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Valve announces a new portable, Steam Deck
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You can treat developing for a console just like it's a PC. You can't do the other way around - so while it 'can' be the same, it's a choice on the developer part, not a given fact.
But regardless of how you treat it - developing for PC vs 'one' console platform, is simply more expensive. So there's always that.
Also no fixed targets makes optimizations a really cumbersome process, but that's a whole different story.
The comments in this thread. Folks must have NINTENDO stock. This is a spectacular black eye for them. Could this flop, possibly. I don't see it especially at 399. I can't count the number of times I've taken my SWITCH with me while mumbling "I'd rather be playing Baldurs Gate 3." Hell you can run CITRA on this thing.
Lack of storage? It has twice the storage of the SWITCH and an expansion slot for ridiculously cheap cards. Storage isn't even close to an issue here.
Why would you need to "jail break" anything? You can do whatever you want to the thing out of the box.
Lack of storage? It has twice the storage of the SWITCH and an expansion slot for ridiculously cheap cards. Storage isn't even close to an issue here.
Why would you need to "jail break" anything? You can do whatever you want to the thing out of the box.
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junguler
Banned
there is nothing to jail break from, steam os is based on arch linux which is free and open source software.
supernova8
Banned
I mean it's effectively a Switch but it will be able to run the vast majority (ie 99%) of PC games off Steam (or wherever you like I guess), with far better framerates (relatively) than what you can achieve on Switch. Hell, you could probably emulate Switch and get better performance than the real deal.
All that AND you can probably run it as a regular desktop PC (if you connect a monitor, keyboard and mouse) if you so choose.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I am interested in it, but I don't think there is enough power for me to want to really jump in at launch.
Also, great that there is even more chips for TSMC to make.....RIP every console, device trying to get allocation this year...fucking mess!
SUBSTRATE OUT MY ASS!
Also, great that there is even more chips for TSMC to make.....RIP every console, device trying to get allocation this year...fucking mess!
SUBSTRATE OUT MY ASS!
Twinguistics
Member
Wow, my 1660ti laptop runs plenty of games on high or ultra almost always above 60 FPS.
That's crazy. I have no idea how it's not going to be hotter than the sun but I trust the cooling is just top end.
Whitecrow
Banned
Then it becomes too expensive for the lack of power?
CandyCrushSagat
Member
You go?
tommib
Banned
Storage is an issue when people are saying that you can install Windows and whatnot. Windows alone has a footprint of at least 40 gigabytes.
Compared to what? It will be tough finding a decent gaming laptop for under $649, and this thing will be significantly faster than any current AMD APU, because it's RDNA 2 and is not completely starved for memory bandwidth.
Whitecrow
Banned
You complaining about the comments in this thread, and you still compare this with internal storage to the Swicth that have cards. WELL DONE SIR.
tassletine
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I don't think so.
Unless Valve are willing to spend as much as Nintendo on advertising then it won't sell as well. We're talking years of investment here.
Most people aren't exactly excited by the term PC, Apple users especially.
The name absolutely sucks and is designed to appeal to users of Steam only. A service which doesn't have the greatest reputation.
My personal thoughts on the matter are I might get one at £350 but asking £570 is too much. And I think Valve knows very well that most PC owners will know instinctively that they will need the higher priced model.
Add weight, unknown fan noise/ heat / poor battery life for graphically intense titles and it doesn't look very promising.
Then add the fact that it looks like a Switch (so there's no novelty value ) and Valve are a company that tend to ignore their customers, and you've probably got something akin to a brick in a few years.
Unless the reviews are stellar I don't see this going anywhere.
jufonuk
not tag worthy
Wow valve took all this time to learn how to count to three. Maybe a few other threes coming to steam deck ?
Twinblade
Member
Okayyyyyyyy
SaturnSaturn
Member
Its amazing how tech illiterate people on here are, this thing will be great in terms of handheld performance. Its not even up for debate
Farawayfromhell
Member
Wow, unexpected!
If I have some money left over, I'll give it to myself for Christmas.
If I have some money left over, I'll give it to myself for Christmas.
Spec wise the closest is probably the Ryzen 3 5300G, it's a quad core SMT Zen 3 with a Vega 8 so it kinda matches this.
There are differences though, the TDP on this is lower so clocks will also be lower, this is RDNA 2 instead of GCN so it's much newer but the advantages will probably be mitigated with the lower clocks which will even out and there is a lot more memory bandwidth which is where the Vega 8 usually stalls harder.
But my bet is that it's in the same ballpark, but a bit faster. Keep in mind that the screen is 1280x800, so it's not a lot of pixels to push.
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LordBlodgett
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Those are some sweet specs in a handheld. Quad core/8 thread zen 2 CPU and approximately 2 TF of GPU power, with an NVME SSD. For $529 this thing is a monster.
Fess
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The more I look at it the better it seems.
Main concern: How is Windows 10 or 11 on a small 720p screen? How much can you increase text size and icons? Is there support for touch interfaces? Big picture modes?
How much storage do you need? I had a 256GB SSD as my C drive on my previous PC and it was always full, only had a few games installed.
64GB, does it even work? Lots of games are bigger than that and you need the OS too.
