Blueingreen
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Yeah from a small vocal cult of man children pissy because they didn't get to play as Snake, it was still hugely recieved.
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Video games that mysteriously predict the future
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Yeah from a small vocal cult of man children pissy because they didn't get to play as Snake, it was still hugely recieved.
NightShift
Member
I wonder if the same thing is going to happen to MGS4 once ID tagging becomes legit.
CaptainGyro
Banned
You guys are both wrong. People liked the game right away. Yes, people were disappointed about raiden, but people still liked the game overall.
It was well received critically, sure.
But initially droves of people complained for multiple reasons.
On gaming forums and YT, people would infamously talk shit about MGS 2 for the "bad" story, overboard on silliness, and the most notable and ironic of all : "why am I not playing as Snake?! Kojima lied to us!!"
It was often stated, and I believe there is even a thread here on Neogaf that I remember from my lurking days where lots of people chimed in as not enjoying the game.
Sn4ke got my back!
Not sure why it's wrong for them to be disappointed they didn't get to play as the character they wanted.
This was the first thing that came to mind.
And MGS2.
They're from Ground Zeroes, there's a side mission where you play as MGS1 Solid Snake.
No.
I remember mags back then writing that mgs 2 has a weird way of telling the story. Its too much as well not much gaming. I think until uncharted2 or hesvy rain, when cinematic gaming became popular when mgs2 took off.
Perfect dark as my contribution. The game predicted that there will be a black president in the future. I think the time in the game is set in the year 2010.
OniBarubary
Banned
Didn't FFVIII strangely predict the fall of SD Radio Tower based TV and rise of Cable-based HD transmissions, even saying that most video transmissions were now watched online?
Wow, another one for Ghost Recon. I have to get back to this game actually. Bought it with my launch 3DS and stopped playing about half way through.
Whaaaaaaat. I never heard that little detail.
With Perfect Dark 64, Rare predicted that U.S would have an African-American president in 2023.
It happened a little earlier than that but still. Game was released in 2000.
Everything predicted the US would have an African-American president back then.
ShinMaruku
Member
Yup. These games have some strange stuff. I love FF8
Came here to post this.
Thanks. I really need to finish Portable Ops and get on with the next games in the series, I'm ashamed to admit I only played the first three (Solid series I mean, because I also didn't play the MSX ones).
CaptainGyro
Banned
The game wasn't well recieved? What are you people talking about?Go back and look at some old reviews on metacritic. Go and look at some user reviews on gamefaqs when the game was launched. The game was well received
But did he not expose it to a large audience who wouldn't possibly have seen/read/heard of it otherwise?
OniBarubary
Banned
I think what was funny about it to me was that it was in a throwaway conversation between Biggs and Wedge to explain why they were at the tower.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
As has been mentioned, Deus Ex 1 is the best example of completely accidentally predicting the future.
Twin towers weren't present in the New York skyline because of engine limitations with respect to textures. So they add in info in the game about how it was destroyed in the early 21st century by a terrorist attack.
Twin towers weren't present in the New York skyline because of engine limitations with respect to textures. So they add in info in the game about how it was destroyed in the early 21st century by a terrorist attack.
KittenMaster
Member
Yeah, they predicted the rise of network based media feeds, though the reasoning for the fall of radio was based on external powers making it non-functional as opposed to declining interest.
Even back in 1999 though, Balamb's school intranet was quite advanced for a website, almost Web 2.0-ish.
Scrooge McDuck
Member
He did expose the idea to gamers, I guess, but I hesitate to call the idea presented in that game mysteriously predicting the future when sci-fi writers have been predicting it since at least as far back as the seventies.
cj_iwakura
Member
It's not a game, but Serial Experiments Lain sure predicted a lot about the internet and its integration into society.
It was from 1999.
It was from 1999.
. Though this game is from 2003 so it's not that old.
IAmRandom31
Banned
MGs2 as a whole was well received people just didn't like the switch to Raiden
Garrett Hawke
Member
This isn't a video game predicting the future but an Arrested Development episode called "The Ocean Walker" predicted Bioshock + Infinite.
This game depicted a crazy dystopian future where all electronic communications were monitored by the government. (It's from 2008.)
You think electronic communication wasn't monitored until after 2008?
MemoryHumanity
Member
Do people saying MGS2 wanna, you know, explain why? I haven't played it.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
The media fawned over this game though. I remember people being pissed about the okeydoke he pulled with Raiden online but people loved this game more or less.
Source: posting on gamefaqs in the early 00s
With Perfect Dark 64, Rare predicted that U.S would have an African-American president in 2023.
It happened a little earlier than that but still. Game was released in 2000.
Beat me to it. The description of the President when you access the computer in the Carrington Institute is funny too.
Well I'm glad I didn't join gaming forum then. And MGS2 pre-dates YT. All those comments you see might as well be coming from the same posters as gamefaqs or whatever neogaf was called back then.
CaptainGyro
Banned
Yup,I remember posting on gamers.com in 2002-2004 and people liked the the game. And to repeat, yes some people were mad about Raiden and or thought the story was stupid and convoluted ( but you can still find people today that think the story is stupid and convoluted, it's not like the criticism has gone away).
