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VGLeaks: PS4 GPU Hardware Balanced at 14 CUs - 4 CUs only minor boost for rendering
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Appreciate this stuff. Anywhere I can go for good reading/learning on it?
Micromegas
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And we enter the cold-war era of NeoGaf.
gundamkyoukai
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Did you read what i just said they were always going with GDDR5 .
It would have been eDRAM plus GDDR5 at 128 bus and have smaller bandthwith.
Chobel
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This drama....
Any hints if this true or not?
Same reason some people want pcs to be weaker .. Cause everyone is crazy!!
famousmortimer
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Come on, GAF. Come on!
CassidyIzABeast
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Cerny's quote seems to say the same thing that's in the slide.
There's no actual mandate that you have to use it for GPGPU. 14 CUs is the sweet spot for graphics but we've got some extra juice if you want to throw some GPGPU stuff in your game.
Same thing the slide says.
Crimson_Gold
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There's blood in the water. This place is a madhouse
If you can take this in context, and I mean, IN CONTEXT, I was told a few months ago this verbatim:
"The true successor to the Xbox 360 is the PlayStation 4."
How and why?
- Easier to program for
- Better performing multiplatform titles
- Designed around games first
- Attempt at captivating the hardcore first and foremost.
I don't know how you're still here. You pretend to be an insider on Twitter even though you know nothing and you're a bigger troll than senjutsu sage and reiko combined. Seriously, get this nonsense out of here. It's disgusting and you are shaming gaf with your childish behaviour.
HORRORSHØW
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LukasTaves
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No, you posted this because you think 12 CU is better than 18 CU.
That's not inherently wrong... With the optimum load a lower latency 12 CUs can outperform 18 CU with more memory access latency.
The million dollar question is whether graphic and compute tasks fit or not on that scenario.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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doesn't the R9 290x only have 11 CU's?
If Cerny himself is debunking it, it doesn't matter what any one else is saying. More importantly, it is super funny to see the hardcore Xbox One Fanboys read the title of this thread with glee only to find themselves in a trap of nomenclature.
That has definitely been evident, as has for further context, seems that the X1 is the successor to the PS3 regards taking on
-More difficult to program for - Cell / EsRAM (according to devs and articles)
Yeah that's what I tried to point out in my post, although you worded it better.
Can't argue with any of that, in any context, except maybe the first point which is most likely due to MS being behind on their SDK and drivers.
It's people attempting to justify to themselves a choice they're seemingly not all that content with themselves in making.
viveks86
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Exactly what I was about to post. Could all of this be legit, and yet could the RAM increase change the way it should be interpreted? Has this so-called "balance" been shifted due to the RAM increase?
dragonelite
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Even if this is true im pretty sure the engineers will find a way to use those CU for graphics.
You could probably implement a lot of post processing effect with compute shaders.
It really doesn't matters if there is performance the exclusive team will use or abuse it for task its not meant to.
You could probably implement a lot of post processing effect with compute shaders.
It really doesn't matters if there is performance the exclusive team will use or abuse it for task its not meant to.
Coulomb_Barrier
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Wtf lol.
This was debunked months ago and info is from 2012.
This was debunked months ago and info is from 2012.
the only problem with this thread is people act like cerny is some unbiased resource who is all about the tech and nothing else.
look at all those X1 fans jumping to this thread!
18 CUs are 18 whether used for rendering or compute or raycasting or even making a sandwich. they are there to serve a purpose, and is at the mercy of developers to do anything with it.
MS in desperation is touting 14 CUs which funny enough is more than X1 12 CUs.
Assume a scenario where PS4 utilize 14(rendering) + 4 (compute) in a multiplat, X1 to achieve similar compute effect needs to use 8 (rendering) + 4 (Compute).
So the 50% difference is there, won't disappear magically.
18 CUs are 18 whether used for rendering or compute or raycasting or even making a sandwich. they are there to serve a purpose, and is at the mercy of developers to do anything with it.
MS in desperation is touting 14 CUs which funny enough is more than X1 12 CUs.
Assume a scenario where PS4 utilize 14(rendering) + 4 (compute) in a multiplat, X1 to achieve similar compute effect needs to use 8 (rendering) + 4 (Compute).
So the 50% difference is there, won't disappear magically.
It can help justify / explain the behavior of Xbox 360 fans who oh so desperately want the Xbox One to be more than it really is. I feel for those guys. Microsoft garnered so much good will from the hardcore (the controller, Xbox Live, achievements, etc.), but they fucked it all up in a matter of months. It's as if they read their entire fan base wrong.
And that's the tea
Some AMD GCN Cards dont even have 4GB GDDR5 and some double the CU's, I dont think Ram is the issue
yes post and particles seem to be the current trend.
