GurgleBot20
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I don't know much about this guy's work, but obviously people are better at some genres than others?
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Venturebeat: Our Cuphead runneth over
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FinaruDensetsu
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His analogy doesn't even come close to making sense. Where is any amount of logic there?
ITT: Everything that is wrong with people's attitudes towards the gaming press.
Everyone's a fucking expert gamer here so people writing about them better be fucking good or else.
Or, you know the people could be trained journalists instead who then focus their journalism skills on the gaming industry?
Going by how dumbed down the gaming media had become, where the actual writing of reviews has become almost irrelevant in the sea of video reviews, it's clear people what people prefer, and that's before we get to confirmation bias.
The Gamergate lite stuff in this thread is tiring. It's actually about how good gaming journalists are at games. No worries if you can actually fucking write or use literary criticism properly. No, if you can't master every game the moment you pick up a controller don't even bother.
When your response to someone merely trying a game out and frankly sucking is to then call out their merits as a journalist or worse, you need some serious growing up to do.
Everyone's a fucking expert gamer here so people writing about them better be fucking good or else.
Or, you know the people could be trained journalists instead who then focus their journalism skills on the gaming industry?
Going by how dumbed down the gaming media had become, where the actual writing of reviews has become almost irrelevant in the sea of video reviews, it's clear people what people prefer, and that's before we get to confirmation bias.
The Gamergate lite stuff in this thread is tiring. It's actually about how good gaming journalists are at games. No worries if you can actually fucking write or use literary criticism properly. No, if you can't master every game the moment you pick up a controller don't even bother.
When your response to someone merely trying a game out and frankly sucking is to then call out their merits as a journalist or worse, you need some serious growing up to do.
I didn't know about the gamergater guy until today, what I know about is that this guy has no business being a games journalist.
This isn't about mastering games the moment you pick up the controller. Watch the video. And yes, if someone is failing at the very core concepts of a game with the comprehension level that seems to be that of a 5 year old then yes, I should be able to take into consderation that what he writes about that game is not informative or a useful thing to read in any way.
Not to mention the guy couldn't even get his facts about the devs straight and thought they made Super Meat Boy for some reason. He's shit at being a journalist in general.
Gotdatmoney
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This is the type of stupid shit that embarasses me. Dude posted the video as a joke. It's very obvious. He doesn't loses professional credibility for openly mocking himself on a game he has no intention of reviewing or even actually giving a "real" opinion on.
FinaruDensetsu
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I see a lot of people here aren't familiar with Takahashi's great researched writings on the gaming industry. People questioning his skills as a journalist (I said journalist not a game reviewer) need to fucking educate themselves.
He wasn't even reviewing this game and didn't even say this game was bad. He fully acknowledged that he was the one that was bad at it.
Damn gamer nerds keep your insecurity in check.
He wasn't even reviewing this game and didn't even say this game was bad. He fully acknowledged that he was the one that was bad at it.
Damn gamer nerds keep your insecurity in check.
Niceguydan8
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Read the article.
Read the title of the video.
It is VERY clear that he's self-deprecating.
It's coverage of the game but he makes it very clear that he sucks at the game in the article that released with the video.
I think a fair amount of people aren't reading the article and just going off of the video, which isn't cool in this case. Missing a bunch of context warps the message.
Everyone here thinks the hate and harassment is garbage.
Damn Silly
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Yeah, it was daft at how overblown it got - although I suppose not that surprising when professional dipshit IMC got involved.
At the very most, it should've been something to joke about - like Takahashi himself does - and then forget about with maybe the sole exception being if he was the one reviewing it (which he isn't), and even then, it would depend on the criticisms made.
At the very most, it should've been something to joke about - like Takahashi himself does - and then forget about with maybe the sole exception being if he was the one reviewing it (which he isn't), and even then, it would depend on the criticisms made.
TurnipFritters
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Tertullian
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Oh please. Is "all the people making fun of me are a bunch of dirty alt-right Trump-voters!" the new deflection de jure?
And I can't describe how sick I am of people blatantly misrepresenting the argument about skill. No one is arguing either of the following:
The claim is that game journalists must be at least minimally competent at games. Your elderly uncle is welcome to be transparently incompetent at video games. Someone who holds himself forth as a professional journalist specializing in game-related coverage is not.
