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[Pseudo_Sam]

I like how the OP admits it's propaganda.

That dude who was literally just punching the cow in the face was a dick, though, I'll give you that.

 

[Adam J.]

These videos always break my heart, yet I still cant stop eating these poor creatures...Damn biological urge.

 

[thespot84]

So as to fully observe the ideal of minimizing one's environmental impact? A little melodramatic, but sure.

Sure it is melodramatic, and I definitely don't actually condone the deaths of anyone (yes it's a joke), but it's taking the philosophy to it's logical conclusion. It's just my typical response to militant veganism (no haven't watched the OP).

 

[NullPointer]

Eat meat without guilt. But we can do so much better than modern factory farming methods.

I'd prefer we had more respect for life and our own health at the cost of higher priced meat.

 

[thespot84]

^^ What he said.

 

[PalaceAthene]

I'm human.

That means that I don't regret eating meat.

I feel no remorse om nom.

 

[DonMigs85]

These videos always break my heart, yet I still cant stop eating these poor creatures...Damn biological urge.

Nothing wrong with eating them, they just need to cut down on the abusive treatment and impose stricter regulations.

 

[Poona]

I had no idea James Cromwell was a vegan.

He's been out there more often supporting various animal causes (mostly pig based) since Babe.

Anyway in reply to the OP (or anyone else) if you want to watch a video really about pretty much all animals look up 'Earthlings'. See how you feel after that. It is narrated by Joaquin Phoenix. It can be either watched online for free or purchased on DVD from here:

http://www.earthlings.com

 

[Pristine_Condition]

looks clean and sterile,I'll give you that. but its also looks like the smallest possible cages with the highest amount of chicken put into them. i think it is disgusting to force a life form to live in such unnormal circumstances

"Unnormal" circumstances?

My family humanely raises heritage breed ducks now, which work in our large organic veggie and berry garden, foraging pests, weeding, and providing us with eggs and meat, but we used to raise chickens before we moved to our new place. At max, we'd have around 15 hens at any one time, which free-ranged in tractors (which is basically a fence on wheels, so predators wouldn't eat them alive) on a 5 acre plot of pasture land. Their main run was a mobile tractor with a wheeled coop, approx. 28'x15'. That's a lot of room for just 15 hens, and it moved from spot-to-spot daily.

So obviously we didn't raise our hens that way, and obviously our animals have a pretty damn pastoral, wonderful life, but I've got no problem with the hens shown in that picture being raised like that either.

Why not? Because the more you know about the bird, the more you know it's not cruel.

See, when the hens would get down to business, even though they had tons of free space everywhere, they'd always go into their coop, and into tiny 1'x1'x1' cubes to lay their eggs. It's natural for them to do that. Often there would be two hens squeezed into the same cube, even even though there were plenty of empty cubes. It's like a nest, and it is part of their instinct to lay in a confined space where they are comfortable that they wont be pounced upon by a predator while they are so vulnerable. You cannot underestimate how vulnerable to predators laying hens are, and how hard-wired into their instinct this vulnerability is. Hens also instinctually know their eggs are vulnerable, not just from predators, but also for the fact that other chickens, roosters and hens alike, may sometimes get a "taste" for eggs too, and may attempt to eat the eggs. (A farmer always has to monitor this problem.) When they are in a small space, with other hens, they feel safe from predators, and they feel the place is a safe place to lay, too.

Furthermore, hens are designed by nature to be able to literally not move from one spot for literally weeks at a time. This is what naturally happens when hens get "broody" -- they REALLY don't want to do anything or go anywhere. They will get upset to the point of almost suicide if you try to make them move. Nature has created the hen with this behavior in mind, so they don't physically need to "stretch their legs" or whatever you or I would desire to do.

Please don't take offense, but I think you need to actually take the time to get to know the species of animal you are talking about before making judgements on what is "unnatural" or not. Hens are not humans. They require different things. Their natural instincts are different. You cannot anthropomorphize livestock and achieve any real sense of the true nature of the animal.

 

[Ducks]

I'll never understand the hatred towards vegetarians. It's a choice, guys. Just because it isn't for you doesn't mean it's supporters are inferior fools. It's like saying anyone who drinks, plays sports or something is an idiot. It's one part of your life.

(I'm not a vegetarian)

 

[wordballoon]

I'll never understand the hatred towards vegetarians. It's a choice, guys. Just because it isn't for you doesn't mean it's supporters are inferior fools. It's like saying anyone who drinks, plays sports or something is an idiot. It's one part of your life.

