If it was being worked on for 18 months something would have been shown by sony or leaked at least.
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Vicarious Visions were initially behind Call of Duty for Vita
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eighty(one)
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I'm always hitting cars at inopportune times, especially during races, or police chases. Not all areas are densely populated but there is generally enough traffic, for me to call it decent.
famousmortimer
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I would actually really, really love to hear activision's side of the story. Because I will fully admit that everything im saying here is coming straight from Sony so it's obviously biased in how they viewed the whole thing.
Does anyone know anyone over there?
Does anyone know anyone over there?
You also have to factor in that Criterion had their own engine for the game whilst VV had to try to get someone else's engine to work on the Vita. It's much easier to customise your own code than to work around someone else's.
If anything SCEJ didn't support the vita, and japan is where it desperately needed to grow first.
I don't see the 3DS exactly moving wonders in NA either, but thats because handhelds don't seem to be as popular here as much as smartphone gaming is.
Sony should have done what people were hyping up for 5 years ago by making a Playstation phone. Plenty of people would have bought into it. And I don't mean The Xerpia Play, I mean an actual Playstation Portable/vita with phone functions.
Offering a basic model as a standalone gaming system/multimedia system and the other as a phone.
This stupid 3G model or wifi was bound to fail when they never put the actual support in.
If anyone's devs team have been dedicating their time to the vita its SCEE, and I applaud their actions for it, but because of this half-***ed mess SCEE has already taken off Liverpool, bigbig, and someone else I think who were working on vita games.
SCEA has wasted valuable money and lost resources, now I want to see what their next move will be when their return on profit doesn't show.
eighty(one)
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Ask your people to get Ghostbusters PSP on PSN, through the Vita store, in NA ^_^
And yes, this is a very intriguing story that I'm very curious to know more about. It's very compelling, like a bad break up where you want to know all of the juicy details - squee! :0)
famousmortimer
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My understanding (and I'm not the most reliable source in the world, im just telling you what ive heard from 2 folks inside sony, neither of whom worked directly on this.... so it may even be corporate rumors) is that they were porting the engine and it just wasn't working. There was nothing to leak. It just didn't work.
It also wasn't part of the contract that Sony had any input about the game. They didn't have producers working on it or overseeing it. It was 100% activision's game to make however they wanted to. They didn't have to show it to sony, they didn't have to clear a price for it with sony, they didn't have to do anything except release a game in the middle of november. They approached Sony and said they couldn't get it done and sony hooked them up with nihilistic. And then they made the game. As far as activision is concerned they fulfilled their end of the bargain, because technically they did.
Someone needs to modify that NeoGAF guy gif.
So pretty much next year were not getting Call of Duty Modern Warfare: Declassified
Nope just Bioshock
eclassified Skies.The fact that it's not the exact same OS and development platform. I don't think you're ever gonna truly have widely-supported cross-play compatibility until you've got two or more platforms that are essentially the same thing in different hardware shells. That's how you get universal iOS games. It's really more akin to the relationship between the Game Gear and the Sega Master System.
CamHostage
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I'm going to guess the latter, Vicarious Visions is a competent studio (though they seem to be at their best when challenged by lesser-tech hardware, going by their GBA and DS work,) but the timing probably stopped working for Activision and the ease of reskinning/retrofitting the Resistance engine seemed a better deal while assigning the internal Vicarious to projects that the company actually cared about.
Too bad, it would have been nice symmetry too since Vicarious Vision was there with a PSP launch game too in the Spiderman 2 game.
Timeline makes sense. And I agree, it's a much lesser COD than it should be for a system like Vita but it has its qualities, the real sin of the game isn't that it sucks or is a lesser COD but that it's brazenly pushed for $50 when it's not worth that. Priced appropriately and it would have been a nice quick fix that'd compliment the home game; instead, they insult the fanbase and the Vita supporters by overpricing it and hiding all the cut corners until the very last second. (Activision might be laughing all the way to the bank, though, the game seems to have fallen off but it was the top-selling Vita game for a while; thankfully the more ambitious AC Liberation has taken its place on Amazon, GameStop shows them still pretty close.)
