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Verizon's New York iPhone event |OT| Hell, it's about time

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Man, maybe I'm simply confused and reading stuff wrong but it seems like some people in here want Apple to relent and let Verizon put their shitty "value added" apps and fugly stickers on the iPhone....
 
CrankyJay said:
Okay, but you wouldn't be going from a 3GS so you wouldn't notice those things. :lol

I went from a crappy Samsung Glyde on Verizon to iPhone4 and I love it. I'm hoping by 2012 a Verizon LTE iPhone is available.
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I went from a 3GS to a Droid after my 3GS inexplicably died. In the few times I've used the 4 I had no issues with it, but if I hear it's no good from friends I see no reason to buy one when a new revision is coming out in a few weeks/months
 
Hurricane_Chris said:
Man, maybe I'm simply confused and reading stuff wrong but it seems like some people in here want Apple to relent and let Verizon put their shitty "value added" apps and fugly stickers on the iPhone....
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I think they were joking. We all know how bad they are.
 
jonnybryce said:
So because a company is successful they automatically win and don't need to do anything to remain successful? Apple needs Verizon just as much, if not more, than Verizon needs Apple. It's not about company size or company value. It's about the actual situation in the market and actual options.

Verizon is selling tons of Android phones. Not only is that great for them, it's terrible for Apple. Apple and the iPhone are falling behind in the US as Android grows. Why would Steve want to watch his phone fall by the way side while another OS gets the spotlight (and $$$$)? It's only a matter of time before Android is undeniably huge and developers need to reevaluate their priorities. You don't sit around watching a rival platform get 350k+ activations a day and think "no big deal."

So Apple combats those sales by going to Verizon. They can't go to Sprint, Sprint is too small, has a mediocre reputation and wouldn't be able to handle the traffic. Same for T-Mobile.

Verizon is Apple's only option. The original contract was for 2012 with AT&T. They're breaking it early to respond to the market. Pretty much all of CES was Android, Android phones are selling, they're using more data traffic, they're responding to Apple with cameras and dualcore processors and they've found legitimate fans. Verizon is doing fine without the iPhone. iPhone sales are doing fine but stats show how strong and fast Android is growing. Only silly internet fans would think that kind of growth doesn't raise a red flag to a company who is the maker of something so successful and needs to keep it that way.



Even if you don't agree with this (despite it being pretty clear) you surely are able to see this as a possibility.
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Quoted for undeniable truth
 
aparisi2274 said:
I am curious if Apple will even offer a pre-order on the vzw phone...

I ask because the Apple store is still up and usually we always get the post-it not saying "We'll be right back." So either they are holding off on that as as to not ruin the big vzw reveal, or maybe they just wont offer it on their site, and you have to go to the vzw site or store.
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I'm sure they will. And I'm sure the white iPhone will be on it. And then all those people will freak out when the new iPhone comes out this summer. But at least it'll be on both AT&T and Verizon.
 
I find it entertaining that I have to justify a company who

-is breaking a publicly known exclusivity contract
-positioned their entire desktop strategy on direct competition
-has acknowledged competition with Android plenty of times ("They're trying to kill the iPhone, we won't let them," "We can compete without being rude," "Can your phone on your network do that?," etc)

would do something to, you know...compete at a time where said competition is, to be blunt, booming like fuck.

SuperPac said:
That would make sense if you assume existing customers on Verizon don't want the iPhone and a massive amount of people wouldn't switch to Verizon immediately for the iPhone because of AT&T's poor service reputation.

How many of those Android handsets are being sold to people that would buy an iPhone but don't want to switch to AT&T because the service sucks?

Then, how many subscribers might Verizon stand to gain from people switching away from AT&T once they have the iPhone? I'm going to guess a lot.

If you're CEO of Verizon and the #1 question you get from press, stockholders, customers is "when are you getting the iphone" such that there have been rumors for *years*, you don't say "oh, well, our existing phones are selling just fine we can pass on the iPhone." Turning your back on something your existing customers and potential new customers want does not seem like it would be a good business decision.