(I'm not a vegetarian)

Yeah, still wondering why exactly people are so offended by others not choosing to consume animal products. And to the guy complaining about vegans somehow raising the cost of meat, he should take into consideration how much grain it takes to feed a cow, and how many humans that could feed instead. Your choice shouldn't be at the cost of another's life, human or non-human.

 

[BertramCooper]

"Unnormal" circumstances?

My family humanely raises heritage breed ducks now, which work in our large organic veggie and berry garden, foraging pests, weeding, and providing us with eggs and meat, but we used to raise chickens before we moved to our new place. At max, we'd have around 15 hens at any one time, which free-ranged in tractors (which is basically a fence on wheels, so predators wouldn't eat them alive) on a 5 acre plot of pasture land. Their main run was a mobile tractor with a wheeled coop, approx. 28'x15'. That's a lot of room for just 15 hens, and it moved from spot-to-spot daily.

So obviously we didn't raise our hens that way, and obviously our animals have a pretty damn pastoral, wonderful life, but I've got no problem with the hens shown in that picture being raised like that either.

Why not? Because the more you know about the bird, the more you know it's not cruel.

See, when the hens would get down to business, even though they had tons of free space everywhere, they'd always go into their coop, and into tiny 1'x1'x1' cubes to lay their eggs. It's natural for them to do that. Often there would be two hens squeezed into the same cube, even even though there were plenty of empty cubes. It's like a nest, and it is part of their instinct to lay in a confined space where they are comfortable that they wont be pounced upon by a predator while they are so vulnerable. You cannot underestimate how vulnerable to predators laying hens are, and how hard-wired into their instinct this vulnerability is. Hens also instinctually know their eggs are vulnerable, not just from predators, but also for the fact that other chickens, roosters and hens alike, may sometimes get a "taste" for eggs too, and may attempt to eat the eggs. (A farmer always has to monitor this problem.) When they are in a small space, with other hens, they feel safe from predators, and they feel the place is a safe place to lay, too.

Furthermore, hens are designed by nature to be able to literally not move from one spot for literally weeks at a time. This is what naturally happens when hens get "broody" -- they REALLY don't want to do anything or go anywhere. They will get upset to the point of almost suicide if you try to make them move. Nature has created the hen with this behavior in mind, so they don't physically need to "stretch their legs" or whatever you or I would desire to do.

Please don't take offense, but I think you need to actually take the time to get to know the species of animal you are talking about before making judgements on what is "unnatural" or not. Hens are not humans. They require different things. Their natural instincts are different. You cannot anthropomorphize livestock and achieve any real sense of the true nature of the animal.

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

"Unnormal" circumstances?

My family humanely raises heritage breed ducks now, which work in our large organic veggie and berry garden, foraging pests, weeding, and providing us with eggs and meat, but we used to raise chickens before we moved to our new place. At max, we'd have around 15 hens at any one time, which free-ranged in tractors (which is basically a fence on wheels, so predators wouldn't eat them alive) on a 5 acre plot of pasture land. Their main run was a mobile tractor with a wheeled coop, approx. 28'x15'. That's a lot of room for just 15 hens, and it moved from spot-to-spot daily.

So obviously we didn't raise our hens that way, and obviously our animals have a pretty damn pastoral, wonderful life, but I've got no problem with the hens shown in that picture being raised like that either.

Why not? Because the more you know about the bird, the more you know it's not cruel.

See, when the hens would get down to business, even though they had tons of free space everywhere, they'd always go into their coop, and into tiny 1'x1'x1' cubes to lay their eggs. It's natural for them to do that. Often there would be two hens squeezed into the same cube, even even though there were plenty of empty cubes. It's like a nest, and it is part of their instinct to lay in a confined space where they are comfortable that they wont be pounced upon by a predator while they are so vulnerable. You cannot underestimate how vulnerable to predators laying hens are, and how hard-wired into their instinct this vulnerability is. Hens also instinctually know their eggs are vulnerable, not just from predators, but also for the fact that other chickens, roosters and hens alike, may sometimes get a "taste" for eggs too, and may attempt to eat the eggs. (A farmer always has to monitor this problem.) When they are in a small space, with other hens, they feel safe from predators, and they feel the place is a safe place to lay, too.

