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VG247: "Xbox One’s DRM u-turn: thank Sony, not the core"

talking to some real life friends, and looking at some other posts here and other forums, it seems as if the now xbox 180 went from being the villain, to the laughing stock.

is being the clueless red headed step child better then being the stern and prick stepdad?
 
Stumpokapow said:
I dispute the premise that millions of people who watched E3 pressers have never heard of Reddit.
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Or that the core is a small percentage of those who watched it. Are the so called 'hardcore' even the small vocal minority they're always being pegged as? No one ever tallied them.
 
Brawly Likes to Brawl said:
You'd have to be dense not to think the outrage played a major factor in this. Yes, Sony dug into Microsoft about Used Games, but they didn't decide to do that out of nowhere. Sony noticed the discourse among the gaming community and decided to exploit it.

I don't know why people are so hellbent on toning the outrage down to a few angry nerds on a few sites, the Used Game video has about 13 million views, for fucks sake. A substantial amount of people were upset.
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Yes, but that was Sony's video, remember. The outrage was there, but Sony's video and E3 thrashing calling MS out publicly like that was what drove it home to the masses.
 
commedieu said:
you too?

they want to be the " inside" guys. they want to be relevant. they are trying so hard on this one. why is he crying about gamers being happy that their efforts mattered?

and they take it personal.


no one is saying it was all gamers, but it was an effort with alot of factors.
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They reacted the same exact way when Nintendo switched from the traditional press conference to a Nintendo Direct. Took it very personally. Felt cut out.

I think Nintendo got it somewhat right because I still saw a ton of mainstream press coverage for Nintendo's games considering this was an E3 about HW reveals from MS and Sony.
 
Nonsense. Sony clearly stated that they were doing this because it is what gamers want. They learn what gamers want on the Internet. So thank the Internet.
 
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Its foolish now to say that the core did nothing when there are execs on records saying that we did. Unless Adam Boyes is a liar.

I dont think any of us want to argue that we were the sole reason for Sonys stance but I also dont think they would have made as big a deal about it if we didnt have that twitter campaign.
 
This past month, I learned that cause and effect are no longer taught in schools.

Cause[1] -> Effect[1] used as Cause[2] -> Effect[2] means that even though Cause 2 caused Effect 2, Cause 1 also led to Effect 2.

To imply that the movement had no involvement with anything requires disregarding all E3 interviews with Sony about their decision. They could claim we shouldn't take Sony at their word, sure, but that means we must take said journalist at their word instead. You can do he said she said forever with that. I fail to see how that is a decisive blow.
 
If I'm not mistaken, didn't Tretton or Boyes give an interview where he specifically says he went in and showed the execs what was happening online with the #NoDRM movement and that was the final push?

I am 100% confident I read that last week. That would completely negate this entire article.
 
2&2 said:
Yes, but that was Sony's video, remember. The outrage was there, but Sony's video and E3 thrashing calling MS out publicly like that was what drove it home to the masses.
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Exactly, my point is that they wouldn't have found that jab necessary if the DRM wasn't such a big issue among the core community over the last few months. Up until now, buying and selling used games and playing single player games offline were both givens in the console market. Would Sony be waving a flag saying "YOU CAN DO THE SAME THING YOU'VE BEEN DOING IN EVERY GEN" if there wasn't some sort of controversy surrounding it?
 
I think public outcry did play a factor but what happens in the scenario where the public cried yet MS sells out on pre-orders? Why wait a week after going on a PR campaign to "justify" online only and their anti-used game stance? Its simple, they saw the ratio of PS4 to XBONE pre-orders. Potential buyers voted with their wallets. A large part of that is through Sony really sticking it to MS at the conference and then again on Jimmy Fallon, the YT instructional video, etc .... Sony pushed the message. We bought it and then we bought a PS4.
 
That's pretty funny because even if Sony weren't planning on doing the DRM anyway, they never would have made a big deal out of it (just a few casual mentions when asked in media interviews) if it wasn't for the internet.

Internet made a big deal out of it, protested and campaigned on twitter -> Sony making a big deal out of it, see E3, and the 13m+ view on that YT vid. By this point, many core and casual had no heard about the Xbox One and why it's worse than the PS4 (the DRM stuff) -> Microsoft backtracking because of this.

it literally all started with the internet/GAF with the #PS4NoDRM thing. If we listened to those that said "Shut up, no company will listen to a bunch of whiny gamers" and everyone just begrudgingly accepted it then Microsoft wouldn't have changed their position and Sony may still not have had DRM but they wouldn't have cared enough to make a big deal out of it (and we wouldn't have that 13m+ youtube video)
 
The AntiDRM campaign was mainstream well before the PS4 conference and to say it had no fucking effect.. so salty.
 
