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[Dark Rider]

That's because Premier League games are on TV a lot here in the US, whereas La Liga and Bundesliga games are much harder to find. To be a knowledgable fan of those leagues, you'd need to either subscribe to some obscure cable channel and/or be willing to illegally stream a lot of the games.

I tried summing it up to the best of my ability in the OP. Premier games are actually on normal tv here so it's easier to see why people have a very general knowledge about it. Manchester United is seriously on tv every weekend here so everyone knows them. They've gotten less coverage since ESPN dropped their tv rights to NBC but still. NBC now plays a weekly PL game on Saturdays so everyone in America gets that game even if you don't pay for cable.

Players though no one knows any of them outside Messi and Ronaldo. If you mentioned their names people would be like oh yeah theyre soccer players. Mention Bale or Rooney no one knows wtf they are. Those first two are always on Sports Center top plays so they get a lot of exposure and that helps. There's a third guy whose been on a ton recently. Can't think of his name

I understand this and aware of it. I just wonder why would they choose not to go with best football out there nowadays in Spain or Germany?
Putting the EPL is nice and it is a good league but the USA is new comers so I thought looking at the best out there (Spain and Germany) would be ideal to start viewing because you want to show the sport in it's best form to give sense of how the game in its glory (these days anyways) is played like so the audience would have a better picture of the sport. I' am DEFINITELY not saying the EPL is bad in fact it is good but my point was why not go for the best then expand to others? after the Spain and Germany football I would but England and Italy football so in the end you are still in the top 4 I guess.

It also probably helps that we share a language with England.

That is actually the only reason I could come up with. But I thought that there was more to it

I like the dude who said that the Netherlands won the last world cup.

Maybe in an Alternative universe where Iker didn't deny you every single goal opportunity

 

[AfterVirtue]

Have we decided what the purpose of this thread is yet?

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Are scores the only thing that matter in sports? What about plays? Strategies? I mean come on. I can see where you're coming from but scores can't be the only reason you watch sports.

Also, somewhat unrelated, when they DO score in soccer it is much more heavily weighted, which I like.

Scoring is the most important thing about sports. Good plays and strategy should be lead ups so that a person has an opportunity to score, or prevent someone else from scoring. It's not the scoring that matters, it's the excitement and build up of the score, which the plays and strategies are a part of.

I've seen hockey games and baseball games that end in 1-0 scores. But those games were amazing because there were so many opportunities for the score to change and good plays and strategies prevented that from happening. I don't get that watching soccer. There are a lot of stretches in soccer games where I know nothing will happen because the field is so large and the people with the ball are no where near in position to do anything interesting with it.

 

[stef t97]

You can post goal porn all you want, but the average game has absolutely none of it; the slow, plodding affair rarely produces moments of excitement.

Clearly never watched a Liverpool match then. Seriously though NFL is getting a lot bigger over here. I don't watch it nor do i give a shit about it but i could name at least 4 teams though.

 

[IceCold]

Scoring is the most important thing about sports. Good plays and strategy should be lead ups so that a person has an opportunity to score, or prevent someone else from scoring. It's not the scoring that matters, it's the excitement and build up of the score, which the plays and strategies are a part of.

I've seen hockey games and baseball games that end in 1-0 scores. But those games were amazing because there were so many opportunities for the score to change and good plays and strategies prevented that from happening. I don't get that watching soccer. There are a lot of stretches in soccer games where I know nothing will happen because the field is so large and the people with the ball are no where near in position to do anything interesting with it.

There are many entertaining soccer games that end in a goaless draws.

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

Scoring is the most important thing about sports. Good plays and strategy should be lead ups so that a person has an opportunity to score, or prevent someone else from scoring. It's not the scoring that matters, it's the excitement and build up of the score, which the plays and strategies are a part of.

I've seen hockey games and baseball games that end in 1-0 scores. But those games were amazing because there were so many opportunities for the score to change and good plays and strategies prevented that from happening. I don't get that watching soccer. There are a lot of stretches in soccer games where I know nothing will happen because the field is so large and the people with the ball are no where near in position to do anything interesting with it.

wow

i dont even

 

[SHarris78]

Scoring is the most important thing about sports. Good plays and strategy should be lead ups so that a person has an opportunity to score, or prevent someone else from scoring. It's not the scoring that matters, it's the excitement and build up of the score, which the plays and strategies are a part of.