And Antonio Salieri doesn't celebrate mediocrity in Amadeus.
And I can't describe how sick I am of people blatantly misrepresenting the argument about skill. No one is arguing either of the following:
- That game journalists must be experts at games.
- That everyone must be at least minimally competent at games.
The claim is that game journalists must be at least minimally competent at games. Your elderly uncle is welcome to be transparently incompetent at video games. Someone who holds himself forth as a professional journalist specializing in game-related coverage is not.
And Antonio Salieri doesn't celebrate mediocrity in Amadeus.
Scientist Supreme!
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This is a great post that's going to get lost in sea of people making fucking dumb analogies.
Primethius
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My view on the entire thing. For the review bit: I think you either need to be able to understand game design in the way you mentioned or be skilled at games to a decent degree in order to communicate effectively with most of the review audience.
Crossing Eden
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I did not know there was even an article at all until a few minutes ago. Not everyone browses the blog, and most people are seeing the video through links to the youtube page, which is how most of this goes usually. I rarely go to the full sites when looking for coverage.
Papo Swing
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The harassment is out of hand, but the journalist should've have some skill if they are to preview/review the game.
It would be a diservice to the game if it get reviewed by someone who gives it a low score before it is too hard for them.
It would be a diservice to the game if it get reviewed by someone who gives it a low score before it is too hard for them.
Wait, he wasnt even actually reviewing the game? Fuck all yall then!
Oh but he cant even figure out how to combo, how can we trust him with any reviews of anything forever? How will I make up my own mind!? He should be fired and sent back to journalism school to find a new hobby because clearly she... I mean HE doesnt pass the test to join OUR club!
my eyes just rolled out of my head
Oh but he cant even figure out how to combo, how can we trust him with any reviews of anything forever? How will I make up my own mind!? He should be fired and sent back to journalism school to find a new hobby because clearly she... I mean HE doesnt pass the test to join OUR club!
my eyes just rolled out of my head
FinaruDensetsu
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That makes no sense. So Geoff Keighley needs to be competent at games when he covers the industry?
No. You need to be competent at journalism and how research is done. Not everyone in gaming journalism is reviewing games.
MatPiscatella
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PhantomThief
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Wow no need to get agressive.
Dude fails to grasp the most basic of concepts even a 10 year old would understand.
He gave Mass Effect a bad score because he didnt understand he could invest skill points.
His opinion on specific videogames is pretty much invalidated.
benicillin
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You realize that he probably is more representative of the general gaming audience than hardcore NeoGAF gamers are, right?
This is such a poor article and even worse explanation. Using morals and unskilled gamers is so low of him.
He's not being criticized for being a bad gamer, he's being criticized for being a video game journalist who posted a video in which he looks like it's the first time he holds a game controller.
To be able to communicate about the game you have to have the minimum skill required to be able to go through that game, I believe.
The shitstorm itself I dont care about, but has a mere spectator of this it feels like Dean it's taking people for fools by trying to hide the real issue here behind another curtain of "gamers are assholes to less skilled gamers".
He's not being criticized for being a bad gamer, he's being criticized for being a video game journalist who posted a video in which he looks like it's the first time he holds a game controller.
To be able to communicate about the game you have to have the minimum skill required to be able to go through that game, I believe.
The shitstorm itself I dont care about, but has a mere spectator of this it feels like Dean it's taking people for fools by trying to hide the real issue here behind another curtain of "gamers are assholes to less skilled gamers".
Interfectum
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The guy who broke the story on faulty 360's shouldn't be considered a games journalist because he sucks at Cuphead. Interesting.
I think the harassment towards Takahashi is inexcusable and I think that IMC is a walking trash bin. I still think ultimately it was a bad idea to post the video, but that in no way means he deserves the shit he's getting for it. I just don't think it's a good video.
I hope this kind of argument isn't getting misconstrued as victim blaming because I'm doing nothing of the sort.
I hope this kind of argument isn't getting misconstrued as victim blaming because I'm doing nothing of the sort.
