That's the impression I got from the last Blizzcon. I believe it started as a map for Starcraft II but it sure seems they are turning into something more.
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Valve, Blizzard Reach DOTA Trademark Agreement (Valve uses name, Blizzard doesn't)
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That's the impression I got from the last Blizzcon. I believe it started as a map for Starcraft II but it sure seems they are turning into something more.
The cynic in me can't help but think Valve had to agree to some compensations to reach this settlement. Useless speculation of course but maybe Activision now gets a better deal with Steam distribution, then again that wouldn't fit my other assumptions that Activision PC games will eventually move to Battle.net.
But fuck that cynic in me for now, I will just think Blizzard values its reputation too much to have a dirty fight in court over something they never really owned.
So Thumbs up Blizzard and in a weird way I'm happier about buying Diablo 3 now.
But fuck that cynic in me for now, I will just think Blizzard values its reputation too much to have a dirty fight in court over something they never really owned.
So Thumbs up Blizzard and in a weird way I'm happier about buying Diablo 3 now.
It was originally a mod for Starcraft 2, but it has expanded into a standalone game. I think it is going to be free, but I don't know if there actually any plan to monetize it.
Presumably to remove the legal uncertainty
polyh3dron
Banned
Not before Nintendo sues Sony for it.
Never heard that one before. It was supposed to be a free SC2 "add-on" wasn't it?
Considering how much money (and, up until this afternoon, legal effort) they were putting into it I wouldn't be surprised if they were planning on monetizing it in some way or other.
EDIT: To clarify, that's just speculation.
Interfectum
Gold Member
They are (were?) going to monetize it F2P style I thought...
The Lamonster
Member
Great! I hated seeing two of my favorite devs fighting each other.
Doing some quick googling I found this about Blizzard DOTA being made more into a standalone product:
http://www.joystiq.com/2011/10/25/blizzard-dota-coming-soon-to-a-new-platform-called-blizzard-arc/
http://www.joystiq.com/2011/10/25/blizzard-dota-coming-soon-to-a-new-platform-called-blizzard-arc/
So we're not going to have the fiery Blizzard vs. Valve legal battle royale that GAF wanted, awesome 
No bad guys here folks, you can continue liking both companies. I think it figures both companies would come to an understanding, since they clearly have reverence for each other.
Granted, I do think "Blizzard All-Stars" is a bit of a cheese-tastic name. But hey, "Blizzard DOTA" was a pretty awkward title to begin with.
No bad guys here folks, you can continue liking both companies. I think it figures both companies would come to an understanding, since they clearly have reverence for each other. Granted, I do think "Blizzard All-Stars" is a bit of a cheese-tastic name. But hey, "Blizzard DOTA" was a pretty awkward title to begin with.
Then Nintendo will sue Sony for using the name "All Stars." Such is the circle of life.
Edit: Beaten
butter_stick
Banned
This is pretty fucked up. The idea Valve have more right to a name that is based on a Blizzard product, even if indirectly, is kinda shady. When I look at Dota 2 all I see is what looks like Blizzard style characters.
SafeinSound
Member
Boom
I H8 Memes
Member
Sounds to me like Valve got everything they wanted and Blizzard abandoned the name.
The Lamonster
Member
He's gonna go play DOTA.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
That was the article!
Some interesting tidbits:
This sounds great. I'm happy they're trying something different instead of just another MOBA.
Good to see this is now official.
People started speculating since "© 2012 Valve Corporation, all rights reserved. Dota and the Dota logo are trademarks and/or registered trademarks of Valve Corporation." was listed on the new dota 2 international site for their big tournament.
People started speculating since "© 2012 Valve Corporation, all rights reserved. Dota and the Dota logo are trademarks and/or registered trademarks of Valve Corporation." was listed on the new dota 2 international site for their big tournament.
I take it most people don't realize the Japanese name of Smash 64 was "Nintendo All-Stars! Great Melee Smash Brothers"
Also, "Dairantou" translates to both Melee and Brawl. This is why in Japan, the GC and Wii games are "Dairantou Smash Brothers DX" and "Dairantou Smash Brothers X"
Blizzard has several times in the past claimed ownership over all mods made by players for their games. This includes not just warcraft and starcraft custom maps, but also any lua script written for wow addons. Even by players who don't own WoW, have never agreed to any blizzard ToS, and didn't use any blizzard tools or libraries. They threatened to sue anybody who attempted to sell their wow addon, since it was actually property of blizzard.
So fuck them. Out of pure spite I wish valve had sued them into oblivion over this. As if blizzard has any claim at all to anything made by the mod community. Fuckers.
So fuck them. Out of pure spite I wish valve had sued them into oblivion over this. As if blizzard has any claim at all to anything made by the mod community. Fuckers.
butter_stick
Banned
Gamers would have won if Valve couldn't just use a name they didn't create for commercial gain, and instead had to make a great game to get attention.
Why isn't it Valve All Stars?
Well, because it doesn't feature any Valve characters, it features Dota Characters. And Dota All Stars is a separate trade mark dispute that even Icefrog didn't want to deal with back in the day (There is a reason Dota All Stars is now just Dota)
butter_stick
Banned
My point is at Valve should have created their own game, not just grabbed a game they had nothing to do with and decided they retroactively own it.
They hired the person who owned it.
undu
Member
DotA9s creator, Eul, and the current mantainer for years, Icefrog, are working for Valve, I don't think the conclusion is shady at all.
and Valve does? I don't see how you can bitch about Blizzard in this when Valve was the one monitizing the name.
Either way I think this was a reasonable solution for the trademark.
bigtroyjon
Member
lol, you don't know the details of the agreement, how can you say Valve won
If there was no dispute now where Blizzard took action to secure that mods for their games could still be called "Dota" in the future Valve would be easily able to take control of the IP.
Valve rewarded modders that make successful games. I see no problem with this.
butter_stick has been playing this tune for quite a long time now. He knows that and doesn't care.
I feel ya mon.
butter_stick
Banned
I'm well aware of the specifics. But the DOTA name has such convoluted origins than saying any company can own it commercially seems questionable to me. In an ideal world neither company would be releasing a "DOTA" game.
I H8 Memes
Member
Should Valve sue everybody that added a zombie mode to their multiplayer fps? These modes got big as a CS mod.
Yes. They do.
They have no legs to stand on. They have zero claim to the name. None. Why give them any money at all?
Funny, the BF and I were talking about the future of DayZ today at breakfast, and the conversation turned to Valve, and our admiration for their support of mod makers, within and outside of their community. Different strokes, I guess...