Just because Android phones are doing well it does not mean that a carrier is no longer going to want to carry a competing phone platform. I don't see any carriers dropping Blackberries because Androids are doing so well. Or flip phones. They still have those.
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That's definitely true. I don't think Verizon doesn't want the iPhone, I just think they've demonstrated they don't need it (or that they can do very well without it in a world where their largest competitor offers it). At the same time Apple has stockholders and they have concerns as well. If the iPhone dies, their money dies. They need to keep momentum going and take it away from competitors. That's how I see it.

Anyway there's no way to know why Apple does what they does. I'm excited to see what's up in an hour.
 
People seem to think that carriers give a shit about who wins the OS war. Verizon isn’t fighting a proxy battle for Android against Apple, they’re fighting the other carriers.

Ya’ll hear about Verizon paying Apple to not release it on Sprint and T-Mobile? Shit is nasty.
 
As a Canadian where even the flaker brands of the country has the iPhone, I can't help but chuckle at the huge deal that is being made about this.

Congratulations on finally being like everybody else, USA. :D
 
TouchMyBox said:
As a Canadian where even the flaker brands of the country has the iPhone, I can't help but chuckle at the huge deal that is being made about this.

Congratulations on finally being like everybody else, USA. :D
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They still wont be as good as us if they cant buy one unlocked at an apple store. :D
 
TouchMyBox said:
As a Canadian where even the flaker brands of the country has the iPhone, I can't help but chuckle at the huge deal that is being made about this.

Congratulations on finally being like everybody else, USA. :D
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Shaddup America Jr.
 
jonnybryce said:
I find it entertaining that I have to justify a company who

-is breaking a publicly known exclusivity contract
-positioned their entire desktop strategy on direct competition
-has acknowledged competition with Android plenty of times ("They're trying to kill the iPhone, we won't let them," "We can compete without being rude," "Can your phone on your network do that?," etc)

would do something to, you know...compete at a time where said competition is, to be blunt, booming like fuck.



That's definitely true. I don't think Verizon doesn't want the iPhone, I just think they've demonstrated they don't need it (or that they can do very well without it in a world where their largest competitor offers it). At the same time Apple has stockholders and they have concerns as well. If the iPhone dies, their money dies. They need to keep momentum going and take it away from competitors. That's how I see it.

Anyway there's no way to know why Apple does what they does. I'm excited to see what's up in an hour.
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Contracts cannot be broken just like that. We have no idea how the contract reads or if the contract was re-negotiated. Your assertion is pure, baseless speculation.
 
Charred Greyface said:
Verizon Strikes Out in Smartphones




N92



Ergo Apple and Verizon need each other.


You said "any", I'm pretty sure Nokia sold unlocked smartphones without carrier branding before the iPhone came out. Although their market penetration was so low that it's probable nobody actually saw those phones in the wild.
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So, this article shows that right after iPhone 4 came out, iPhone sales increased significantly? Why is that surprising? What are the sales like over a longer period?
 
LCfiner said:
They still wont be as good as us if they cant buy one unlocked at an apple store. :D
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I just hope that the end of exclusivity in the states means that the iPhone eventually comes to T-Mobile USA. I want AWS support in the iPhone so I can actually use one on my network (wind mobile)
 
jonnybryce said:
That's definitely true. I don't think Verizon doesn't want the iPhone, I just think they've demonstrated they don't need it (or that they can do very well without it in a world where their largest competitor offers it). At the same time Apple has stockholders and they have concerns as well. If the iPhone dies, their money dies. They need to keep momentum going and take it away from competitors. That's how I see it.
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That's the thing. They're just 'doing very well' against a competitor where the service via the most popular device on their largest competitor is universally considered *terrible*. Both Verizon and Apple have a lot to gain from this deal. I'd almost say Verizon has more to gain than Apple, but it's close. :)
 
TouchMyBox said:
As a Canadian where even the flaker brands of the country has the iPhone, I can't help but chuckle at the huge deal that is being made about this.

Congratulations on finally being like everybody else, USA. :D
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Haha yeah, phone exclusivity is kind of a strange concept to me, given all the networks in Australia use the same type of radio to my knowledge. In the US the choice of your carrier is a massive decision and blocks you off from choices of phone.
 
jonnybryce said:
It's fun to read posts by you in Apple threads because it's easy to know what you'll say.