Honestly, At first i did not know he was with VentureBeat, and assumed that was another source that was covering his bad gameplay because of tge recent implosion.
The guy claims he has been in the industry since the Pong days, has done reviews before.
But because he sucked ONCE means he shouldn't be a journalist?
Really?
Tertullian
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Minimally competent? Obviously. Would you trust a journalist who specialized in automobiles who has trouble putting a car in reverse or driving with an automatic transmission? Would you trust a film reviewer who doesn't know what "cinematography" is? That is the level of competence we're talking about here.
Ok. I understand that some people who write/work in the games industry probably don't have a whole lot of time to play and become competent at videogames, but that doesn't answer why they decided to record him play in the first place.
I don't think it unreasonable to have someone who is showing off a game be somewhat competent at it.
I don't think it unreasonable to have someone who is showing off a game be somewhat competent at it.
FinaruDensetsu
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Sorry was he reviewing cuphead here? Was what I was responding to about gaming journalist or gaming reviewer?
The title of the video was edited after everyone made fun of it for a day or more.
I got to this before seeing it on Gaf. Gaf is surprisingly not my only source of info.
MatPiscatella
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But you responded to the thread, again and again, without reading the basis of the thread.
Sigh.
hurricanes
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He isnt going to damage any of that source code with his bad gaming skill.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
I'm mostly failing to see the need to grandstand here.
A video of someone sucking at Cuphead is not worth a thinkpiece. It's something you may chuckle at if you're into 2D action games. It's not some damning evidence that the state of video game writing is trash, nor is it a launching point to claim that genre familiarity is totally meaningless in games criticism.
Regardless of what the Ant Boys do.
A video of someone sucking at Cuphead is not worth a thinkpiece. It's something you may chuckle at if you're into 2D action games. It's not some damning evidence that the state of video game writing is trash, nor is it a launching point to claim that genre familiarity is totally meaningless in games criticism.
Regardless of what the Ant Boys do.
PopcornMegaphone
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As someone who enjoys games, but isn't particularly good at them I want more perspectives from "normal" gamers. The whole "you just suck at the game" attitude within gaming circles is tiring.
I also think the beginning cuphead tutorial is poorly designed.
I also think the beginning cuphead tutorial is poorly designed.
It sounds like he was the only person on their team at that convention so that would be pretty hard to pull off.
No, no, you don't understand; he also messed up once nine years ago and so he should be barred form journalism forever, clearly.
Papo Swing
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Totally get it, but it is still a diservice and a bad review if you go ahead and give it a low score because you auck at it.
Unless you were talking about the harassmemt part which is always wrong.
FinaruDensetsu
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I got to see the style in which their tutorial is laid out and it's quite cute and quaint.
Even if he passed the part he has trouble with on the first try it would have been no different.
MatPiscatella
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If you read the piece, you'd know that they did it because they thought everyone would have a good laugh at it, that it would be just some fun thing that people would enjoy and just go on with their lives.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
If his level of understanding seems to be that of a 5 year old then yes, really. It's not about sucking. It's about normally realizing that jumping on an enemy hurts you and attempting to do it 10 times anyway.
If you jump against a pillar for 5 minutes like some imbecile then yes, that guy has no business judging gameplay mechanics as a whole. I have no problem with people being bad at videogames. But if you can't even get the very very basics down then how can you talk about that stuff like you know anything about it?
I would trust someone's food critique if he can't cook on the level of those he critiques no problem. I wouldn't trust someone's food critique if he didn't know how to cook noodles.
FinaruDensetsu
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There's a reason everyone is just pointing to the Mass Effect review that one time where he didn't put points in skills.
The man is a journalist not a reviewer. But yeah let's all keep discrediting his journalism chops based on that one time. You know despite him breaking the the Xbox red ring story amongst loads of other stories and actual books he's written on the industry.
The man is a journalist not a reviewer. But yeah let's all keep discrediting his journalism chops based on that one time. You know despite him breaking the the Xbox red ring story amongst loads of other stories and actual books he's written on the industry.
Yeah, and that was my mistake. But thats(not knowing theres an article or that its self deprecation) a mistake pretty much most people are gonna make, because its presented as game coverage more than self deprecation.