Nope just Bioshock
now that you mentioned it..
If Sony also gave 2K a $10+ or so millions for a Bioshock Vita project,then they better just let Bend Studio work on it right now because Irrational Games/2K Games will never do it and Vita might end with re-skinned Bioshock challenge Rooms developed by 2K Marin.
famousmortimer
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There aren't even rumors at this point of another game coming. Though, to be fair, we know very little about next fall on any console.
I think people are waiting to see how the dust settles after this holiday. If the Vita performed modestly strong and Cod and AC both were profitable, we might see more of the same next fall. If not I (and this is just me, not from sony sources) see the vita being mostly first party, the odd japanese title and a whole bunch of indie stuff for the foreseeable future.
Sony doesn't exactly have much cash for stuff like this,they have got their next gen console launch coming up and have to run so many different first party studios.
The_Darkest_Red
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I'm no expert on game development so I'm just speculating but it just seems strange to me that CoD can be ported to so many different platforms successfully (PS3, 360, Wii, WiiU, PC) but for some reason it can't be done on the Vita. It seems especially weird since it goes against what Sony kept saying about the system prior to launch.
A 4-guy team could get COD running on the Wii all these years but Vicarious Visions could not do it on Vita after 18 months of development?
Yeah, I will take this insider information with a grain of salt
staticneuron
Member
I am having difficulty understanding this. Why not the Xperia Play? It is much more powerful than the PSP, it has buttons, and it is a phone. What more are you looking for exactly?
I am surprised act let the ball drop so hard. It seems like a bad situation all around but the time restrictions are most likely what doomed it. Or the initial devs.
Even competent devs can drop the ball at times. I am still trying to figure out what happened with FR and "Haze".
Vyse The Legend
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It could not have been worse than Declassified. That game was such an absolute trainwreck that Nihilistic changed their name to distance themselves from it.
Sidenote, I will give Nihilistic credit for creating maybe two of the most disappointing games on the Vita in less than a year. They sure can produce turds quickly and efficiently!
Sidenote, I will give Nihilistic credit for creating maybe two of the most disappointing games on the Vita in less than a year. They sure can produce turds quickly and efficiently!
If the famousmortimer's post is correct, then they believed the game would have a 2 year development period and that the game would be handled with care. lol.
Such a great moment.
It's sad and funny to reflect back on the NGP/Vita reveal hype. To be fair, it sounded like there was alot of developer support, but those were just words and not real commitments.
Also this thread is great in hindsight.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=431550
mocolostrocolos
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I'd really have prefered Sony waited a couple of months to release Declassified.
Q1 looks very empty in the West, and this title could've been the key piece in the blank spot that's coming.
Q1 looks very empty in the West, and this title could've been the key piece in the blank spot that's coming.
AranhaHunter
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If what you're saying is true, Sony paid $24 million for two subpar games developed by a B developer and a crappy developer. For that money they could have gotten GTA SAS, MH, DQ, or FF. All games that have proven to be able to sell on handhelds. Or they could have made Acti and Ubi guarantee that IW/Treyarch/AC studio are the ones working on it or they have to repay the money. Or they could have used that money to buy a small developer or two, possibly in Japan, and set up their own studios to continue with their MH clone (SS), develop a DQ clone, and reboot LoD and other RPGs, genres that sell on handhelds, especially in Japan.
chickdigger802
Banned
What are the odds of a CoD vita next year?
Doubt Sony was too happy about declassified.
Doubt Sony was too happy about declassified.
twinturbo2
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I hope Activision makes another COD game for the Vita and actually puts some fucking quality into it. I was interested in Declassified, but the first impressions scared me off.
metalslimer
Member
Probably not much. Activision is going to have their hands full enough getting a Durango version out there let alone to be worried about handhelds. Activision doesn't give a shit. They probably made a very lucrative amount of cash off the deal and they get to walk away with no damage done to the brand.
Didn't they just create a specific COD team for portable releases ( mobile and handheld)?
Father_Brain
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Well, Sony's entire strategy for Vita outside Japan has been hinged on the notion of a large, untapped audience of teen/adult males who want to play console-style 3D games on the go. If you believe (or need to believe) that that audience exists, securing an exclusive* installment in the most popular such console franchise would seem like a sensible idea, at least on paper.
