Explosive Zombie
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Hey, if I made a post bragging about how I don't murder people I'd be virtue signalling, too.
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VG Tech PS5 vs XSX patch, performance drops to ps5 1368p and XSX 1080p (AC Valhalla)
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Hey, if I made a post bragging about how I don't murder people I'd be virtue signalling, too.
Tripolygon
Banned
For example lets say you are walking down the street and see someone beating up someone or verbally abusing someone.
Do you intervene and tell them to stop or would that be considered virtue signaling because clearly we are human and by nature we are all not perfect.
Now in essence are you saying it is bad for someone to say don't murder people?
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Explosive Zombie
Banned
How do those compare? Virtue signalling would be walking by the person being beaten/abused and saying "well, I'd never do that, personally" or some shit. It's about using someone else's behavior to prop up your own, not about actually taking steps to stop a bad situation or de-escalate one.
yewles1
Member
I'm almost ready to believe both at this point.Wasn't PS5 running at a (almost) locked 60FPS before this patch? They just made it worse with this one for no reason lol, either it was done intentionally to achieve "parity" between the consoles or Ubi's legit trash when it comes to engine optimizations.
Before the patch (60FPS mode):
After the patch (60FPS mode):
Tripolygon
Banned
Ahh so the act of saying I would never do that means you are virtue signaling?
For instance, you witnessed rape, murder and armed robbery and you were questioned by the police as a witness and you said;
I would never rape
I would never murder
I would never rob someone
Now would that be virtue signaling then?
Explosive Zombie
Banned
What is with these stupid ass scenarios you keep throwing at me? Dude is tossing shade at people for laughing at a retarded person, he isn't being interrogated by the police, he decided he needed to try and shame people for finding amusement in some harmless bs.
Tripolygon
Banned
Lol, i'm fucking with you. I just wanted to see how far up your ass you are. You don't have to be a saint to call someone out for being a total shit stain for laughing at someone with down syndrome you utter fuckwit. Finding amusement in some harmless bs. Please!!!!
Same 2 tireless nonsense assholes hide behind when being called out. White knighting and Virtue Signal.
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ReBurn
Gold Member
Probably because they equate performance with frame rate and not resolution. It's not a reach for people to prefer lowering resolution to maintain a higher frame rate.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
Brimming with virtue.
anothertech
Member
Lowering frame rate 100% to hit frame rate =\= better performance lolol.
It is absolutely a reach regardless of preference.
Also 140% increase of tearing is obviously a glitch. Disengenuous on all points tbh.
Tripolygon
Banned
Shit I wish. Lmao
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Well, Ubisoft been listening to Alex and let it drop even further for Xbox. That makes sense now as it can't handle 1440p in some situation according to previous comparison from DF.
VGTech is the GOAT! The PS5 dominance continues.
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ReBurn
Gold Member
So it's a glitch on one and poor performance on the other. Got it.
None of these consoles really hit 4K/60 in performance mode for this game. 1080p is not a 100% drop. When they fix the frame tearing "glitch" we'll probably see 1080p on both.
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Mr. PlayStation
Member
"You do realize 1080p outputting on 4K display is still better than 4K" - new logic from the man who said 720p is still better 
Valued Gamer
Banned
As I have said before. Don't go picking your console winner after the first batch of games. There's going to some ebs and flows in this one.
Md Ray
Member
Are you seriously trying to compare visuals/IQ from a YT video while setting the resolution at 720p and possibly even lower 480p? What a disingenuous post dude. You're purposefully trying to make the superior version (PS5) look worse.Digital foundry needs to do its job properly. From the video posted by you, i notice the Series has better draw distance in the background and has better textures and visuals.
It's clearly seen here at one scene same place , mountain area in the background. The PS5 blurry like the Series S. Visual quality not being compared here.
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Here's the same grab with 4K selected. Even this is still heavily compressed and wouldn't be fair to compare IQ.
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cryptoadam
Banned
In the end both machines cost the same unless you skimp and your getting pretty much the same performance unless you squint.
I am impressed though with Sony, and weather its their engenering or tools or whatever they did a good job with the internals of the PS5, the externals while its ugly. MS seems to have gone with brute force and maybe they messed up somewhere.
But this does show that these machines are already coming in a bit underpowered. I don't doubt Sony's 1st parties but 3rd party games on both systems haven't impressed. Whats gonna happen when its true 100% next gen games.
Thats why there are going to be pro versions for sure with the tag line of true 4K and maybe true 60.