I've seen hockey games and baseball games that end in 1-0 scores. But those games were amazing because there were so many opportunities for the score to change and good plays and strategies prevented that from happening. I don't get that watching soccer. There are a lot of stretches in soccer games where I know nothing will happen because the field is so large and the people with the ball are no where near in position to do anything interesting with it.

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[depths20XX]

What's up with calling it, "footy"? C'mon guys, step it up. That term is way too cute to catch on with Americans.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

There are many entertaining soccer games that end in a goaless draws.

I'm sure there are. But those games probably had many opportunities for it not to be a goalless draw. Like I said, it's not about the scoring, it's about the scoring chances and there are significantly less of those in soccer then most of the sports that are popular in America. People like defense just as much as they like offense, but no one is going to care how good defenses are if the offenses never get close enough to scoring to make it interesting.

A 1-0 hockey game could be damn exciting if it's 1-0 because both defenses really stepped it up when the other team is close to scoring. I would consider it a boring game if it was only 1-0 because no one had the ability to take the puck past mid-ice and both teams got only a few shots on goal because the puck kept getting stolen back and forth in the neutral zone.

?

wow

i dont even

There are significantly less shots on goal in a game of soccer then there are in a game of hockey if you're going by averages. It's because of the size of the ice rink comparative to the soccer field. Soccer players have a bigger space to travel to get in scoring position, and hockey is a quicker game.

 

[heyf00L]

That's neat, but the way I see it if it doesn't result in a goal, then it doesn't matter. What happens right after this, a turnover followed by another turnover, and another, ad nauseum?

Other sports do a better job of making each play and other little things matter. In basketball each turnover is a huge deal. In football, every yard is a big deal, even if you don't score, because field position is a big factor.

And while commercials are certainly overdone in American sports, I do like the occasional break. There is some appeal to continuous play, but bonus time sucks. It's so frustrating to see the winning team substitute a player from the other side of the field. It puts the game in the referee's hands, and any time a sport's referees decide the game something is wrong.

 

[daviyoung]

In football, every yard is a big deal, even if you don't score, because field position is a big factor.

This is the same in football.

 

[Dark Rider]

This is the same in football.

I find it cute that lack of knowledge of the strategies and what each pass/position and change of position mean in football leads to thinking its just nothing happening and or nothing promising is building up

 

[SHarris78]

In basketball each turnover is a huge deal.

I'm not sure about that one. In the last couple of minutes of the 4th quarter sure, but not so much any earlier. I'm not bashing btw, I enjoy watching the NBA.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

This is the same in football.

It matters more in American football because there is more then one way to score.

Strategically you don't have to get to the end zone to score, so a defense stopping someone 30 yards away from a TD means less then them stopping someone 45 yards away from the TD because in one of those situations it's still relatively easy to still score and make up some of your deficit or add to your lead.

 

[Ryaaan14]

I know that soccer games can end in a 0-0 tie. That's really all I need to know about the sport.

 

[Dark Rider]

It matters more in American football because there is more then one way to score.

can you quantify it to support your argument?
turnovers are devastating in football

Strategically you don't have to get to the end zone to score, so a defense stopping someone 30 yards away from a TD means less then them stopping someone 45 yards away from the TD because in one of those situations it's still relatively easy to still score and make up some of your deficit or add to your lead.

you realize that this also happen in football?

 

[xbhaskarx]

As an American soccer fan I was going to ignore this...

Liverton? Fuck off..

...but now I have to watch.

Liverton, that is amazing... that's like when Presidential candidate John Kerry said his favorite baseball player was "Manny Ortez"...

 

[daemissary]

I know that soccer games can end in a 0-0 tie. That's really all I need to know about the sport.

Theoretically, a football game could too. It just isn't nearly as likely.

I don't want anyone to be mistaken though...I'm not defending soccer, it is the worst. The best part is when soccer fans say "Well, you just don't understand the game." And I get to say "I played for 14 years and was on a state championship winning team. I understand it, it is just boring as sin."

 

[Zen_Arcade]

can you quantify it to support your argument?
turnovers are devastating in football



you realize that this also happen in football?

How can you score in soccer without scoring a goal?

 

[xbhaskarx]

That's neat, but the way I see it if it doesn't result in a goal, then it doesn't matter.

 

[Pollux]

I'm still pissed about this game.

 

[IceCold]

Theoretically, a football game could too. It just isn't nearly as likely.

