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[Mr. Banana Grabber]

I live in America. However, protestants are generally the more overlooked or at least more ignored versions of Christianity. Like....where I live it is predominantly protestant yet the further north you travel the more catholics you'll find.

The reason I differentiate though is because I don't like being associated with the catholic church. I have always found the vast amounts of political and spiritual grandeur that the Vatican participates in rather unnecessary. Besides, whenever some scandal pops up somewhere (most of the times in the catholic church) they just generalize the scandals as being "in the church". When, in fact, protestant and catholic churches differ greatly and many of the protestant churches have denounced a lot of the actions and opinions made by many of the higher ranking officials in the catholic church.

Protestantism is probably ignored because it has no defining traits other than it's not Catholic. Protestantism is the majority religion in America but nobody ever calls themselves Protestant, they're Baptist or Lutheran or Methodist or whatever. None of these sects have many distinct traits to outsiders so Protestant religions have ended up as being very localized and small. People don't refer to "The Church" as all religious people or all Christians, just the Catholic Church. The reason for this is because the Catholic Church has a very defined hierarchy from the ground up and is very active in the world community. There's not really a single voice for all of Protestantism do there's not really a single Church for it either.

 

[Aurvant]

Yeah too bad you're LOSING in the US these days because of that.

We have Texas now, buddy. It's all over for you rabble rousing iconoclasts!

Spoiler

I'm a Catholic joke character, BTW. I think if you were the yang to my yin we could seriously have some fun in the OT.

@censored

-w0rd-

Yes, I said that.

 

[dasein]

How does one "inflict" poverty?

See third sin, i.e., sin #3

 

[methane47]

- Environmental pollution - Check
- Genetic manipulation
- Accumulating excessive wealth - Check
- Inflicting poverty - Check
- Drug trafficking and consumption - Check
- Morally debatable experiments
- Violation of fundamental rights of human nature - Check

G.W.B.

 

[widgetraf]

 

[TrueReligion]

That's a nice list of shit. Especially the "accumulating wealth" part.

 

[Dali]

- Environmental pollution
- Genetic manipulation
- Accumulating excessive wealth
- Inflicting poverty
- Drug trafficking and consumption
- Morally debatable experiments
- Violation of fundamental rights of human nature

At first I was thinking this meant something like genocide or just basically the unfair treatment of other people. Then I read it again and the wording has me thinking this is referring to gays. Does this sound right to anyone else?

 

[Hcoregamer00]

I thought liberal GAF would be agreeing with this, I guessed wrong since you will find any excuse to hate on organized religion.

 

[grandjedi6]

At first I was thinking this meant something like genocide or just basically the unfair treatment of other people. Then I read it again and the wording has me thinking this is referring to gays. Does this sound right to anyone else?

Who cares what they meant, I'm running with what I have. Vatican supports Gay Rights!

I thought liberal GAF would be agreeing with this, I guessed wrong since you will find any excuse to hate on organized religion.

This thread is actually pretty low on the Religion hating. The list is simply flawed, no matter what camp you come from

 

[ShinOkazaki]

- Environmental pollution - Got this one
- Genetic manipulation
- Accumulating excessive wealth - Yup, got it.
- Inflicting poverty
- Drug trafficking and consumption -This one too.
- Morally debatable experiments
- Violation of fundamental rights of human nature

So i'm going to hell even with these new sins?
Damn.

 

[Dali]

I thought liberal GAF would be agreeing with this, I guessed wrong since you will find any excuse to hate on organized religion.

I don't know if I'm a member of liberal GAF, but not everything is black and white until religion wraps it's paws around a subject. Then people completely throw common sense out the window because they are following a higher power that is doing the thinking for them.

Take the drug trafficking issue. What if scientists made a THC pill that affected a person in the same way as marijuana only was much more concentrated and powerful? Weed would still be illegal, but this more powerful version would not be. So according to this list some people would be committing a mortal sin (I'm just assuming their definition of drugs is really "illegal drugs") but some wouldn't. The basis for an eternity in hell would be man's laws? I thought God's laws trumped man's laws?

