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Verge: Microsoft to unleash apps, Retail-dev-kit set for summer.
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gamechanger87
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I'm really interested to see how this goes. The universal app piece is going to be really interesting.
Why do people think MS will aggressively curate out the emulators? Wouldn't a sale of HW here still be a sale to MS?
Why do people think MS will aggressively curate out the emulators? Wouldn't a sale of HW here still be a sale to MS?
Spider_Jerusalem
Member
My Visual Studio is ready.
"Hello World"
The problem might also be who we get the ROMs on our xboxes ...
If they don´t allow acces of the USB ports then we have a problem ;-)
Mine too
I had already lost the faith in the retail consoles to devkit conversion, this is awesome.
They will certainly allow access to USB. Otherwise that would seriously neuter the whole concept. But other than that, OneDrive, Dropbox, NAS, etc.
Because it's absolutely not worth the potential legal trouble. It doesn't matter if an emulator is 100% using open source code and somehow there's zero infringement involved with Microsoft's console running competitor's games. There's still going to be C&D letters and lawsuits, and responding to these things takes time, money, and effort.
The number of lost sales of Xbox One hardware solely attributable to the lack of emulators is going to either be nil or unbelievably small. So from a business perspective, allowing the emulators is absolutely a bad move. They have far more to lose than they have to gain.
It's the same reason you don't see them on the iOS App Store.
gamechanger87
Member
Jagged hits the nail on the head.
I'm really interested to see this new XBO OS. The fact that MS has slowed down the monthly update process makes me think there is a lot coming this summer.
statham
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as was said they allow it on Windows store, and they even allow popcorn-time to be easily streamed to the console. Heres to hoping.
I think Major said the next month's preview is hitting soon on his last podcast.
The Albatross
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Yessss!
Now, Google, release google music for Xbox One.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
This is good news. I wonder what these apps will be.
justsomeguy
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Natural part of the "unified app store" - write once, run on phone, PC and Xbox (i.e. all windows 10 devices).
It would have been a mess. Locking down your platform from the start and opening it up gradually is probably a far better idea when you're still working on maturing and stabilizing your platform.
Does Google have a public API that any dev can use to access Google Music functionality?
gamechanger87
Member
I believe you are on the mobile side right? Have you heard any rumblings about the store?
It's a different context. The legality of emulators is better established on a personal computer/desktop operating system. As such, there's a lot less potential for legal challenges.
However, when you move over to the land of consoles, you risk infringement on something like "television-connected consumer entertainment device for Nintendo games." Even if that silly example patent isn't the case, that's not going to stop companies from trying to litigate.
The ability to run Wii, N64, SNES, etc. games is a key feature and selling point of the Wii. It's something that sells consoles and makes them money per game sale. If you think Nintendo is just going to allow their competitor to offer the same feature (and for free at that since people will be using their own ROMs), you're in for a shock. It doesn't matter if they don't have a single legal leg to stand on - litigation is going to happen anyway.
Microsoft doesn't want to deal with that, I promise you.
Just load them over the network.
sleverfunk
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Nvm
thenewjeva
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That's pretty huge. Maybe I'll end up getting an Xbone this year afterall.
Gabotron ES
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This is BIG news
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JoJo UK
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It would be pretty cool to see some emulators, looking at the Windows Phone Store right now and there are a number of emulators available and by the looks of them they download ROMs from your one drive account. Now if MS become stricter on XB1 than WP8 / W8 is a different story.
I would also like to see KODI on it, I use it over Plex atm.
I would also like to see KODI on it, I use it over Plex atm.
Not that l really think emulators will fly on a home console... but in your previous post you referenced the iPhone. On MS' side Windows Phone also has emulators.
So when this SDK is finally out are we going to have some sort of OT? I know there's quite a few people here who are developers, or at least have some sort of programming knowledge. It would be nice to have one central place where people could talk about their experiences, ask questions etc...
It's such a amusing thing - the idea of the Xbox One having emulator support is exciting. Yet I could very easily change channels on my TV to PC and play on there. I guess it being a streamlined experience changes everything. I'd imagine Nintendo has the most to lose since rereleasing the exactly same game is a source of money for them.
It's surprising that they do, honestly. I just mentioned the iPhone because what I was describing is presumably the logic Apple is using and has been in the spotlight a decent amount, particularly with GBA4iOS.
I wouldn't be surprised if emulators are even possible with this framework. There's no way full performance/hardware acceleration is going to be exposed. Chances are this is going to be fairly high-level and everything is going to be done through provided libraries which are restricted in their abilities.
Final Verdict
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Sounds like the dev kit switch is just for apps right now, but that could change in the future.
TerryLee81
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This is not for games, isn't it? I don't want Flappy Bird etc.
But emulators, this would be nice.
But emulators, this would be nice.
I don't see Xbone emulators besting PC ones in terms of performance and accuracy though. But they might be enough to get the job done, especially on older titles.
gamechanger87
Member
The latter I think is the key. Apps don't have full performance access.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Technically apps could be games.
Would love to work on maybe some kids stuff utilizing kinect. Hopefully we'll get built in API's in the nex VS release for accessing it.
Would depend what you're emulating tbh. I remember running rather serviceable 16bit emulators on a Dreamcast back in the day. I don't think any sort of performance cap is going to made 16bit emulation an issue. I'd assume if something can be done on a phone, chances are it's not going to be a problem within the Xbox One modern app environment.
If they don't surely, someone will.
I know people have created Android streaming apps for Nvidia's solution.
Would be awesome if this happened!
HammerOfThor
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unleash
Makes it sound so intense.
Makes it sound so intense.
Most emulators rely on reasonably low level access to do the things they need to do. For example, the equivalent of this program, the Xbox 360 Indie Games Program/XNA Studio (which no one seems to remember) was pretty restricted. Someone did manage to write an NES emulator for it, but it was pretty basic, wasn't able to make it to the Xbox App Hub, and couldn't do sound support since the XNA framework didn't allow for writing to sound buffers. It's not just about the performance available to you, it's about how you're able to interact with the system.
Everyone who is excited about this needs to do some reading on the Xbox 360 Indie Games Program and the XNA Program. This announcement is just version 2.0 of that. Anyone could use their retail Xbox 360 console to develop and run community games. That did not mean that it was a paradise of emulators, Plex, and XBMC. There's an absolute world of difference between true access to the system and what you get in an official framework like this.
Sorry if it seems like I'm only here to rain on everyone's parade - I'm not. Just trying to manage expectations a bit since people seem to think that this is something that it isn't.
XB1 operates the games through a VM like environment
They can give you full resource without harm... also the method of coding should be basically complete freedom compared to XNA.
"I don't want games, but I want games!"
Considering the state of the Metro appstore.... They would allow illegal app if that made adoption rate grow faster on there.