This does make the DE 399 version more impressive though and a really good deal actually. 399 vs 499 XBOX and you are getting something that is SLIGHTLY showing better performance now that is some good shit form Sorny. 299 S bad deal all around and would have been better as a Nintendo system.
I am impressed though with Sony, and weather its their engenering or tools or whatever they did a good job with the internals of the PS5, the externals while its ugly. MS seems to have gone with brute force and maybe they messed up somewhere.
But this does show that these machines are already coming in a bit underpowered. I don't doubt Sony's 1st parties but 3rd party games on both systems haven't impressed. Whats gonna happen when its true 100% next gen games.
Thats why there are going to be pro versions for sure with the tag line of true 4K and maybe true 60.
This does make the DE 399 version more impressive though and a really good deal actually. 399 vs 499 XBOX and you are getting something that is SLIGHTLY showing better performance now that is some good shit form Sorny. 299 S bad deal all around and would have been better as a Nintendo system.
Kagey K
Banned
Remember when everyone swore framerate was king regardless of resolution?It seems PS5 performance mode was sabotaged(maybe unintentionally) unless Ubisoft gives the detailed list of additional content/effects/presets they added to performance mode in the patch.
Also Xbox series X having to drop to 1080 in performance mode means the tools narrative is now out of the window.
Microsoft/Ubisoft lowered the details on screen for the Division 1 port of Xbox One to maintain parity with PS4. This is being repeated here in a cross-gen title tells you where both PS5 and Xbox series X stands with the power narrative.
Xbox series X can only have parity or slightly better performance in 30fps mode and may be Ray-tracing mode.
Cyberpunk 2077 is another title with marketing deal with Xbox.
It seems like it was less than two months ago.
Kagey K
Banned
It’s way to early to make any of these calls. A couple cross gen games with terrible patches does not a generation make.
Riky
$MSFT
Weird you'd focus on dynamic resolution targets but not mention anything about performance in a performance mode.
Now PS5 has almost 3x as much tearing as XsX and FPS drops to 51, compared to 57.
It's hilarious how frame rate and tearing were the be all and end all before the patch, but now certain people seem to want to ignore that
like I said before the patch results frame drops and tearing affect the gameplay far more than a resolution scaler you're not going to notice whilst playing. Funny I was the first person he thought of again to in the opening post, bless him 
No VRR support means it's even worse on PS5, there is now a case all the multiplats are better on Xbox, as it should be.
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Md Ray
Member
That's... Due to the dynamic day-night cycle. SMH.
Another disingenuous screengrab from you.
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LivingD3AD
Member
Ubisoft needed to reduce the resolution on SeriesX (1080p) to fix those jarring frame drops and screen tearings! But Why the fuck they’ve lowered the resolution on PS5 which already was rock solid 60fps with much lower screen tearings and yet the frame rate got worse alongside the much more tearings after patch! What the fuck Ubisoft?!
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Md Ray
Member
A third disingenuous post with 480p screengrab. GG.
It seems to me the Series applied a different lighting method for background details. Found another example from the same video. Series S and PS5 have the same appearance, the high rock on the mountain shaded out.
Series X again looks different.
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ReBurn
Gold Member
It wasn't rock solid on PS5, though. It still had framerate drops and screen tearing. Just not as bad as the XSX version. They did manage to make it worse somehow.
Kagey K
Banned
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Agnostic2020
Member
Zero case . Sorry keep playing ur blurry mess 1080p on ur consoleIt's hilarious how frame rate and tearing were the be all and end all before the patch, but now certain people seem to want to ignore that
No VRR support means it's even worse on PS5, there is now a case all the multiplats are better on Xbox, as it should be.
Ps5 will be reverted back to 1640p with minimal screen tearing like before the patch in few days.
1640p vs 1080p,almost 100% more pixels on ps5
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Kagey K
Banned
Ok BuDdY.Zero case . Sorry keep playing ur blurry mess 1080p on ur xsx
Ps5 will be reverted back to 1640p with minimal screen tearing like before the patch in few days.
Power gap is huge almost 100% more pixels on ps5
TelL uS wHaT eLsE YvEs HaS iN StOrE SinCe YoU KnOw Ubi InNeR WeRkiNgS.
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Agnostic2020
Member
Its derailing these types of comments ,right ? Maybe riky should stop with that type of reposnses trying to declare an inferior version as somehow a winner is derailing in general. Derailing comments lead to more derailing comments
Kagey K
Banned
Lol this is the funniest change of heart ever towards a dev, that tries to stay neutral.Thank you Ubishit
Don’t ever change. Gaming needs real heroes.