*Which admittedly doesn't fit with the part about a BOII port, but maybe that's erroneous? Dunno.
Agent X
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Activision should release a Tony Hawk game for Vita, perhaps as a downloadable game. I remember Tony Hawk's Underground 2 Remix for PSP being an excellent conversion, and that was a North American launch title for the system.
Oh man, I've got NFS:MW for Vita sitting here for the last two days, still sealed. I think I'll go give it a try now.
Oh man, I've got NFS:MW for Vita sitting here for the last two days, still sealed. I think I'll go give it a try now.
I've own all Call of Duties on the 360 and all of them actually run really well.
Barkley's Justice
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Nobody wants to work on a game for 5 months. I'm sure they hated the finished project. Enough to change names and bounce console dev entirely.
nhlducks35
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Notice he said PS3
BomberMouse
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It's amazing. Play it.
DiscoJer
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This is why the Vita is screwed. Rather than people seeing how flat out amazing the game is on the Vita, all people do is point out how it's not a perfect port of the PS3 version.
Though I gotta say, if it had 2x the traffic, it would be unplayable.
frankie_baby
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almost certainly for 3ds and iphone
SirIgbyCeaser
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Even though everyone is calling activision assholes right now, they probably will do a better cod game on vita next time, not just as a good jester, but also just because they'd want a good metacritic score on the next cod handheld game to make up for this one's faults.
Chittagong
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This has always facinated me: how do you replicate the feel of a game when building an all new engine, so that the distinct gameplay feels exactly the same, especially for something as well known as CoD? What kinds of variables would be most crucial in nailing the feel?
well its touted as a multiplatform game so people expect it to be the same game as the 360 and ps3 version. and if this is the future of vita, we could see it being included in digital foundry analysis of multiplatform games and vita will lose every one of it.
Actually, compared to most PS3 ports the Call of Duty games perform spectacularly close to their 360 originals. Well, at least the IW ones anyway. As far back as COD4 that developer has been hailed for the quality of their PS3 ports.
As for the reason why they abandoned a straight Vita port of BLOPSII, only reason I can think up, as mentioned earlier in this thread, was the weak Vita launch.
Chuck Norris
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Why did they rush it out? It probably would have done better outside of the November time frame anyway
ScreenSplitter
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I know VV aren't as bad as Nihilistic, but they're still not grand. Don't know why anybody cares.
Very much agree. NFS is probably the best handheld racer ever made - I even prefer the Vita version to playing the PC version - the physics are too arcade and fun for me to get all serious to play on the TV.
Pick-up and play open world with awesome cars? The lower traffic count 'issue' was blown way out of proportion as the only footage we had for a long time was a 23second clip in a remote area where only one car was seen.
The game is excellent and is probably very near to wipeout for my playtime. Paid £40 and have no regrets.
Only complaint is that the police are too easy on Vita (too hard on other systems though).
Many games suit the vita better than their console counterparts for me and the visual compromise is a non-issue for most games, given the advantages of having it completely in your hands (and with standby).
Agent X
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OK, I'm back from playing it.
Yeah, they did a heck of a job with the game. I'm highly impressed!
It's not so much love for VV, but rather understanding how Call of Duty: Black Ops Declassified came to be.
I really doubt there will ever be another Call of Duty on Vita, and if there is it'll be a port of a 3DS/iOS game.
jimmypython
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Sony should've gone to the blizzard side of AB to get diablo 3 or WOW on the Vita instead...
famousmortimer
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I think you think 24 million dollars is a lot more money than it actually is. 24 million dollars couldn't get IW to write a design document let alone make a game. And it's just an assumption that Ubi got the same deal, no one has explicitly said that. In fact I haven't seen any sony-made adverts for it so there may have been no deal at all other than for the pack in. Who knows.
I agree that my info should be taken with a grain of salt. The stuff in Tak's OP, however, should be taken as what happened. And that's what happened. VV worked on it, it wasn't good enough, Nihilistic came in after resistance shipped and made declassified which evidently is better than what VV made. That's fact.