I don't want anyone to be mistaken though...I'm not defending soccer, it is the worst. The best part is when soccer fans say "Well, you just don't understand the game." And I get to say "I played for 14 years and was on a state championship winning team. I understand it, it is just boring as sin."

So you played a sport you find boring for 14 years? Lulz.

 

[Dark Rider]

How can you score in soccer without scoring a goal?

your reply did not include scoring in American football without scoring
it was explaining how even if you was far from a TD you could score some points to close the gape
and my point is that in football although the defense could hold you far from the goal area you are still able to score, in fact in this very thread there is a gif example of it

 

[KingGondo]

The thing that really made me love soccer is the fact that scoring is so hard to do, which gives matches a huge amount of tension. It also makes goals extremely exciting and momentous, which isn't the case for most touchdowns, and definitely isn't the case for the vast majority of baskets.

If you go up 1-0, that's massive; but as long as you're only up one you're susceptible to giving up an equalizer (and potentially points in the standings). Most games carry some sort of relevance toward where the team ultimately ends up at the end of the season.

Relegation, Champions League spots, and in-season tournaments give fans plenty of reason to care about every game, even if your team sucks. If your team sucks in the NBA, you just pray that you can attract a big free agent or get a high draft pick the next season.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a pretty big sports fan and actively follow American football, soccer, and basketball. They're all different, and that's part of the beauty of it.

I know that soccer games can end in a 0-0 tie. That's really all I need to know about the sport.

0-0 ties can happen in American football as well.

So you played a sport you find boring for 14 years? Lulz.

I was gonna say... Must have sucked to be him.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

your reply did not include scoring in American football without scoring
it was explaining how even if you was far from a TD you could score some points to close the gape
and my point is that although the defense could hold you far from the goal area you are still able to score, in fact in this very thread there is a gif example of it

The difference is that scoring that way in soccer is less likely then someone kicking a 30 yard field goal. That field goal should be routine for a kicker, they happen nearly every game.

The multiple ways to score points mean that field position is more of a factor. Even if you run three plays in other parts of the field you would have to punt and get no score at all. You could run three plays, gain zero yards and still have a good chance at getting points if the other team turns it over at a bad spot. Football has more field where you are in reasonable scoring position.

 

[Dark Rider]

The difference is that scoring that way in soccer is less likely then someone kicking a 30 yard field goal. That field goal should be routine for a kicker, they happen nearly every game.

The multiple ways to score points mean that field position is more of a factor. Even if you run three plays in other parts of the field you would have to punt and get no score at all. You could run three plays, gain zero yards and still have a good chance at getting points if the other team turns it over at a bad spot. Football has more field where you are in reasonable scoring position.

I disagree. In fact shots from outside the box in football is one of the strategies applied in football, and the outcome is far more complex than just scoring a goal because even if that long shot did not get to the back of the net the team still gain strategic positions. Field position in football does not include how your team members position themselves only but also what strategies to apply to influence the positioning of your opponent team members. If you shoot from outside the box often with high precision then you would force more defense members to go higher on the field to push you further and/or more med-field players to go down to you to do that pressure which in turn will open up more spots for your team mates to control positions for better shots at the goal all while your opponent can't determine if it will be another shoot on target or a cross to a team mate who got a better position as a result of you drawing the defense up to you. This is a simple example.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

I disagree. In fact shots from outside the box in football is one of the strategies implied in football, and the outcome is far more complex than just scoring a goal because even if that long shot did not get to the back of the net the team still gain strategic positions. Field position in football does not include how your team members position themselves only but also what strategies to implies to influence the positioning of your opponent team members. If you shoot from outside the box often with high precision then you would force more defense members to go higher on the field to push you further and/or more med-field players to go down to you to do that pressure which in turn will open up more spot for your team mates control positions for better shoots at the goal all while your opponent can't determine if it will be another shoot on target or a cross to a team mate who got a better position as a result of you drawing the defense up to you. This is a simple example.

Literally all of that occurs in American Football. It just happens per down instead of fluidly. Plus the added catch that in football you don't even have to score a Touchdown (Which would be equivalent to a goal in soccer) to get points but also have to keep them even further away from the end zone.

In soccer your job as a defense is just to keep the ball away from the goal, in football your job as a defense is to keep them at least 40 yards from the goal, because even if they don't get a touchdown they can still get points without ever even sniffing the goal line. This doesn't happen in soccer. As long as you guard the goal you're golden, you could never let up a touchdown in football and still lose the game through accumulated field goals.