Kagey K
Banned
He had a point, every time a game came in on XB1 with higher resolution, but dropped a frame here or there, Sony was declared the winner at a lower res, because it didn’t drop.
Now the same logic doesn’t apply?
I wouldn’t say he was derailing, (there are a billion posts before his that were off topic) but it’s not like we haven’t seen enough of these posts from both sides.
I only picked out your post because you claimed that it would be fixed in the next few days, so I assume you must have some insider knowledge at UBI, otherwise you might be talking out your ass.
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Hayabusabruh
Member
Lol. I feel like some of you are touching yourselves.
Kagey K
Banned
If the original thread title was still up you could tell OP was, as he typed it with one hand.
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Agnostic2020
Member
Reason I say they revert it back is simple.
Before patch at 1640p ps5 was almost locked 60
Now after patch at 1380p ps5 drops more often
Its a simple rushed patch .
Xsx at 1080p fps is around what ps5 was at 1640p (albeit still drops more than ps5 before patch )which means xsx improved in frame but ps5 got worse
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BootsLoader
Banned
Xbox series S is a fuckin joke. Why is it still here? Just to suffer?
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Kagey K
Banned
I don’t see how often it hits 1080 or even worse than 1640.Reason I say they revert it back is simple.
Before patch at 1640p ps5 was almost locked 60
Now after patch at 1380p ps5 drops more often
Its a simple rushed patch .
Xsx at 1080p fps is around what ps5 was at 1640p (albeit still drops more than ps5 before patch )which means xsx improved in frame but ps5 got worse
Where is that chart?
I still don’t see how UBI reverts it, since it doesn’t reflect the extra effects and tweaks UBI made.
As a barebones analysis it’s fine, but there is obviously more going on than just straight resolution and framerates, that haven’t been quantified yet.
captainraincoat
Banned
You gotta let them have their time in the sun...going to be a long generation
Low Moral Fibre
Member
Not sure you can compare the VGtech pre and post patch numbers unless you know what he did each time. In the post patch video there is an extra torch test which kills PS5 performance and where it is no doubt dropping to 1080p on XSX and still can't keep 60fps.
If you compare like for like pre and post patch PS5 actually looks slightly better FPS wise presumably as they allowed it to drop slightly lower.
I would imagine if they allowed PS5 to drop to 1080p you'd see it slightly ahead again like pre patch.
If you compare like for like pre and post patch PS5 actually looks slightly better FPS wise presumably as they allowed it to drop slightly lower.
I would imagine if they allowed PS5 to drop to 1080p you'd see it slightly ahead again like pre patch.
Agnostic2020
Member
We have mean numbers of total frames.Not sure you can compare the VGtech pre and post patch numbers unless you know what he did each time. In the post patch video there is an extra torch test which kills PS5 performance and where it is no doubt dropping to 1080p on XSX and still can't keep 60fps.
If you compare like for like pre and post patch PS5 actually looks slightly better FPS wise presumably as they allowed it to drop slightly lower.
I would imagine if they allowed PS5 to drop to 1080p you'd see it slightly ahead again like pre patch.
Before patch
After patch
Ps5 dropped in resolution and frame on average
To sell to casuals ? You think Neogaf is the whole demographic? Go read some books or websites to get a better understanding.
MaulerX
Member
Honestly this is the wrong game to be arguing about which console is better.
All Ubisoft is doing is tweaking the dynamic resolution profiles of the game. They are absolutely not optimizing or extracting any of the consoles respective capabilities.
That is why we're now seeing better performance on Xbox (albeit with a more aggressive dynamic scaler that goes as low as 1080p). And a higher average resolution on PS5 at the cost of performance and more screen tearing.
This has nothing to do with Xbox or PS5's capabilities. This is Ubisoft implementing a cheap ass fix that does a great disservice to both consoles.
All Ubisoft is doing is tweaking the dynamic resolution profiles of the game. They are absolutely not optimizing or extracting any of the consoles respective capabilities.
That is why we're now seeing better performance on Xbox (albeit with a more aggressive dynamic scaler that goes as low as 1080p). And a higher average resolution on PS5 at the cost of performance and more screen tearing.
This has nothing to do with Xbox or PS5's capabilities. This is Ubisoft implementing a cheap ass fix that does a great disservice to both consoles.
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