Furthermore, hens are designed by nature to be able to literally not move from one spot for literally weeks at a time. This is what naturally happens when hens get "broody" -- they REALLY don't want to do anything or go anywhere. They will get upset to the point of almost suicide if you try to make them move. Nature has created the hen with this behavior in mind, so they don't physically need to "stretch their legs" or whatever you or I would desire to do.

Please don't take offense, but I think you need to actually take the time to get to know the species of animal you are talking about before making judgements on what is "unnatural" or not. Hens are not humans. They require different things. Their natural instincts are different. You cannot anthropomorphize livestock and achieve any real sense of the true nature of the animal.

You know, that is an interesting post.

When we test drugs on animals, we often subject them to what is called an open field test. Basically, we place the animal in a large barren chamber and then monitor for: exploration, defecation, resistance to capture, freezing, time to emerge from their starting location, and thigmotaxia (tendency to stay near walls due to their natural fear of open spaces). Animals with increased anxiety tend to stay near the walls, resist capture more, defecate more, and explore much less. It interests me, but does not surprise me, that hens are similar to rats in certain ways .

Hogs are very aggressive, opportunistic eaters that will eat anything. And by anything, I mean ANYTHING, including their own waste and their own offspring.

Hence the expression, "greedy as a pig"

 

[Pristine_Condition]

This goes to my point exactly. To a human, this picture looks awesome. To a hen, this picture is probably more uncomfortable than the picture of the "factory" egg farm. A hen in this field has to watch out for:

wild dogs,
wolves,
coyotes,
raccoons,
snakes,
skunks,
foxes,
opossums,
wild cats,
bears
hawks, (from the air)
eagles, (from the air)
and owls (from the air)

...all of which they are completely defenseless against, or almost completely defenseless against, unless there's a rooster or goose around, which may help, but likely won't help at all.

That's why you can't anthropomorphize livestock. This looks awesome to us, but those hens are jittery as fuck, believe me. And the ones that aren't are the first ones to be eaten alive by a predator.

And you don't want to see what a raccoon or an opossum will do to a hen...trust me. It ain't Disneyland. And they don't even eat 90% of what they kill.

 

[mantidor]

I didn't see it completely but the video kept mentioning the "painful suffocation by using monoxide", which I don't get at all, isn't suffocation by monoxide one of the less painful deaths?

Anyway, as shocking as it was, stopping eating meat just because of it seems too extreme.

These animals are grown only to be killed and eaten. It's not "nature."

I think ants grow animals in their nests, they sometimes use their own as food storage.

Which brings a point that many vegans and eco-friendly people seem to forget, but nature is pretty cruel by itself, if a pig could eat you it would do it. While I'm all for not treating animals as the video showed, thinking of these animals as if they were people is just going over the top, chickens can't be traumatized by being confined in tiny spaces, their brains simply don't have the capacity to be traumatized, they only "think" of eating and breeding.

We are meat eaters, we evolved to do so, the unnatural thing is actually to not eat meat.

 

[Verdre]

...all of which they are completely defenseless against, or almost completely defenseless against, unless there's a rooster or goose around, which may help, but likely won't help at all.
.

This. Freaking roosters.
My rooster's answer to people other than me: SPUR! *flee*
My rooster's answer dogs, cats, and anything else on earth: omg run!

 

[state-of-the-art]

I notice that topics about vegans/vegetarianism always exceed 10 pages, just like religion threads always do. There seems to one of either of these every week.

 

[BertramCooper]

It's important for people to realize the true motivation of groups like Mercy for Animals and the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS). These groups are not interested in making lives better for farm animals. They are vehemently opposed to the very notion of animal agriculture and no form of it will ever be acceptable to them.

Their primary goal is to pass laws and ballot initiatives that will put farmers out of business. In 2008, Californians passed an HSUS-backed ballot initiative that outlawed cages for laying hens. Transitioning your entire operation is incredibly expensive, and many egg farmers in California went out of business as a result. It's pretty much decimated the California egg industry, which was HSUS' primary goal.

So basically, what these animal rights groups are doing is targeting operations essential to farmers, running smear campaigns against them and then passing legislation and/or ballot initiatives to outlaw them.

It's scary stuff.

 

[wordballoon]

It's important for people to realize the true motivation of groups like Mercy for Animals and the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS). These groups are not interested in making lives better for farm animals. They are vehemently opposed to the very notion of animal agriculture and no form of it will ever be acceptable to them.