 

[SamVimes]

Theoretically, a football game could too. It just isn't nearly as likely.

I don't want anyone to be mistaken though...I'm not defending soccer, it is the worst. The best part is when soccer fans say "Well, you just don't understand the game." And I get to say "I played for 14 years and was on a state championship winning team. I understand it, it is just boring as sin."

This is an example of how terrible americans are at football if someone that doesn't understand the sport at all manages to be a on state championship winning team.

Literally all of that occurs in American Football. It just happens per down instead of fluidly. Plus the added catch that in football you don't even have to score a Touchdown (Which would be equivalent to a goal in soccer) to get points but also have to keep them even further away from the end zone.

In soccer your job as a defense is just to keep the ball away from the goal, in football your job as a defense is to keep them at least 40 yards from the goal, because even if they don't get a touchdown they can still get points without ever even sniffing the goal line. This doesn't happen in soccer. As long as you guard the goal you're golden, you could never let up a touchdown in football and still lose the game through accumulated field goals.

This doesn't make sense at all. It doesn't matter if you only get points by scoring, the positioning game is still there because obviously a team that is allowed to get near the goal has more chances to score than someone that is kept away.

 

[Linius]

That's neat, but the way I see it if it doesn't result in a goal, then it doesn't matter.

This is how we roll in Amsterdam, scoring goals.

 

[KingGondo]

Literally all of that occurs in American Football. It just happens per down instead of fluidly. Plus the added catch that in football you don't even have to score a Touchdown (Which would be equivalent to a goal in soccer) to get points but also have to keep them even further away from the end zone.

In soccer your job as a defense is just to keep the ball away from the goal, in football your job as a defense is to keep them at least 40 yards from the goal, because even if they don't get a touchdown they can still get points without ever even sniffing the goal line. This doesn't happen in soccer. As long as you guard the goal you're golden, you could never let up a touchdown in football and still lose the game through accumulated field goals.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone argue that American football is superior because of field goals.

Sure, it's different. But there are many 1-0 soccer matches I'd rather watch than the first LSU-Bama game from 2011.

FWIW, I like both sports. But there are boring as hell football games, and boring as hell soccer matches. And there are amazingly exciting examples of both as well.

 

[Barzul]

I understand this and aware of it. I just wonder why would they choose not to go with best football out there nowadays in Spain or Germany?
Putting the EPL is nice and it is a good league but the USA is new comers so I thought looking at the best out there (Spain and Germany) would be ideal to start viewing because you want to show the sport in it's best form to give sense of how the game in its glory (these days anyways) is played like so the audience would have a better picture of the sport. I' am DEFINITELY not saying the EPL is bad in fact it is good but my point was why not go for the best then expand to others? after the Spain and Germany football I would but England and Italy football so in the end you are still in the top 4 I guess.

Umm how are Spain and Germany the top two leagues? What criteria were you using. They have some of the best teams in Europe but in terms of overall quality of the league, both fall short to the BPL.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

This is an example of how terrible americans are at football if someone that doesn't understand the sport at all manages to be a on state championship winning team.



This doesn't make sense at all. It doesn't matter if you only get points by scoring, the positioning game is still there because obviously a team that is allowed to get near the goal has more chances to score than someone that is kept away.

The point is that you don't need to get anywhere near the goal line in football to score points. So positioning matters more because football teams routinely score from further away then soccer players. You have to keep a football team further away from a goal then you do a soccer team if you don't want them to score points.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone argue that American football is superior because of field goals.

Sure, it's different. But there are many 1-0 soccer matches I'd rather watch than the first LSU-Bama game from 2011.

FWIW, I like both sports. But there are boring as hell football games, and boring as hell soccer matches. And there are amazingly exciting examples of both as well.

I didn't say Football was better because of field goals. I said field positioning is more important in football because they routinely have the ability to score from further away then soccer players.

 

[SamVimes]

The point is that you don't need to get anywhere near the goal line in football to score points. So positioning matters more because football teams routinely score from further away then soccer players. You have to keep a football team further away from a goal then you do a soccer team if you don't want them to score points.

offense is easier in football because you don't have to actually score to get points

wow i'm a master debater

 

[Dark Rider]

Literally all of that occurs in American Football. It just happens per down instead of fluidly.

