If only 'most developers' will be fully briefed by the end of the year, it doesn't jive with a 2012 release at all
Sounds much more like the Vita timeline.
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If only 'most developers' will be fully briefed by the end of the year, it doesn't jive with a 2012 release at all
Sounds much more like the Vita timeline.
not scary because it won't happen.
It actually pleases me. Current generation still looks fine. It's just that most developers have simply been lazy in the creativity department.
phosphor112
Banned
A 2 to 4gig discrepency would be bad for Sony. 2 would be more inline with Nintendo. 4 gigs would allow MS to get nearly voluntary exclusives due to the much higher memory capacity.
Also, I just thought of something...
Final Fantasy VS 13, The Last Guardian...
I can only see one of those coming out this year... FF VS 13, I don't see happening. Square won't be happy if PS4 is changed technology, unless they release it for PS3 RIGHT BEFORE or AFTER the PS4 launches. I don't know...
Why is it embarrassing? Who is being embarrassed?
StealthGoblin
Banned
Reckon Uncharted 4 will be on PS4 and PS3? TLOU will be late 2012/early 2013.
Given the sheer amount of teams Sony have on the go with nothing announced, they could be prepping some big guns for launch.
Given the sheer amount of teams Sony have on the go with nothing announced, they could be prepping some big guns for launch.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Maybe not all specs much weaker, but "2GB memory" rumor at least. In Sony's eyes, it would be just like what they did with PS2 (that too had half the memory of Xbox)
Ah, OK. I thought it was May briefing for most developers. But it could still mean Q1 launch, like Vita.If only 'most developers' will be fully briefed by the end of the year, it doesn't jive with a 2012 release at all
Sounds much more like the Vita timeline.
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
Because the hardware is painfully outdated and should have had a refresh at least two years ago. This gen has got so stale.
Thank God for PC gaming to fill the gap in the meantime. Christmas 2012 should be the latest for all three consoles at this point.
RAM imposes a serious limitation on creative department. Can't create more complex AI and more reactiive environment because there is not enough space to store it during the game.
Oh it was a PC is elite type of remark. Joy.
But the Xbox brand is much stronger now than it was then.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
PC Elite?
Yeah, I'm not invested in consoles at all, am I? That's only 150+ games for this current gen.
Get the fuck out of here with this fanboy bullshit. I'm a fan of gaming and the current consoles have got stale. PC gaming isn't. That's just a fact. Consoles need to hurry up and deliver new hardware so they can become fresh again.
Yeah, but 32MB from 64MB is much better than 2GB from 4GB. That's a big ass gap.
PC Elite?
Yeah, I'm not invested in consoles at all, am I? That's only 150+ games for this current gen.
Get the fuck out of here with this fanboy bullshit. I'm a fan of gaming and the current consoles have got stale. PC gaming isn't. That's just a fact. Consoles need to hurry up and deliver new hardware so they can become fresh again.
PC isn't delivering shit but console ports, so how is it saving you from console's stale-ness?
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
All I care about is that Sony keeps on getting the Japanese games and I will be glad to buy a PS4 (for $400).
maquiladora
Member
Loving all these next gen stories.
Just please god let there be some kind of news at E3 this year.
Just please god let there be some kind of news at E3 this year.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
SCEJ can barely get games out this gen.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
No, I am talking about games like the Tales series, Nippon Ichi, Atlus, GUST, SEGA, and other companies.
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
Even if you disregard the fact this is a nonsense statement which simply isn't true, 60fps/1080p/8xAA/16xAF alone elevates those ports MILES above their shitty 720p/30fps console counterparts.
But anyway, I'm not going to get in to this console vs PC debate here. I just didn't appreciate you trying to brand me a fanboy.
If they do go with 2gb on launch, I hope they take a note from PC's (seems like they have with x86) and atleast allow ram to be upgraded down the road.
Monty Mole
Member
I'd 100% agree when it comes to retail games, although I'd argue XBLA and PSN are still offering fresh experiences though.
We always see new IP when a new generation comes along though. Third parties aren't interested in launching big new IPs at this stage in the cycle. That's one of the main reasons I'm getting impatient for next-gen.
I'm not too worried about the details of the specs next generation. I simply want crisp, clean graphics and smooth framerates. Enough of the jaggies and slowdowns.
What does that have to do with being stale? COD is no longer stale because it's 1080p? Ok.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
LOL this is shaping up to be a clusterfuck of epic proportions.
If the two behemoths are going to go head-to-head with each other that means each side is going to need a solid roster of high-end software with which to differentiate themselves,
Where's it going to come from? Seriously.
There's not a huge amount being published already, and there's absolutely no way that third parties can afford to unceremoniously drop support for the current gen in the face of zero install-bases for these new platforms.
Where's the development bandwidth going to come from?
If the two behemoths are going to go head-to-head with each other that means each side is going to need a solid roster of high-end software with which to differentiate themselves,
Where's it going to come from? Seriously.
There's not a huge amount being published already, and there's absolutely no way that third parties can afford to unceremoniously drop support for the current gen in the face of zero install-bases for these new platforms.
Where's the development bandwidth going to come from?
MS got a decent grab on the UK, which is a lot more comparable to the US than the continent.
There's basically two questions:
a) How long will the US be the biggest market, before Europe supersedes it?
b) How much of MS's success last gen was due to one-time factors (a year's head start, $599, having an architecture that happened to be more familiar to the devs making the generation's fad genre, the yen rising against the dollar so hard that Sony books the same amount coming in per console as they did when they were still selling the Phat) vs. how much of a boost will Live stickiness give?