But to act like people generally didn't start thinking MGS2 was good until 2012 or so is not even remotely accurate at all
Arkos
Nose how to spell and rede to
Well he really just defined something that already existed
CertifiedFP
Member
Uh, for the guys saying Tom Clancy stuff...
Pretty much everything in his older writings "becoming true' isn't Nostradamus shit.
It's called having an understanding of international politics beyond what the mainstream media reports. The writing on the wall was there and quite plain from the beginning of Putin's presidency that he was going to try and reclaim old Soviet territories, and after the 2008 invasion, t'was pretty obvious that in the event Ukraine fell out of line that it was next, since it has this amazing magical little thing we call Warm Water Ports. Something Russia has been historically attracted to like flies to shit.
Anyway, my contribution?
Big Rigs predicted low quality and broken early access games from shady developers oversaturating Steam, a handful of them being from none other than the director of Big Rigs!
Pretty much everything in his older writings "becoming true' isn't Nostradamus shit.
It's called having an understanding of international politics beyond what the mainstream media reports. The writing on the wall was there and quite plain from the beginning of Putin's presidency that he was going to try and reclaim old Soviet territories, and after the 2008 invasion, t'was pretty obvious that in the event Ukraine fell out of line that it was next, since it has this amazing magical little thing we call Warm Water Ports. Something Russia has been historically attracted to like flies to shit.
Anyway, my contribution?
Big Rigs predicted low quality and broken early access games from shady developers oversaturating Steam, a handful of them being from none other than the director of Big Rigs!
Elitist1945
Member
Was gonna say this.
Futurematic
Member
Deus Ex and memory was mine, so good job first poster.
As an internet denizen, MGS2 was ripped on various sites and I wasn't even paying much attention because I owned a Dreamcast and was on a break from gaming. That said the first internet based article pushback I saw started with the prolific (insert any additional adjective of choice) Tim Rogers in Insert Credit, '02 ish. The man needs a copy editor, but a heck of a counterpoint to what the forums had settled into at that point.
So yeah, the same cycle we see often about modern games. Just a little slower.
As a cursory reader of game magazines in the early oughts (when Next Generation folded mostly just EGM with random GP & NP, plus random issues of PC mags) MGS2 was huge, and the enthusiast press was hilariously careful about the twist. But previews & reviews, glowing. Yet, years later, they seemed sheepish on their best of lists, and were upset about the twist.
As an internet denizen, MGS2 was ripped on various sites and I wasn't even paying much attention because I owned a Dreamcast and was on a break from gaming. That said the first internet based article pushback I saw started with the prolific (insert any additional adjective of choice) Tim Rogers in Insert Credit, '02 ish. The man needs a copy editor, but a heck of a counterpoint to what the forums had settled into at that point.
So yeah, the same cycle we see often about modern games. Just a little slower.
Holy shit. Kojima's asking the game.
"snake...why you take so long, and why you so expensive?"
Kim Jong-il, not un. And yes. They also "predicted" that un will take over, which was everyones standard guess. Thats about it.
Gunstar Ikari
Unconfirmed Member
Mega Man Battle Network predicted smart devices and seemingly everything having an internet connection. Only a matter of time before we have to deal with computer viruses in our toilets.
ShinMaruku
Member
I think time has distorted how people viewed MGS2 when it first came out. I thought most people loved it. It's just recently people really got it. Was there a re-release that spiked interest again?
Deus Ex!
- Increasingly powerful governments
- Excessive police violence
- Economic turmoil
- Solace in technology (see below)
- Increased governmental / corporate collaboration
- Privatization of public services
- Major terrorist attack on NYC landmark
- Growing class divisions
- Heightened paranoia and suspicion of fellow citizens pushed by the media outlets out of fear
Just look at this (hidden) conversation with an AI sequestered away in the basement of an old-money plutocrat's Paris home:
The game predicted post-2001 America (well, whole world actually) better than almost anything else I've seen. Despite some hamfisted writing here and there it is startlingly on point.
- Increasingly powerful governments
- Excessive police violence
- Economic turmoil
- Solace in technology (see below)
- Increased governmental / corporate collaboration
- Privatization of public services
- Major terrorist attack on NYC landmark
- Growing class divisions
- Heightened paranoia and suspicion of fellow citizens pushed by the media outlets out of fear
Just look at this (hidden) conversation with an AI sequestered away in the basement of an old-money plutocrat's Paris home:
The game predicted post-2001 America (well, whole world actually) better than almost anything else I've seen. Despite some hamfisted writing here and there it is startlingly on point.
Having a Net Navi would fulfill every hope and dream I have ever had.
The release of the HD remaster included in the MGS HD Collection in 2011 was probably a catalyst for new discussion about the game, given it was the first release since Substance came out in '03. EDIT - I am not counting the 2008 'Essential Collection' PS2 release given that it was on the same machine.
I know that's the point at which I remember seeing more threads about the game at least, mainly from new players.
I was firmly in the camp of loving the game at the time of release without fully understanding the intricacies of the plot (well I was a dumb 13 year old at the time) but really found a new level of enjoyment replaying it in early 2012 at which point some of the crazier scenes later in the game seemed weirdly prescient.
Unknown One
Member
You guys should check out Uknighted's twitch stream when threedog does a MGS2 playthrough. He is extremely knowledgeable about the game and explains how and why the game is made the way it is. MGS2 was a game Kojima made for his self expression.