If you don't believe in the commodification and/or imposed suffering of animals on principle, like these organizations claim not to, then why exactly would you ever be satisfied with any form of animal agriculture?

Money made on blood is money that you don't deserve. And this goes far beyond the animal agriculture business, and into almost every aspect of capitalism, and the culture that's come with it. Most people just shed their, "morals", in order to make money. And we have an entire culture based on being apathetic of the disgusting things we all do.

Why exactly do we need to drive a car to the grocery store, when it's two blocks away?

And why think about donating to a charity, or volunteering, when you can buy terrible junk food that will give you heart disease, become a bane to the medical system, and stop others from being helped?

Etc.

 

[daffy]

Had to hit close tab at the pig testicle plucking. I admire vagitarians though, they have strong will and passion for change. Is the saying that being vegan is more expensive true? I'm already poor enough as is.

 

[BertramCooper]

Money made on blood is money that you don't deserve.

You're the type of person who is so fucking insane that you're not even worth trying to persuade.

I have no interest in trying to convince you because you're incapable of reason. You have absolutely no experience in agriculture yet you're so fucking convinced that farmers are evil, savage slavemasters.

My father has worked his ass off his entire life to take care of our animals. And morons like yourself have the audacity to tell him that he doesn't deserve the money he makes. Fuck you, dude.

 

[thespot84]

It's too bad we can't eat vitriol

 

[Parallax]

You're the type of person who is so fucking insane that you're not even worth trying to persuade.

I have no interest in trying to convince you because you're incapable of reason. You have absolutely no experience in agriculture yet you're so fucking convinced that farmers are evil, savage slavemasters.

My father has worked his ass off his entire life to take care of our animals. And morons like yourself have the audacity to tell him that he doesn't deserve the money he makes. Fuck you, dude.

agreed. after raising livestock, i have a great respect for those who do it properly. its kinda depressing that people like to brand all farmers with a broad stroke.

 

[Trike]

I watched the whole video this morning. It was terrible, but it didn't make me want to disown meat. These places just need to be regulated or something, so crazy assholes don't punch calves to death.

Had to hit close tab at the pig testicle plucking. I admire vagitarians though, they have strong will and passion for change. Is the saying that being vegan is more expensive true? I'm already poor enough as is.

That is such a gloriously terrible typo, and I applaud you for it. I am not try to be the spelling police or anything, but it sounds awesome. Vagitarians. Vagina only diet?

 

[BertramCooper]

I watched the whole video this morning. It was terrible, but it didn't make me want to disown meat. These places just need to be regulated or something, so crazy assholes don't punch calves to death.

That particular guy is sitting in a jail cell right now, as he should be.

 

[styl3s]

You sound like you like a five year old with a tantrum...such a selfish and basic attitude....humans are fucked if more people think like you...and good riddance to those who do I suppose. Like the world is a fruit to pick, a rather boring materialistic attitude. I too enjoy good food (and am a good cook), music, and exploring the world sorrounding me, but it is a too way process. I attempt to give something back and lessen my impact on others (be they human or not)

I am not a vegetarian, and unlikely to become one. I, however, do respect those who are, and think it is often an ethical decision that requires some restraint. I prefer to eat food caught or hunted, and strongly desire that I should not eat any meat from farm factories.

The quality of meat that most in the western world consumed is absolutely rubbish...I don't even like the taste of most of it. Better to eat a lesser amount of high quality, than the swill most commonly consumed

You sound like a bitter ass hurt person, if you don't like my opinion tough shit, sorry i don't spend 10 hours a day weeping over worthless cows or chickens who were put on this earth to eat.

 

[AdventureRacing]

Yeah, still wondering why exactly people are so offended by others not choosing to consume animal products. And to the guy complaining about vegans somehow raising the cost of meat, he should take into consideration how much grain it takes to feed a cow, and how many humans that could feed instead. Your choice shouldn't be at the cost of another's life, human or non-human.

I have no problem at all with vegatarians. My problem is with people who try and tell people who eat meat that we are inherently bad.

It appears as though you fit that category.

Edit:

Love all the unwarranted douchebag comments. But when it comes to a subject like this one, I don't expect any else from gaf. Analogically, it's as if the OP is talking about a charity, and the rest of gaf answers with "lol, I'm gonna steal stuff to compensate!".