Fluidity is one of the things a lot of fans like. Because it shows how much team members can coordinate with each other AND at the same time how many strategies they have up their sleeve to implement at any given time AND how each can react to every opponent strategy as BOTH an individual and as part of the team without resorting to stop so each one of them get told what to do next.

Plus the added catch that in football you don't even have to score a Touchdown (Which would be equivalent to a goal in soccer) to get points but also have to keep them even further away from the end zone.

I disagree that TD = goal
In American football a game is ultimately won by how many points you scored.In football a game is ultimately won by how many goals you score.Therefore to me how many points you score is loosely the equivalent to goals (and I say loosely because in football one goal is one goal while in American football you gain set points and not just one point). So yes you cave score points to win just like you have to score goals to win in football. About how far you need to keep the players from the end zone, do you realize that in football even the goalkeeper from his position can score a goal on the opposite team? I've seem many goals that were shot from the mid-field line, this is not contest how far you can get the ball.

In soccer your job as a defense is just to keep the ball away from the goal, in football your job as a defense is to keep them at least 40 yards from the goal, because even if they don't get a touchdown they can still get points without ever even sniffing the goal line. This doesn't happen in soccer. As long as you guard the goal you're golden, you could never let up a touchdown in football and still lose the game through accumulated field goals.

You could never be more wrong here. Defense job extends far more than their goal line, in fact some teams defense members are known to score goals and win games for their teams. Of course a team defense must keep their goal free of goals and to do this they don't just guard the goal line but they also do a lot of position in the med-field and participate in the attacks.

EDIT:

Umm how are Spain and Germany the top two leagues? What criteria were you using. They have some of the best teams in Europe but in terms of overall quality of the league, both fall short to the BPL.

The quality of the football played by each team in those countries and not just the top 5 teams. Yes I'm including the average quality of football played by the top teams + mid-table teams + bottom of the table teams too because after all you are watch a league not just a couple of team. Add to that the fact that the Spanish and German teams are dominating Europe on BOTH the clubs level AND the National team level.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

offense is easier in football because you don't have to actually score to get points

wow i'm a master debater

Thats true. If anything it supports what I'm saying because if teams can routinely score from a larger portion of the field then obviously the field positioning matters more.

 

[Duane Cunningham]

In terms of fluidity:

Soccer is Zelda
American Football is Final Fantasy Tactics

I like em both!

 

[KingGondo]

In terms of fluidity:

Soccer is Zelda
American Football is Final Fantasy Tactics

I like em both!

You can't have it both ways!

PICK A SIDE OR DIE.

 

[terrisus]

Have we decided what the purpose of this thread is yet?

I'm gathering one of two options:
1) Laughing at the people in the video
2) Pretending that all people in the US are the same as those in the video (which is obviously false)

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Fluidity is one of the things a lot of fans like. Because it shows how much team members can coordinate with each other AND at the same time how many strategies they have up their sleeve to implement at any given time AND how each can react to every opponent strategy as BOTH an individual and as part of the team without resorting to stop so each one of them get told what to do next.



I disagree that TD = goal
In American football a game is ultimately won by how many points you scored.In football a game is ultimately won by how many goals you score.Therefore to me how many points you score is loosely the equivalent to goals (and I say loosely because in football one goal is one goal while in American football you gain set points and not just one point). So yes you cave score points to win just like you have to score goals to win in football. About how far you need to keep the players from the end zone, do you realize that in football even the goalkeeper from his position can score a goal on the opposite team? I've seem many goals that were shot from the mid-field line, this is not contest how far you can get the ball.



You could never be more wrong here. Defense job extends far more than their goal line, in fact some teams defense members are known to score goals and win games for their teams. Of course a team defense must keep their goal free of goals and to do this they don't just guard the goal line but they also do a lot of position in the med-field and participate in the attacks.

EDIT:


The quality of the football played by each team in those countries and not just the top 5 teams. Yes I'm including the average quality of football played by the top teams + mid-table teams + bottom of the table teams too because after all you are watch a league not just a couple of team. Add to that the fact that the Spanish and German teams are dominating Europe on BOTH the clubs level AND the National team level.

1) We are not arguing what people like more or is more difficult to do. We are debating importance within strategy of the game.