Main concern: How is Windows 10 or 11 on a small 720p screen? How much can you increase text size and icons? Is there support for touch interfaces? Big picture modes?
How much storage do you need? I had a 256GB SSD as my C drive on my previous PC and it was always full, only had a few games installed.
64GB, does it even work? Lots of games are bigger than that and you need the OS too.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
It uses Valve's Proton, which allows many native Windows apps/games to run on Linux (not an emulator, it's a fork of WINE if I am not mistaken). So most games should run on it (most games with anti-cheat software will still have issues, as most do with Linux), but I'd be cautious in expecting all of them to, despite what Valve claims, until we can see whatever version of Proton is running on this thing when it ships.
Edit: I should point out, that if they supply Windows drivers for all of the hardware, like the trackpads, then nothing is stopping a person from installing Windows on it and running everything while enjoying all the device has to offer
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Fess
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Can't run everything but more than I expected, Linux gaming is getting better. I still see a Windows install as a necessity. I understand what Valve is doing but I think they would carve out a bigger piece of the market for this thing if they had Windows preinstalled, out of the box it's now a Linux enthusiast portable.
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Thesuffering79
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This is gonna fail. Nearly 700g is too much weight for continuous play. Hell even the Wii U controller was too much at 500g. Its like almost double the Switch weight.
Sean Mirrsen
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Steam Play Proton (or just Proton) is a Valve-developed compatibility layer for Linux, which allows Windows games to run on Linux with no native versions necessary. At its best (i.e. for 'whitelisted' games) it allows a Linux user to buy and play Windows-only games on Steam, as if they were native Linux, with no performance loss or, occasionally, with better performance. The vast majority of tested games (75% as of now) rate "Gold" or higher or ProtonDB.com, which means they can be played through to the end, with at worst minor glitches or some performance loss.
Valve has also promised a big update for Proton to roll out ahead of the Deck's launch, bringing with it many more improvements to compatibility, chief among them being multiplayer games running BattlEye or EasyAntiCheat protection (which do not work at the moment).
So it's not going to be ALL games, in all likelihood. But with any luck, upwards of 80% of any given Steam library is going to be playable out of the box.
junguler
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not all but the majority, steam has something called proton on linux which uses wine, dxvk and some technical wizardry to translate directx api calls to vulkan hence running the games that are directx only on linux. you can check protondb for a list of games that works, if it's platinum or gold rated the experience is almost identical to gaming on windows.
the only major issue is anti cheat software, easy anti cheat specially, altho it has support for linux games and games like doom eternal use it the support needs to be added in game by game basis and pretty much by developers themselves, there is nothing that steam can do about these currently.
JCK75
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I'm starting to get really interested in this little thingy but the analog sticks look really uncomfortable, I mean look at this:
The person playing in their ad loses the grip of the left analog stick. Or am I missing something?
They knew most gamers would understand this is a woman and women don't know how to play games (I'm only 10% serious)
Sean Mirrsen
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It's a PC, so... maybe? Somebody would have to experiment once it's out. Dualbooting Linux and Windows is technically possible, I'm just not sure of the particular aspects of the process. Plus you'd be double-murdering the limited onboard storage.
DavidGzz
Member
Ugh, well I guess it will be my Elden Ring device. No D2: Resurrected or D4 later is a bummer, would have been awesome to have that in portable form.
Sean Mirrsen
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In an ideal world, this device would suddenly succeed and sell a couple million units, prompting the likes of Blizzard to actually start looking into Linux versions of their games. Or at least trying to ensure Proton compatibility, since that's much easier.
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Sentenza
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It's more or less four times more powerful than a Switch and the cheapest model is 50 bucks more than the last model Nintendo just released.
it's fine to not be interested in this type of device in general (handhelds aren't really my thing either) but whoever is questioning the value of this hardware at the offered price point is borderline retarded.
Mr Branding
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Maybe it's because he actually likes Nintendo since competition makes you better?
back to 720p gaming then... i guess we cant have battery just powerfull enough to make like proper portable console/pc with good specs. 4 cores ...AMD APU.. well ok
there must be tons of those size portable pc out there allready i think . just nobody talks about them so much
there must be tons of those size portable pc out there allready i think . just nobody talks about them so much
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BobbyColtrane
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i had a razer edge and loved it, but i travelled a lot for work then. it was cool to use it as an tablet, still have windows, and be able to sync an xbox controller, play games at medium settings, sync headphones, etc. i would prefer this was a tablet form and the controllers detached.
i have no use for one of these anymore but it might be great as an entry point to pc gaming for some people.
if you were bitching about the Switch OLED specs its time to pre-order and either put up or shut up lol.
i have no use for one of these anymore but it might be great as an entry point to pc gaming for some people.
if you were bitching about the Switch OLED specs its time to pre-order and either put up or shut up lol.
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Elysion
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Do we know on what process this thing is being made? If it's 7nm, then it's likely that an eventual Switch successor will be made on the same process (since 7nm should be very mature by then), which means that the next Switch might have similar specs. A Switch with these specs + DLSS might actually be able to run a decent number of PS5/XBS games.
Though I wonder about RAM bandwith. This thing only has DDR5, is that enough to handle modern games at 800p?
Though I wonder about RAM bandwith. This thing only has DDR5, is that enough to handle modern games at 800p?