Same for genetic manipulation. This guy is saying he believes it's a mortal sin to cure a child of Down's syndrome. Or if a cancer gene could be identified and removed that would be worthy of an eternity in hell?

Yeah some of this stuff is great, but having religious backing of any of it only complicates the issues.

 

[Karakand]

That's a nice list of shit. Especially the "accumulating wealth" part.

I believe it was "excessive" you were supposed to zero in on there, not "wealth".

I know insurance for a Ferrari is soooooooooooo much but it's really not that radical a concept. I'm pretty sure the 68% percent of GAF that are godless commies would agree with it. (The 30% that are Libertopians of course wouldn't.)

 

[WickedAngel]

Excessive wealth...like that which they require to purchase all those fancy little uniforms and gold-trimmed hats.

I guess they forgot to add "Raping Children" to the list...must've slipped their minds.

 

[Karakand]

Not all Catholics are down with that shit.

I found it pretty offensive when the Catholic Worker shelter I would volunteer at in Orange County (it's not gone I believe because it was violating building codes or something) was struggling to get by while Cardinal Mahony was building that eyesore of a cathedral for the Archdiocese of Los Angeles.

But such is life...

 

[godhandiscen]

- Environmental pollution
- Genetic manipulation
- Accumulating excessive wealth
- Inflicting poverty
- Drug trafficking and consumption
- Morally debatable experiments
- Violation of fundamental rights of human nature


So fucking glad to be a sinner!

At first I was thinking this meant something like genocide or just basically the unfair treatment of other people. Then I read it again and the wording has me thinking this is referring to gays. Does this sound right to anyone else?

You got it.

 

[ItAintEasyBeinCheesy]

What molesting children isnt a sin still?

 

[Guileless]

Misunderstanding by the mainstream English-language media getting ahead of itself.

When a second-tier Vatican official gives a newspaper interview, he is not proclaiming new Church doctrines. Archbishop Girotti was obviously trying to offer a new, provocative perspective on some enduring truths. The effort backfired-- but in a very revealing way.

An ordinary reader, basing his opinion only on the inane Telegraph coverage, might conclude that a "sin," in the Catholic understanding, is nothing more than a violation of rules set down by a group of men in Rome. If these rules are entirely arbitrary, then Vatican officials can change them at will; some sins will cease to exist and other "new sins" will replace them. But that notion of sin is ludicrous.

Sin is an objective wrong: a violation of God's law. What is sinful today will be sinful tomorrow, and a deadly sin will remain deadly, whether or not Telegraph editors recognize the moral danger. The traditional list of deadly sins remains intact; nothing has replaced it. Greed, gluttony, and lust are as wrong today as they were a day or a year or a century ago. If Archbishop Girotti referred to "new" sins, it is because some of the offenses he named (such as genetic manipulation) were impossible in the past, and others (such as international drug trafficking) are much more prevalent today, in a global society. Insofar as people could have engaged in these activities a century ago, they would have been sinful then as well.

http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=57130

 

[glaurung]

I did not know the pope was bored.

Nice list.

 

[Kowak]

I just want to know when those lolicons will feel the wrath of the Vatican.

Raping children is a sin and the sins the Vatican announced where those that deal with modern day situations.

 

[Aurvant]

I did not know the pope was bored.

Nice list.

Isn't he always bored? Apparently on REALLY slow days he decides to liven things up with controversial revelations.

He made some comment a few months back that kinda went along the lines that only Catholic churches are "real" churches and that Protestants dont have the power of apostleship or something and therefore are not ordained.

Yeah, he gets bored....a lot.

 

[Mr. Banana Grabber]

Isn't he always bored? Apparently on REALLY slow days he decides to liven things up with controversial revelations.

He made some comment a few months back that kinda went along the lines that only Catholic churches are "real" churches and that Protestants dont have the power of apostleship or something and therefore are not ordained.

Yeah, he gets bored....a lot.

Well he's right, the Catholic Church stems from Peter the Apostle, Protestant churches don't.