No, I'm not a vegetarian myself, and I do think that meat is an important part of the human's diet. But I don't see how people raising the issue that eating certain meat has consequences have to be answered with a bunch of douchebag replies.

Because you acknowledge that the mass consumption of meat, especially when it comes with horrible treatment of animals, the environment, and sometimes even people, raises serious ethical questions, doesn't mean you have to go live in a tree and eat sticks and grass to not be a hypocrite.

I have no problem with the line of thought that we should be preventing the ill treatment of animals.

My problem is when someone makes a video like the one in this thread which is completely misleading. They then make a completely illogical jump to the conculsion that we should all stop eating meat because a handful of farmers do the wrong thing.

Why goes GAF have an irrational hatred of vegetarianism/veganism? Why do people feel the need to lash out and act spitefully? I swear, in every one of these threads you get at least one or two pages full of replies like "IMMA EAT A BURGER CAUSE OF THIS" "man i dun just give a fuck" "meat's too tasty" etc. etc.

Did either of you even watch the video? Its pure propaganda. Furthermore the incidents in this video do not cover every single farmer.

You don't have to force everyone to be vegetarian to prevent the ill treatment of animals.

People respond that way because they don't appreciate some shitty propaganda video trying to convert us to vegetarians. They are basically treating us like idiots and people don't like that.

On a simple moralistic argument basis, there's absolutely no reason to eat meat other than self-satisfaction.

What a load of shit. You make it sound like eating meat is worthless to the body which is just ridiculous.

When you look at it from a broader perspective, vegetarianism becomes even more appealing, benefitting social health and welfare, the economy, etc. But you see the same "rational self-interest" being displayed and regurgitated again and again and again...

Honestly if you're going to make a claim like this back it up. Do you have any evidence to actually that this is true?

If not you are simply making things up to support your point of view.

life is too short guys, live it to the fullest! make sure to eat lots of bacon, sub water with soda (not that diet crap), also CHEESECAKES! forget about fruits and veggie, they're disgusting.
just lots and lots of sugar and animal fat.

Again this is the sort of illogical thinking that i don't like. How the hell is eating animal meat a completely natural product the same as drinking soda?

Where is the evidence that eating meat is somehow bad for your body?

I also love the way you try and link eating meat (something we have been doing since we first existed) to the modern day unhealthy diet. It makes no sense.

Not to mention the implication that people who aren't vegetarians don't eat fruit or veges. I would argue that people with the most wholesome balanced diets do in fact eat meat.

 

[Freshmaker]

Yeah, still wondering why exactly people are so offended by others not choosing to consume animal products. And to the guy complaining about vegans somehow raising the cost of meat, he should take into consideration how much grain it takes to feed a cow, and how many humans that could feed instead. Your choice shouldn't be at the cost of another's life, human or non-human.

The preaching. It's the sanctimonious fact broken preaching.

Vegans are healthier. No.
Eating meat causes human suffering. No.
All life is inviolable. No.

 

[KHarvey16]

Balloon's position can only be either trolling or a false dichotomy.

 

[Pristine_Condition]

This. Freaking roosters.
My rooster's answer to people other than me: SPUR! *flee*
My rooster's answer dogs, cats, and anything else on earth: omg run!

LOL

Still, it's not too bad. It's not like it's a crazy aggro goose!

 

[triplestation]

Thats big industry meat. You need grass fed animals that used to roam free and run around.

 

[wordballoon]

Eating meat causes human suffering. No.
All life is inviolable. No.

No life is inviolable, we just choose to violate some and not others, there's no natural law saying I can't break into your house and rape your kids. I just don't, because I don't have the right to place that kind of suffering on them, and neither you to a cow, or a goat, etc.

Also, non-human suffering exists too. I'm sorry you aren't capable of empathy.

 

[Ducks]

Did either of you even watch the video? Its pure propaganda. Furthermore the incidents in this video do not cover every single farmer.

You don't have to force everyone to be vegetarian to prevent the ill treatment of animals.

People respond that way because they don't appreciate some shitty propaganda video trying to convert us to vegetarians. They are basically treating us like idiots and people don't like that.

I'm only speaking for myself here, but for me the issue in these threads isn't attacks on the video. It is propaganda. I don't think many people here would deny that. My problem is the subsequent attacks towards any and all people who support or live a vegetarian lifestyle. I have family members and friends who are vegetarians, none of whom are idiots, lesser humans or ignorant assholes who preach about inhumane animal treatment all the time.