2) That's my entire point. In football it IS a contest on how far you can get the ball. My local NFL team won a game because we got the ball far enough to score five field goals in one game which ended up being more then their opponent had. They never scored a TD. They won by just getting the ball far enough. This isn't a factor in soccer, that's why I'm saying field position matters more in football. You have to keep a team with a good kicker at least 40 yards away from the goal line at all times if you want to ensure no scoring from the team. That's around the distance coaches usually opt to punt, because if you miss the field goal the opponent gets the ball where you left off.

3) It doesn't matter where the play is happening, the role of the defense is to make sure it doesn't get near the goal. It doesn't matter if it happens 5 feet from the goal or at midfield, the primary function of the defense is to make sure no one gets close to the goal. They play offense when it's advantageous. Football players can also play on the offense and win games. In fact the first Super Bowl my hometown NFL team won was based off Field Goals and turnovers that resulted in points. They not only won games because of the defense, but a Championship. That doesn't mean the main reason they were there wasn't to stop other people from scoring.

 

[Dark Rider]

1) We are not arguing what people like more or is more difficult to do. We are debating importance within strategy of the game.

My point from the first post was that you can't quantify how important it is and therefor you can't compare it in two different games then declare it more important in one than the other, especially when you don't have a firm grasp of the football in depth strategy of position manipulation. After that I was just trying to comment on your misconceptions about a lot of aspects of football and not trying to disprove anything you say about American football (apart from you trying to directly compare and say this concept is more important in this game than the other).

2) That's my entire point. In football it IS a contest on how far you can get the ball. My local NFL team won a game because we got the ball far enough to score five field goals in one game which ended up being more then their opponent had. They never scored a TD. They won by just getting the ball far enough. This isn't a factor in soccer, that's why I'm saying field position matters more in football. You have to keep a team with a good kicker at least 40 yards away from the goal line at all times if you want to ensure no scoring from the team. That's around the distance coaches usually opt to punt, because if you miss the field goal the opponent gets the ball where you left off.

Are you saying that in football it is not vital to get closer to the goal line?
my point was that in football scoring does not henge COMPLETELY on how far you are from the goal line but it is important to maximize your chances. Therefore you have a vast number of strategies to choose from whether you are attempting a goal from close proximity or long distance. It is also vital to consider that ties (depending on what type of tournament you are playing) is also a valid result and could win you the day. which in turn makes things even more complicated between tie and win strategies and everything in between a team can employ depending on its situation and standing in that tournament and in that match (you can see teams swing complex strategies to achieve winning or drawing which is a blast and mental pleasure to see and understand) in real time and how those players as individuals and as a team can adopt and change things right then and there while the match clock is ticking.

3) It doesn't matter where the play is happening, the role of the defense is to make sure it doesn't get near the goal. It doesn't matter if it happens 5 feet from the goal or at midfield, the primary function of the defense is to make sure no one gets close to the goal. They play offense when it's advantageous. Football players can also play on the offense and win games. In fact the first Super Bowl my hometown NFL team won was based off Field Goals and turnovers that resulted in points. They not only won games because of the defense, but a Championship. That doesn't mean the main reason they were there wasn't to stop other people from scoring.

My point is that the defense line in football main job is to keep their sheet clean however they employ much more strategies to achieve it than just to defend the goal line which result in a team playing as one body on all fronts from the front line to the mid-field to the defense line fluidly.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Are you saying that in football it is not vital to get closer to the goal line?

I'm saying in football you don't have to get as close to the goal line to score as you do in soccer on average. Many strategies even involve using the clock to get just in field goal range and kick it to win the game. There are times in the game where the point of your game plan isn't even to get to the goal, but to get close enough to kick a field goal. You can routinely score on more space of the football field then you do on a soccer field, therefore your position on the field matters more in football.

 

[gutter_trash]

People do shit like that in every sport though. Except they use their hands instead of their feet.

Because there are far more scoring opportunities in those games. There are long stretches of soccer games where nothing happens because the field is so big and there is almost no chance of anyone scoring.

I've seen tons of Hockey games with scores of 1-0 or 2-1

 

[Dark Rider]

I'm saying in football you don't have to get as close to the goal line to score as you do in soccer on average.