Microsoft: Here is our DRM plan
Sony (privately): Wow, that's something but maybe we should just go with the PS3's DRM
Loud Consumers: Sony please don't follow Microsoft, we don't like it
Microsoft (privately): Well maybe after they've seen the games they will drop the rage.
Sony (privately): A lot of people seem not to like Microsoft's DRM. So we are definitely keeping status quo. Lets make a big deal out of us keeping the PS3's DRM at E3
E3 happens
Loud Consumers: Yay thank you Sony
Microsoft: Yeah were doing that too.

Consumer's played a part.
 
Thanking Sony is a joke. I am not convinced that Sony didn't want to go this route and decided, due to different factors, that it wasn't worth it due to the outcry against it.
 
It's almost as if these "journalists" have vested interests in certain companies.

....Nah, couldn't be.

blanky said:
Or that the core is a small percentage of those who watched it. Are the so called 'hardcore' even the small vocal minority they're always being pegged as? No one ever tallied them.
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I think people are vastly underestimating the real power the Internet has now. Before social media, there was no way to get the word out. At that time, yes, the core were a very vocal but very small minority limited to just a few message boards. Now, the vast majorities of people that use the internet AT LEAST have Facebook and Twitter accounts. Word gets out fast (exhibit A:The anarchy on the Xbox facebook page). Look how many news stories begin as twitter posts for all the evidence you need.

The most delicious irony of all is that the very weapon Microsoft sought to use against consumers was their DRM plan's downfall.
 
Just an inflammatory statement that was written to get clicks. Just ignore idiots like this. Don't go to the website and give them the time of day -- post about it in this thread if you must.
 
Marleyman said:
Thanking Sony is a joke. I am not convinced that Sony didn't want to go this route and decided, due to different factors, that it wasn't worth it due to the outcry against it.
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Even if this is true, they made the right choice. MS was well aware of the consumer sentiment towards drm and they chose to stick with it anyway. I give them credit for this bold retraction though.
 
The cause of this U-turn is the gamers! Or you forgot what happened during the DRM campaign? This is all bullshit. The cause is the gamers not Sony.
 
ascii42 said:
I think the reason Sony made such a big deal out of it was because of "The Internet"
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Yeah, I do think they would have put anything in their E3 slide show if it wasn't for the consumer outrage over stupid shit that Microsoft was doing. Sony saw it as a jumping point to get support from customers who were upset about the Xbone.
 
Phoenician_Viking said:
Yeah, i remember it. Is it bigger than 4chan?
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Yes, by a lot.

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jwhit28 said:
Microsoft: Here is our DRM plan
Sony (privately): That's risky, but we will stick with what we have. We don't need any more headache.
Loud Consumers: Sony please don't follow Microsoft, we don't like it
Microsoft (privately): Well maybe after they've seen the games they will drop the rage.
Sony (privately): A lot of people seem not to like Microsoft's DRM. So we are definitely makung the right move. Lets make a big deal out of us keeping the PS3's DRM at E3 and use this to our advantage.
E3 happens
Loud Consumers: Yay thank you Sony
Microsoft: Yeah were doing that too.

Consumer's played a part.
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Made that more accurate.

Article is silly. Let me pose a scenario.

Consumers don't make noise. MS proceeds with their plan. Sony with theirs. Media doesn't pick up on it, Sony doesn't escalate it and the average consumer who doesn't pay attention to forums or gaming websites as much is none the wiser. Generation will still favour Sony, but MS would bend over a large amount of consumers and set a dangerous precedent which could be followed depending on its level of success.

Thanks is owed to the consumers in part because they created a chain reaction. And that begab on the internet. Hopefully, people bear this in mind when MS goes for the inevitable round two and tries to be smarter about it.
 
Wow, some of these gaming journalists seem salty as the fuck. It was their job to to set MS straight throughout this entire ordeal, and although many of them did, it should have been so much more. A lot of them sat on their ass and were willing to just take the pipe like good little corporate shills despite the people they write for losing their shit over this.

The core gamer DID do this. And they deserve most of the credit. Period. Core gamers were the ones informing people who didn't know any better and making damn sure the companies and gaming sites knew how they really felt about MS's bullshit. It created a domino effect that helped Sony seize an opportunity to win some goodwill amongst the consumers, which they accomplished, and then MS had no choice but to follow...

I believe both core gamers and Sony deserve credit for this entire ordeal. They made the difference together. But, this was a chain of events STARTED by core gamers, and they deserve the lion share of the credit. Period. End of fucking story.
 
Gamers, a promising QB, threw the pass. Sony received and ran it audaciously into the end zone.

or...

Gamers delivered a peach of a free kick, Sony slotted it in with a delightful finish.

It was a team effort each played their part. But yes Sony scored the goal / touchdown and will get to dance in the end zone or dance around the corner flag. But we, the gamers get to dance with them.
 
I refuse to believe that anyone who watches E3 doesn't know what those websites he mentioned are.

If you're watching E3 you are interested in video game news, if you're interested in video game news you're going to stumble onto at least one of those sites.

Where is the proof that E3 is watched by casuals and hardcore?
 
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