When I enter these threads (and I don't know why I do at this point) it's inevitable that a large net will be cast about all vegetarians, with comments like "vegetarians are fucking retarded", "all vegans are militant assholes" or pictures of meat to just throw it in their faces.

 

[wordballoon]

You're the type of person who is so fucking insane that you're not even worth trying to persuade.

I have no interest in trying to convince you because you're incapable of reason. You have absolutely no experience in agriculture yet you're so fucking convinced that farmers are evil, savage slavemasters.

My father has worked his ass off his entire life to take care of our animals. And morons like yourself have the audacity to tell him that he doesn't deserve the money he makes. Fuck you, dude.

And I haven't had experience in Auschwitz either, but yes, I'm sure Nazi Guards were kind as well.

When I enter these threads (and I don't know why I do at this point) it's inevitable that a large net will be cast about all vegetarians, with comments like "vegetarians are fucking retarded", "all vegans are militant assholes" or pictures of meat to just throw it in their faces.

^And don't forget, "oh that cow looks so tasty" and other assorted catchphrases.

 

[KHarvey16]

And I haven't had experience in Auschwitz either, but yes, I'm sure Nazi Guards were kind as well.

If other animals had your sense of self preservation we wouldn't need to have this thread.

 

[The Holstein of Venice]

Congrats on being a veg? i could care less about where it comes from, how its made, what happens to the cows and chickens blah blah blah i have seen it all

You only live once and life is short, i am going to enjoy life by eating great things and they can blow all the smoke up your ass about living a longer healthier life you can get hit by a car tomorrow but if you wanna spend the rest of your life limited to non-meat good for you but i won't, im gonna spend my limited time on earth enjoying the foods, drinks, entertainment and everything the world has to offer being a veg is just the one of the most absurd things ever IMO i don't know why people do it, but then again i dont know why hundreds of millions believe in the bible and every word in it and that evolution didn't happen.

Use the period key, young padawan.

 

[wordballoon]

If other animals had your sense of self preservation we wouldn't need to have this thread.

Humans have increased sentience, I could make a bullshit Yoda quote, but you already know where this is going.

 

[edornob]

WOULD

 

[Parallax]

And I haven't had experience in Auschwitz either, but yes, I'm sure Nazi Guards were kind as well.

so youre comparing farmers to nazi guards at auschwitz? absolutely amazing

I always feel if reincarnation and hell coexisted, then we would be reincarnated as those animals being slaughtered.

so then what? the animals we slaughter comes back as humans, and devour us, and the cycle begins again? that would make them no better than us.

 

[edornob]

WOULD

 

[Parallax]

i dont believe spiritual reincarnation was a part of the circle of life

 

[zoukka]

You sound like a bitter ass hurt person, if you don't like my opinion tough shit, sorry i don't spend 10 hours a day weeping over worthless cows or chickens who were put on this earth to eat.

Here we have a shining specimen of a corporation propaganda bred human. Keep being awesome.

 

[daffy]

Use the period key, young padawan.

Hahaha that quote is amazing, I laughed reading it.

 

[AdventureRacing]

^And don't forget, "oh that cow looks so tasty" and other assorted catchphrases.

People see a stupid propaganda video and respond in kind? What the hell did you expect.

Also how the hell is saying "oh that cow looks tasty" an attack on vegetarians?

I'm only speaking for myself here, but for me the issue in these threads isn't attacks on the video. It is propaganda. I don't think many people here would deny that. My problem is the subsequent attacks towards any and all people who support or live a vegetarian lifestyle. I have family members and friends who are vegetarians, none of whom are idiots, lesser humans or ignorant assholes who preach about inhumane animal treatment all the time.

When I enter these threads (and I don't know why I do at this point) it's inevitable that a large net will be cast about all vegetarians, with comments like "vegetarians are fucking retarded", "all vegans are militant assholes" or pictures of meat to just throw it in their faces.

There is no point sitting here discussing hypothetical people making hypothetical comments. I haven't read pretty much any of what you're describing in this thread.

The only thing i have seen people post is stuff like "im going to have a meat burger for dinner" etc. The reason people are posting stuff like that is because of the nature and intent of the video in the OP.

I don't see how thats any worse than the people who are suggesting that anyone who eats meat is immoral, unhealthy and simply lacks any sort of empathy.

The thread title even says that its a propaganda video, how did you expect people to react?