Secondively, this wasn't the pope and thirdly, what else would the Pope be doing if he weren't bored? It's his job to do stuff like this.

 

[Flo_Evans]

I don't know if I'm a member of liberal GAF, but not everything is black and white until religion wraps it's paws around a subject. Then people completely throw common sense out the window because they are following a higher power that is doing the thinking for them.

Take the drug trafficking issue. What if scientists made a THC pill that affected a person in the same way as marijuana only was much more concentrated and powerful? Weed would still be illegal, but this more powerful version would not be. So according to this list some people would be committing a mortal sin (I'm just assuming their definition of drugs is really "illegal drugs") but some wouldn't. The basis for an eternity in hell would be man's laws? I thought God's laws trumped man's laws?

Same for genetic manipulation. This guy is saying he believes it's a mortal sin to cure a child of Down's syndrome. Or if a cancer gene could be identified and removed that would be worthy of an eternity in hell?

Yeah some of this stuff is great, but having religious backing of any of it only complicates the issues.

They can already make synthetic THC http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/16/health/main1622376.shtml

 

[Xisiqomelir]

- Drug trafficking and consumption

I see Big Pharma hasn't been paying its respects :lol

 

[Herpes Reasons]

Well he's right, the Catholic Church stems from Peter the Apostle, Protestant churches don't.

Secondively, this wasn't the pope and thirdly, what else would the Pope be doing if he weren't bored? It's his job to do stuff like this.

All manuscripts about peter being in rome was written hundreds of years after his death. most scholars regard it as ficticious writings. the bible never said he was in rome, nor did the bible speak of his death.
Yet the catholic church claims it has built its church on top of the burial of simon peter the apostle.

anyways, back to that stupid list.

 

[Karakand]

Misunderstanding by the mainstream English-language media getting ahead of itself.

Man I knew it. KNEW IT.

Well he's right, the Catholic Church stems from Peter the Apostle, Protestant churches don't.

Well Diet Catholics (Anglicans) claim apostolic succession. But as already indicated, they're not really Protestant in the traditional sense.

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

If they get Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman to do this sequel, it'll suck.

 

[Mr. Banana Grabber]

All manuscripts about peter being in rome was written hundreds of years after his death. most scholars regard it as ficticious writings. the bible never said he was in rome, nor did the bible speak of his death.
Yet the catholic church claims it has built its church on top of the burial of simon peter the apostle.

anyways, back to that stupid list.

You're saying that Peter's body is not in Rome. I'm saying that Peter was an apostle.

You're not Xenon from SA are you?

vvv

 

[Xenon]

What molesting children isnt a sin still?

That would be like making donuts illegal

 

[Pimpwerx]

I don't understand. If something is morally debateable, how is it still a sin? Aren't the morals still up for debate? The Vatican is run by asses. PEACE.

 

[speculawyer]

I think we need to make our own list of sins I'll create:
1) Try not to deep fry all of your food.
2) Thou shalt not tell areas of the world suffering from incurable sexual transmitted diseases not to use condoms.
3) Thou shalt not take ancient advice that has been clearly out-dated so seriously such as religious proscriptions against various foods. (Shellfish, pork, etc.)

 

[Anerythristic]

All manuscripts about peter being in rome was written hundreds of years after his death. most scholars regard it as ficticious writings. the bible never said he was in rome, nor did the bible speak of his death.
Yet the catholic church claims it has built its church on top of the burial of simon peter the apostle.

anyways, back to that stupid list.

Hmm, with this comment and the "whore of babylon" comment, I have read this before.

JW?

 

[Herpes Reasons]

You're saying that Peter's body is not in Rome. I'm saying that Peter was an apostle.

You're not Xenon from SA are you?

vvv

if simon peter was never buried in rome, and i might add, he was never in rome to begin with. then therefore, your claims of the catholic church stems from simon peter to be invalid.
if that claim was true, then the catholic church should focus its doctrines on 1st and 2nd peter only.