This addition to your initial statement changes everything. The reason behind this IMHO is the type of the goal you have. Football goal posts are MUCH smaller than that of American football, in fact in American football you even can haul the ball as high as you want away from the reach of any player and you will get points given that your ball actually reaches the target to get the points which in football is not possible because it must be between the 3 posts so there is no path for the ball to the net in which it is impossible to intercept the ball. So yes you don't need to get close to the goal because as long as you can kick the ball strong enough to cover the distance then no body can stop your ball to hand you points while on the other hand in football there is no path that is out of reach, the players need to create that opening to shoot the ball into the net.

Many strategies even involve using the clock to get just in field goal range and kick it to win the game. There are times in the game where the point of your game plan isn't even to get to the goal, but to get close enough to kick a field goal. You can routinely score on more space of the football field then you do on a soccer field, therefore your position on the field matters more in football.

Actually it makes it less important. what is important is if you are in range or not. The smaller goal on the other hand in football makes your position more important and not just your proximity from the goal line.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

This addition to your initial statement changes everything. The reason behind this IMHO is the type of the goal you have. Football goal posts are MUCH smaller than that of American football, in fact in American football you even can haul the ball as high as you want away from the reach of any player and you will get points given that your ball actually reaches the target to get the points which in football is not possible because it must be between the 3 posts so there is no path for the ball to the net in which it is impossible to intercept the ball. So yes you don't need to get close to the goal because as long as you can kick the ball strong enough to cover the distance then no body can stop your ball to hand you points while on the other hand in football there is no path that is out of reach, the players need to create that opening to shoot the ball into the net.



Actually it makes it less important. what is important is if you are in range or not. The smaller goal on the other hand in football makes your position more important and not just your proximity from the goal line.

Players can block a field goal. It can absolutely be stopped. There are men trying to bust through the line to knock the ball down. If they do this they get the ball where ever they recover the ball.

 

[Dark Rider]

Players can block a field goal. It can absolutely be stopped. There are men trying to bust through the line to knock the ball down. If they do this they get the ball where ever they recover the ball.

Once the ball takes off there is no stopping it, it get launched high for a reason that is no one can intercepts it once its in the air then its a free way to score you points because the goal is big.The only question would be is are you within range or not?

 

[Vilam]

Amusing that the OP assumes an American would know any of that stuff. I don't know anything about soccer, I don't want to know anything about soccer, and thankfully it's relegated to irrelevance in America because it's boring. Imagine how dreary it'd be to turn on Sportscenter and regularly have to sit through some soccer segment. I hope we get crushed in any international soccer tournament so that nobody here has any reason whatsoever to pay it any attention.

I've seen tons of Hockey games with scores of 1-0 or 2-1

Sure, but they aren't dicking around away from the goal a good portion of the time. There is constantly something interesting happening at both ends of the ice.

Once the ball takes off there is no stopping it, it get launched high for a reason that is no one can intercepts it once its in the air then its a free way to score you points because the goal is big.The only question would be is are you within range or not?

Great point. Once that ball is in the air nothing interesting ever happens.

 

[Dark Rider]

Sure, but they aren't dicking around away from the goal a good portion of the time. There is constantly something interesting happening at both ends of the ice.

yes because what you personally find "interesting" must be the scientific fact of what could be regarded as "interesting"

Great point. Once that ball is in the air nothing interesting ever happens.

not being good enough of a kicker to get the ball into the goal?
this has nothing to do with my point as if you read it through out my posts you would find me specifying that the ball actually makes it to the goal and the kicker was actually within his range of capabilities to kick the ball all the way through the goal.

 

[gutter_trash]

Amusing that the OP assumes an American would know any of that stuff. I don't know anything about soccer, I don't want to know anything about soccer, and thankfully it's relegated to irrelevance in America because it's boring. Imagine how dreary it'd be to turn on Sportscenter and regularly have to sit through some soccer segment. I hope we get crushed in any international soccer tournament so that nobody here has any reason whatsoever to pay it any attention.




Sure, but they aren't dicking around away from the goal a good portion of the time. There is constantly something interesting happening at both ends of the ice.




Great point. Once that ball is in the air nothing interesting ever happens.

Playoff hockey is awesome but I cannot say the same for 60% of regular season games.

Dump the puck, make a change, fail to get a play going, dump the puck zzzzz

Flyers vs Penguins series is always entertaining but once the Devils came to play oh boy someone slapped on the snooze button

 

[IceCold]

Even the bench highlights are better than what American sports produce. Come at me.

 

[Squirrel Killer]

It's called football you handegg loving plebs.

...have any of you "hand-egg" people ever seen an egg?