No, you posted this because you think 12 CU is better than 18 CU.
I've read some stuff on the matter back then and I know that I was jumping to conclusions too quickly and that I'm probably wrong.
dragonflys545
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Thread backfire lol.
He designed the system. You cannot claim to know more about the system than the person who designed it.
You pay attention. Those were funny days when the PS4 was slated to have 4 steamroller cores + 4 GB GDDR5 at 192 GB/S.
Out of curioustity, if the PS4 was balanced for rendering at 14 CU's anybody else think the XB would likely be balanced at between 6-10 CU's?
I mean
Pixel fill rate: 13.648GPixel/Sec against 25.6 GPixels/Sec - PS4 90% more
Texture fill rate: 40.9Gtexel/Sec against 57.6 Gtexel/Sec - PS4 40% more
Estimated practical Bandwidth: 140gb/s vs. 172gb/s - PS4 23% more
Depending on where the bottleneck is, the XB1 would be "balanced" when the PS4 is between 23%-90% higher on Floating point performance.
So let's run this down with the xb1 mentality that the PS4 is balanced at 14 CU and therefore 1.43Gflops. so by Microsofts own "Balance" logic the xb1 would also be balanced at somewhere between: 0.75Tflops and 1.16Tflops or 6.9 CU to 10.6 CU's meaning the xb1 CU's would stop scaling linearly somewhere between 6 and 10.
But of course only the PS4 could possibly be affected by this.
Jus sayin'
I mean
Pixel fill rate: 13.648GPixel/Sec against 25.6 GPixels/Sec - PS4 90% more
Texture fill rate: 40.9Gtexel/Sec against 57.6 Gtexel/Sec - PS4 40% more
Estimated practical Bandwidth: 140gb/s vs. 172gb/s - PS4 23% more
Depending on where the bottleneck is, the XB1 would be "balanced" when the PS4 is between 23%-90% higher on Floating point performance.
So let's run this down with the xb1 mentality that the PS4 is balanced at 14 CU and therefore 1.43Gflops. so by Microsofts own "Balance" logic the xb1 would also be balanced at somewhere between: 0.75Tflops and 1.16Tflops or 6.9 CU to 10.6 CU's meaning the xb1 CU's would stop scaling linearly somewhere between 6 and 10.
But of course only the PS4 could possibly be affected by this.
Jus sayin'
viveks86
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Some AMD GCN Cards dont even have 4GB GDDR5 and some double the CU's, I dont think Ram is the issue
That's true. I still don't even understand what the issue is. Is there not enough bandwidth to feed all CUs? What's this fuss about "balance" when it never seems to be an issue with standard GPUs? What could prevent all CUs from being fully utilized?
Wow. Calm down man.
I would remove probably from your statement if I were you.
The same kind of people that enjoy "Xbone is weaker" threads: fanboys. At the end of the day, the difference on the screen won't be as significant as some people think and most of all, it won't matter. At all.
vpance
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That is crazy, and I'll never get it. Especially when you can buy em all.
http://www.vgleaks.com/playstation-4-balanced-or-unbalanced/
Note that the slide is from 2012 - so maybe Sony found some way to increase the outcome of using more than 14 CUs now compared to back then.
Mark Cerny on the matter:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-face-to-face-with-mark-cerny
It's the first time who you posted something about ps4; everytime I read something in your post, it give me the impression that you try to redeem xbone hardware specs. & now this news...Forgive me but are you Leadbetter? I hardly believe in the coincidence.
Yeah but he would also talk up his product as well. Not saying he is wrong but i wouldn't use him as an unbiased source.
IAmRandom31
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Wow this is incredibly old news, and was false in the first place.
The GPU CAN use its CU's for compute tasks, but it is not mandatory.
Res0gun uses GPCPU programming structure. I believe HouseMarque stated most of the physics and such are being done by the GPU and not the CPU.
It is all just choice. You can if you want. But the system does not lock away 4 CU's for nothing but compute tasks, that would be a ridiculous structure.
And as people have shown, the PS4 GPU is a very respectable GPU even in the Desktop world. Around a 200$ card. I call it a 7860, since it seems to be right there in the middle between the 7850 and 7870.
The GPU CAN use its CU's for compute tasks, but it is not mandatory.
Res0gun uses GPCPU programming structure. I believe HouseMarque stated most of the physics and such are being done by the GPU and not the CPU.
It is all just choice. You can if you want. But the system does not lock away 4 CU's for nothing but compute tasks, that would be a ridiculous structure.
And as people have shown, the PS4 GPU is a very respectable GPU even in the Desktop world. Around a 200$ card. I call it a 7860, since it seems to be right there in the middle between the 7850 and 7870.
BloodMoney
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but why...
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