Hmm, with this comment and the "whore of babylon" comment, I have read this before.

JW?

that was joke. a poor joke i might add. a reference to the book of revelations and the identity of the "whore of babylon."

 

[DarkJediKnight]

I thought the title said:

"Seven Modern Metal Songs according to the Vatican".

I had to do a double take. :lol

 

[Mr. Banana Grabber]

if simon peter was never buried in rome, and i might add, he was never in rome to begin with. then therefore, your claims of the catholic church stems from simon peter to be invalid.
if that claim was true, then the catholic church should focus its doctrines of 1st and 2nd peter only.

So you're saying that if Peter wasn't in Rome then by default, Jesus never made Peter the first Pope?

 

[Anerythristic]

that was joke. a poor joke i might add. a reference to the book of revelations and the identity of the "whore of babylon."

Oh it's fine, I was just wondering. I have people that I know that talk like that they are Jehovah Witnesses. I don't want to get too personal.

 

[Herpes Reasons]

So you're saying that if Peter wasn't in Rome then by default, Jesus never made Peter the first Pope?

nope. Peter was heralded the 1st pope around the birth of catholicism. He was an apostle, and forerunner of christianity, nothing else.

edit: its claims of origin is bullshit. and to this day, its claim of superiority is still bullshit. The vatican is the worst thing that happened to Christianity, ihmo.

 

[Karakand]

if simon peter was never buried in rome, and i might add, he was never in rome to begin with. then therefore, your claims of the catholic church stems from simon peter to be invalid.
if that claim was true, then the catholic church should focus its doctrines on 1st and 2nd peter only.

Apostolic succession stems from stuff like Matthew 16:18, not that he was in Rome.

 

[Guileless]

I don't understand. If something is morally debateable, how is it still a sin? Aren't the morals still up for debate? The Vatican is run by asses. PEACE.

I don't think it's news that scientists are pushing barriers via bioengineering breakthroughs that make reasonable people question where lines should be drawn. Scientists can now create ethical quandaries that were unimaginable just a few years ago. The moral standards don't change, but the possibilities of science have broadened so quickly and so comprehensively that there is a lot of room for debate.

Instead of reflexively ridiculing the Vatican because it is the Vatican, I wish some of you would take some time to think about the possibilities of a biotech revolution that is financed by multinational corporations and is not ethically constrained.

 

[Herpes Reasons]

Apostolic succession stems from stuff like Matthew 16:18, not that he was in Rome.

Peter will be the rock on which the church will be built. jesus said that before He was cruciffied. fast forward, give or take 40years, peter writes letters to the gentiles of asia minor.churches we're built based on his letters, and to this day, those churches (orthodox) still exist. I could argue Jesus was speaking about those orthodox churches in asia minor and not the catholic church.

 

[lastendconductor]

I approve of that list.

 

[Karakand]

Peter will be the rock on which the church will be built. jesus said that before He was cruciffied. fast forward, give or take 40years, peter writes letters to the gentiles of asia minor.churches we're built based on his letters, and to this day, those churches (orthodox) still exist to this day. I could argue Jesus was speaking about those orthodox churches in asia minor and not the catholic church.

Jesus bestowed the sacrament of Holy Order on the 12 Disciples (e.g. John 20:21). These dudes were supposed to lead the community in His absence and oversee the spread of the good word. As He bestowed these mantles on them, thus they were to bestow the mantles to others, so that the flock would not go astray so to speak. The current College of Bishops in the Vatican is the current incarnation of this "chain". (at least according to them)

You're more than welcome to argue that those other churches inherited Jesus' leadership. Or that the Papacy is a fake institution. I'm more of a Cultural Catholic than a religious one (while I was typing up that synopsis I felt like that one Muslim GAFer that says witches exist all the time) so I'm not going to get pissy about it. I might go into joke character mode and shout you down, but it's nothing personal, just gotta play the role that fell to me. The point I was trying to make is that the Vatican has constructed a fairly elaborate and detailed justification and origin for their institution, not something simple like "oh Peter was in Rome".