 

[alphaNoid]

I once found myself cornered by a vegan at work. He was thumping his agenda on me because I was chompin some In N Out. I was trying to just tell him thats what a hamburgers all about but he wasn't havin' it. Eventually I took solace in telling him that every time I needed 1 burger, I'd order 2 and null out his agenda.

He told me he was going to report me to HR. I told him I was going back for seconds. Never heard from him again lol.

note : I respect vegans and veggies alike, so long as you respect me. Just like anything else, keep your agenda to yourself.. its a personal choice. Plenty of room on this rock for all of us.

 

[Ducks]

People see a stupid propaganda video and respond in kind? What the hell did you expect.

Also how the hell is saying "oh that cow looks tasty" an attack on vegetarians?



There is no point sitting here discussing hypothetical people making hypothetical comments. I haven't read pretty much any of what you're describing in this thread.

The only thing i have seen people post is stuff like "im going to have a meat burger for dinner" etc. The reason people are posting stuff like that is because of the nature and intent of the video in the OP.

I don't see how thats any worse than the people who are suggesting that anyone who eats meat is immoral, unhealthy and simply lacks any sort of empathy.

The thread title even says that its a propaganda video, how did you expect people to react?

I don't feel like picking through the whole thread but here are a few from the last page.

Don't vegans not eat eggs or some shit? Prob the dumbest thing ive ever heard

The only good vegan is a dead vegan.

Spoiler

TBH I haven't read the whole thread, and this discussion might have happened already.

My girlfriend is a vegetarian though I'm a very carnivorous person. She doesn't care and nor do I.

But being a vegan is fucking retarded.

I expect people to react the way they have, but I wish they would react towards the video itself and not the vegetarian lifestyle which does not necessarily support that propaganda.

The "oh that cow looks tasty" comments aren't an attack on vegetarians in normal circumstances, but in some past threads specifically made for vegetarians the same comments are made. I totally understand why most people aren't into it, I'm not even vegetarian myself but why the hate for ALL vegetarians/vegans?

 

[AdventureRacing]

I don't feel like picking through the whole thread but here are a few from the last page.

As i said there is vitirol on both sides but it is still a small minority.

I expect people to react the way they have, but I wish they would react towards the video itself and not the vegetarian lifestyle which does not necessarily support that propaganda.

The "oh that cow looks tasty" comments aren't an attack on vegetarians in normal circumstances, but in some past threads specifically made for vegetarians the same comments are made. I totally understand why most people aren't into it, I'm not even vegetarian myself but why the hate for ALL vegetarians/vegans?

Well i can't really respond to those other threads. In this thread there was a specific reason for those comments.

Also lets be specific. Every post you qouted was regarding vegans not vegetarians. I do tend to consider the idea behind veganism to be a little silly. I also generally find it to be hypocritical, in the case of ethical vegans, because i can guarantee that the vast majority of them use animal products in one way or another that they are unaware of.

 

[dallow_bg]

On literally a whim a few years ago I decided to give up all meat for a month.

Was a bit tough but I made it. After that month passed, I tried 3 months, then half a year, and finally a full year with no meat.

For me, it was very easy after the initial month. I was rarely tempted and saved quite a bit of money. Aside from people constantly pushing meat in my face, it was fine. And I learned to cook so much more.

Back on meat now, but as I stated earlier, all local.

 

[Ducks]

As i said there is vitirol on both sides but it is still a small minority.



Well i can't really respond to those other threads. In this thread there was a specific reason for those comments.

Also lets be specific. Every post you qouted was regarding vegans not vegetarians. I do tend to consider the idea behind veganism to be a little silly. I also generally find it to be hypocritical, in the case of ethical vegans, because i can guarantee that the vast majority of them use animal products in one way or another that they are unaware of.

You have a point, but because of the minority of vegans and the level of extremism that some of them show, their overall lifestyle becomes free game to tear apart in these threads. I just think that it's a simple lifestyle choice that some people enjoy, and does not inherently diminish their character. In these threads, that is not what is represented at all.

 

[AdventureRacing]

You have a point, but because of the minority of vegans and the level of extremism that some of them show, their overall lifestyle becomes free game to tear apart in these threads. I just think that it's a simple lifestyle choice that some people enjoy, and does not inherently diminish their character. In these threads, that is not what is represented at all.

I agree with this. I certainly wouldn't think less of a person because they are vegan. I do agree with you that some of the posts go to far.