So you think a company as smart as Apple looks at their competition's growth and thinks "That means nothing! Growth means nothing. Sales means nothing. Even if Android starts selling a million a day we have nothing to worry about! Let's not respond."
It's fact that their contract with AT&T wasn't up until 2012. Why break a contract? Because Verizon begged you?

The same way Hyundai and it's Sonata are causing change and fear in the automobile industry, Android is doing this in the smartphone industry.
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That was not even close to my point. I was simply responding to your hyperbole. Since Androids excellent growth is coming at the expense of Blackberry and Nokia, while Apple's marketshare is still growing, "falling by the way side" struck me as funny.

Not to mention, smartphone figures don't take into account the rest of the iOS userbase, which most certainly has to be considered when discussing developers future plans.
 
Charred Greyface said:
Hey you know the the Verizon iPhone is rumored to have use a CDMA sim card. Does that mean an unlocked Verizon iPhone could theoretically work with an AT&T sim and vice-versa?
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my 4g usb adapter actually has a sim card built in for verizon
 
entrement said:
Contracts cannot be broken just like that. We have no idea how the contract reads or if the contract was re-negotiated. Your assertion is pure, baseless speculation.
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Also, the 'can your phone on your network do that?' ads were not Apple ads. Why would they advertise for AT&T?
 
Van Owen said:
Apple had their own ads separate from the Like Wilson ones.
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I know, but I don't recall their ads attacking other phones or networks. Then again, since I've gotten a dvr I don't watch commercials too often, so I may have missed them
 
TouchMyBox said:
As a Canadian where even the flaker brands of the country has the iPhone, I can't help but chuckle at the huge deal that is being made about this.

Congratulations on finally being like everybody else, USA. :D
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Until we look at our monthly bills.

/endless sorrow
 
I hate how this is such a big deal. Shows how screwed up the US cell carrier market is.
 
quadriplegicjon said:
The AT&T ads with what's his face? Maybe I'm thinking of different ads? Do you have a link?
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lol no, the Apple ads! AT&T and Apple both responded to the Verizon/Droid assault separately. It was the typical white with the phone in the middle. They showed some stuff and at the very end they said "Can your phone on your network do that?" I'll try to find the video. In the meantime:

http://www.businessweek.com/technol...1/apple_launching_new_iphone_ads_tonight.html

Apple Launching New iPhone Ads Tonight

Apple is launching two new iPhone ads on TV tonight. The ads are intended to tout the iPhone’s ability to hold a simultaneous voice and data connection at the same time, something you notably can’t do — at least as far as I know — on other phones running on other network
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5 minutes to show time!!


Bboy AJ said:
I hate how this is such a big deal. Shows how screwed up the US cell carrier market is.
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It would be awesome if they all were GSM with the same bands and I could pop in any sim card I wanted but I honestly like Verizon the best. If this is how the story must go then so be it.
 
quadriplegicjon said:
I know, but I don't recall their ads attacking other phones or networks. Then again, since I've gotten a dvr I don't watch commercials too often, so I may have missed them
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They didn't attack any specific network. They just asked if your phone and network could do what theirs does. :p
 
It would be hilarous if Steve Ballmer rolled out on stage. The meltdown would be epic. "Expecting someone else?" :lol

As a long-time Verizon customer, I'm glad this day is finally here. I can finally use my employee discount on a phone I actually want for once. I've been getting by with my Eris, but I'm ready for something new.

I'm also interested to see if we'll get any iPad 2 news; honestly, I'm more interested in that (for gaming and video) than the iPhone, since it's probably just the iPhone 4.1 (the one with a working antenna).
 
Can I get a link to that GAF auto-fetch new posts extension for Firefox?

Van Owen said:
They didn't attack any specific network. They just asked if your phone and network could do what theirs does. :p
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Yeah, that hipster passive-aggressive bullshit ;)
 
"Okay, it looks like you're expecting a big announcement. I don't think we'll disappoint. If the press write something long enough, eventually it comes true. We're very very excited about our announcement today."

IPHONE!
 
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