com/2015/03/10/usb-c...htning-and-micro-usb-specs-and-apples-future/
While Lightning is still smaller, I think iPhones would be better off being a tiny bit thicker anyway (mostly to fit more battery).
http://9to5mac.com/2015/03/10/usb-c...htning-and-micro-usb-specs-and-apples-future/
While Lightning is still smaller, I think iPhones would be better off being a tiny bit thicker anyway (mostly to fit more battery).
Looking forward to using this in the near future. Hopefully the SP4 has at least one of these.
Does this mean Video Input could become a thing on laptops or will we still be limited to Video Out?
It's used on their new Macbook.
Does this mean Video Input could become a thing on laptops or will we still be limited to Video Out?
It's used on their new Macbook.
They just put it in the Macbook...
entremet
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And apparently developed it if rumors are to be believed.
Jzero
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Hahahahahahahah 😂
First roll back to open standards in well over 10 years. Good.
entremet
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Someone posted that in the second page of this thread.
It's not outlandish. Apple has already developed 3 I/O formats--Firewire, Thunderbolt, and Lightning.
They also easily have the resources to do so without much harm due to their R/D budget, unlike other PC manufacturers.
Randomizer123454444
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I'm sure USB-C has good technical specifications. I'm just kind of worried that whatever USB-C device I buy now will be unable to connect to anything when Apple inevitably creates a new kind of port few years from now. I'm still using my almost 10 year old USB external hard drive. There is a real danger that the USB-C thumb drive will not be able to connect any latest device 5 years from now on.
USB 3.0 for example supports USB 2.0 devices, without the need for adapters. I'm all for creating new standards, just please, please make them backwards compatible without the need for adapters.
USB 3.0 for example supports USB 2.0 devices, without the need for adapters. I'm all for creating new standards, just please, please make them backwards compatible without the need for adapters.
Napoleonthechimp
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This seems likely.
USB works differently from something like thunderbolt, which is why you get inconsistent speeds with the former and consistent speeds with the latter. That might not be an issue with most applications but for some pro users it can be. Firewire differed from USB in the same way but USB ended up eventually being faster even with the overhead, but thunderbolt on the other hand is looking to be increasingly faster with each generation.
They probably had input into the development, but they won't be solely responsible for it.
entremet
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Yeah. It's a rumor. So will never know. However, we do know they're supporting it.
Napoleonthechimp
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It should be backwards compatible with the right cable, but it'll still only operate at USB 3.0 speeds (at least the ones in the new macbook). So... does that make it USB 3.0? *shrugs*
We do know. Intel contributed 24 engineers, Apple 18, Microsoft 16, Google 10, HP 6 and Dell 5. So they played a significant role but they didn't solely develop it.
StopMakingSense
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USB-C supports USB 3.1.
LoveCake
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In the EU I'm sure that there is a law or ruling that all devices must use a common connector like we had with SCART, from a certain date, due to every time you upgraded your phone you had to get all new charging equipment.
Thus I don't think Apple has a choice if they want to sell products in the EU.
Napoleonthechimp
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I'm referring to the ones in the new macbook which are capped at usb 3.0 speeds.
StopMakingSense
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All Apple had to do for that was provide an adaptor.
They got anti trust sued over the chargers multiple times and just paid the huge fine whilst saying yolo
No 3.1 drives yet.
I don't think we'll ever see it as the main connector on iPhones though. Proprietary accessories are a huge cash cow for them.
I mean it's not like Apple laptops have never had a USB port before.
Ah I hadn't heard about this. Could definitely throw a stick in those plans.
...Unless this is true >_>>>
Not too different as to how it works now AFAIK. Thunderbolt requires special cables even if the plug is physically compatible with Displayport.
jts
...hate me...
I don't understand why the EU doesn't force Apple's hand more though. That 2011 decision was ridiculous. Apple got away with simply manufacturing a Lightning to USB adapter, almost as expensive as Lightning cable, and it's not even included in the box.
It literally changed nothing.
As an iPhone 5 user (and 5 years on iPhone) with a terrible battery life, finding myself depleted of battery everywhere, having micro-USB would help massively in effectively increasing its autonomy. It doesn't help that 2 of my Lightning cables broke so now I just share a single cable with my SO, and fuck buying more. Expensive and poor quality. And unsharable with my other devices.
This is not rocket science. If every phone can benefit from the same pool of chargers, everyone wins. If everybody can buy an inexpensive non-proprietary charger, everyone wins. The potential applications are so good. Cars, charging stations, docks, etc. But the main point is: one cable and connector for the future. It connects and charges everything, including your MacBook. But not your iPhone?
It literally changed nothing.
As an iPhone 5 user (and 5 years on iPhone) with a terrible battery life, finding myself depleted of battery everywhere, having micro-USB would help massively in effectively increasing its autonomy. It doesn't help that 2 of my Lightning cables broke so now I just share a single cable with my SO, and fuck buying more. Expensive and poor quality. And unsharable with my other devices.
This is not rocket science. If every phone can benefit from the same pool of chargers, everyone wins. If everybody can buy an inexpensive non-proprietary charger, everyone wins. The potential applications are so good. Cars, charging stations, docks, etc. But the main point is: one cable and connector for the future. It connects and charges everything, including your MacBook. But not your iPhone?
Jzero
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Adata should actually be releasing some soon. Their products aren't that good though.
Funky Papa
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It is. Common charger regulations are one of the main reasons why the industry transitioned so fast from having a crapload of different plugs (including miniUSB) to straight microUSB. Apple gets around by offering an adaptor for all its European devices.
Napoleonthechimp
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For portable computers like the macbook we'll likely only get true USB 3.1 when skylake arrives. Along with that we'll also get thunderbolt 3 - which also comes with a smaller connector and double the speed.
The latter is irrelevant to most people which is why I suspect Apple (for example) will only include it in the Pro models.
Phrozenflame500
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Wasn't aware of these, pretty exciting indeed.
It's funny that this has come up, I was at an expo earlier this week that had phone charging stations with the Apple chargers and microUSB plugs for Android phones. I realized then that each manufacturer doesn't use different plugs like they did just a few years ago and wondered why that was. Now I know!
Frankfurter
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