To be honest, if the current rumors are true then both platforms are going to be extremely commoditized, and that hurts MS in the long run since they have weaker first party, have completely bailed on Japan, and can no longer drive Live adoption with the feature superiority that pushed it this gen. I expect both to be successful from here on out, though.
Oddly enough, I got the impression the at Xbox waited out on the 720 announcement for the sole reason that Sony said they weren't debuting it at E3. I'm sure they didn't base their impression on just that, but it did cross through my mind. Even if they knew what PS4 was packing, I doubt ~6ish months of time is enough to turn something around software or hardware-wise.
Same here, i'll buy one as long as Sony secures support from Gust/Tecmo(Atelier), Namco(Tales), NIS(Disgaea), Sega(Yakuza) and SE(FF). Not too concerned with the specs or BC.
I just hope PD gets GT6 out within 2 years of PS4 launch, that shouldn't be too hard.
As long as its reasonably more powerful than the PS3 it should be good I think, history has shown that power does not equal highest sales.
The budgets for games are really high as is so jumping too far ahead is just asking for trouble.
So as long as its powerful enough to look like a good jump from the current gen and is reasonable priced then Sony would be in the right imo..
The budgets for games are really high as is so jumping too far ahead is just asking for trouble.
So as long as its powerful enough to look like a good jump from the current gen and is reasonable priced then Sony would be in the right imo..
Slim chances.
But we will get info about God of War 4, Last of Us, Tomb Raider reboot, Thief 3, Legacy of Cain reboot, Lords of Shadow 2, Project Cars, Assassins Creed 3, Resident Evil 6, Bioshock Infinite, Borderlands 2, Far Cry 3, Crytek secret 3rd project, DmC, Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance, Overstrike, Aliens: Colonial Marines and who knows how many Wii-U, 3DS and Vita titles.
Dont worry. This E3 will be just fine.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
That isn't up Sony. That has to do more with how many bags of Nintendo drops off to them. MS is basically going to totally ignore Japan next gen.
also region free please, nintendo killed 3ds for me by region locking it
H_Prestige
Banned
Yup. Sony can't compete with Nintendo when it comes to gathering third party support. They are the masters. Oh wait...
shinra-bansho
Member
There was a Tales game on the Wii. A retooling of it sold more a year later on the PS3.
The writing's on the wall, the Cell is a goner.
S-E has no one to blame for vsXIII's development hell but themselves.
The writing's on the wall, the Cell is a goner.
It's up to Sony by existing. The old guard remembers exactly how Nintendo behaved when they were the only game in town, and if Sony falls they'll be begging MS to come in.
iceatcs
Junior Member
Aye, MS could fuck up. They have to go crazy mode to get completion price.
phosphor112
Banned
Quick question... the rumor for dual gpu (7990?) in the Xbox3... if they feel the need for dual GPU, why wouldn't sony go for a single GPU and "Cell"? Two powerful steam processors with the cell doubling as a standard CPU. It would be able to keep up.
I don't know, many I'm just ass hurt that I'm losing BC. Uuuuugh.
I don't know, many I'm just ass hurt that I'm losing BC. Uuuuugh.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Remember Epic saying that next gen will start with everyone still using UE3? Don't expect team sizes to expand and new engines to pop up until they've sold their first 10 million a piece. Until then, it will be games of PS360 quality at higher res/AA.
Very few companies could survive a Lair-level flop if budgets doubled overnight.
Consoles have been always outdated from PC technology, problem here is 360 architecture is pretty similar to a Compatible platforms, and some clearly console gamer oriented games have been ported to PCs. You can see older examples like MGS1, FFVII, MGS2, SH2/3, RE1/2/3 (you can see how graphical superior are them from their console version)...
I still want to play the Last Of Us, the Last Guardian or FFVersusXIII before next gen starts. Yeah, I know they can be played once that gen starts, but everybody knows that if this happens anybody will give a shit about that games.
You think those franchises are gonna be WiiU-exclusives? Lol ^^
Dual GPU won't be anywhere near 7990. If everyone's going AMD, it's probably going to be similar to their $500-tier laptop GPU solution, the "6720": an APU with onboard 6520 plus a self-contained 6650.
If I don't get solid news about The Last Guardian and FF13Versus I going flip out. I don't want to see every major publisher start getting these purgatory projects like Valve and Blizzard are known for.
phosphor112
Banned
Hmm... interesting...
shinra-bansho
Member
The problem I see with this is... what exactly is there to drive consumer adoption then?
If consumers can't see a discernible generational leap, then I don't see why they would shell out for new hardware.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Didn't matter on PS2 or really on PS3 (in half the world), why would it start mattering now? Price and features are much more important when everyone is targeting 720p-1080p.
Edit, remember, Samaritan is UE3. DX 11 features and good IQ go a long way, and devs are already accustomed to implementing these features on PC.
Wii?
There are several high profile, technically proficient - if not technically omg-amazing - developers that are currently working on unknown projects, very probably in most cases, unknown next-gen console projects. Sony has a large dev capability and MS has been rather intensely staffing up.
Think about this: PS4 could see new ND and Guerrilla projects quite early on, for example.
Epic could have something for MS.
I think you will see suitably differentiated, suitably 'next-gen' stuff from high profile and technically ambitious devs pretty early.
Oh god, my brain hurts. Why do people think this?
gaming_noob
Member
Disappointed if true. I don't think this is true though.