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Violent standoff between Cops and Protesters in Baltimore
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Yep, saw it, heard it.
That kinda stuff wouldn't
be allowed to
Ferguson officials were pretty bad.
I just don't see how any violence that's happening today is going to change anything. I remember seeing the Rodney King riots on TV when I was young and then the discussions about it. People were scared all over the country. We are a different society now. We don't care unless it's happening in our backyard. CNN and Fox news is just providing America with entertainment. This is reality TV on high and if you look at twitter and Facebook we want more. No one cares about why. We just want more crazy shit on TV to watch. Then we want to go to bed and wake up and go to work so we can pay our bills and our debts.
I don't know what the answer is, but this is just feeding entertainment obsessed America.
I don't know what the answer is, but this is just feeding entertainment obsessed America.
What are they saying? I'm currently watching the Timcast stream since it's in the middle of things.
You must have missed Ferguson.
Fantastic thread.
Jawbreaker
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This happened in Ferguson as well. Bloods and Crips worked together to prevent looting.
His point was more that, this gets more attention, though I agree with you. When it comes to ANY instance, whether black or white being killed by police or w.e else, something like rioting will always gain more attention. After all, it is a rarer occurrence that causes immediate need for response.
I disagree with rioting really.
Stuff like this is dehumanizing
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/video-shows-baltimore-rioters-pulling-man-out-of-liquor-shop-kicking-him/
rioting is the shadow that non-violence is the alternative to. But if non-violence hadn't gotten anywhere, the 1960s and 70s would have been very different.
M1ch04c4n0
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Uhh...
I don't know why is shocking that american police kills people. The country was founded on the concept of killing whoever was found "uncomfortable" to be around. Natives, non-white foreigner, people with other religions, blacks, anyone from the Americas... even "anormal" white people (mentally ill, non-conforming people, people with "dangerous" ideas).
Only when someone is killed, either locally or foreign, is that the people in power fell reassured, and the rich make money.
They would like nothing more than to see some blood tonight.
OH yeah I know. I live in Detroit. Since the idiotic riots of the 60's to this day, Detroit don't have a single major supermarket chain in the entire city! Not a one! Detroit is one of the most financially strapped cities in the whole United States. No businesses= No revenue! No revenue= ghettos and blight. Here look at the ultimate results of burning down your own city, like a bunch of damn fools!
Monumental, landmark legal changes were achieved from the 50s and 60s, but the riots of the late 60s had a tremendous cost in immediate human life and long-term destruction of cities, which causes generational damage by aggravating systemic poverty and all the attendant causes/effects (higher crime in abandoned depopulated areas, depleted economies leaving little job opportunities, depleted tax bases causing further deteroriation of already constitutionally offensive schools, etc). Look at Newark and Camden today. Newark is in serious but stable condition, never recovered. Camden is dead: in parts, it resembles war-torn 2000s Kabul more than it does an American city.
I said earlier it was worth it. It's just important to know that the sort of large-scale, prolonged rioting talked about when people invoke the 60s as an example of it working can be very fucking rough for real people even when it succeeds.
No, rioting brings an almost laser like focus on whatever caused it in the first place. The USA knows that Baltimore is rioting due to the death of Freddie Gray. The problem is that the riots are just the symptom of the underlying cause, systemic racism pervading the government and perpetuated by the police. So quelling the riots and arresting the looters will bring White America peace that the looting thugs and animals are finally caught, but the disease of institutionalized racism will still be there eating away at the Black community. Not going to stop people from trying to tell everyone upset to just be a "good one" and protest peacefully.
Funny, I didn't seem to see this much backlash during the Arab Spring. Hmm, just my imagination I guess.
Northeastmonk
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I opt out of this because I live in the midwest. There's nothing but large fields and people getting pulled over for speeding. This looks crazy to me. I was also typing.
This happened in Ferguson as well. Bloods and Crips worked together to prevent looting.
I remember that. I was impressed.
See I don't think that the majority of the destruction is being done by the locals. It is the people who come from other cities who are causing the damage. Most of the locals want to preserve their town. That's my hypothesis anyway.
depths20XX
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Eh, I get what she's trying to say but the Boston Tea Party was in direct relation to the Tea Act which they opposed. So it's pretty easy to understand what they did.
I hope this isn't a serious reply.
Oh yeah that's because of the riots in the 1960's, it had nothing to do with the economic malaise that descended upon the rust belt in that timeframe, give me a break. If those riots had not happened the small progress that was made would not have even occurred.
I understand why anger would be directed at the members of authority, such as police/state police/deputies, but why so much anger directed at members of the media to the point where journalists are robbed or beaten? So disappointing to hear about and hard to fathom. I would think they would want to get their message out and the media is a perfect avenue for that.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/131780567@N07/17296195281/
I made this logo because I care about the lives being loss. I believe Michelle Obama is the answer to this violence.
I made this logo because I care about the lives being loss. I believe Michelle Obama is the answer to this violence.
Of course it's rough.
Please point out where I said it wasn't. What does that have to do with anything?
They probably don't want to be portrayed negatively. A lot of people see the media as agitators as well.
jamesinclair
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So knowing nothing about the economic conditions of these neighborhoods, and the history that created these conditions, and yet you think it is fair to come in and throw judgement at the protestors? You think you have the perspective needed to tell them to go home and be quiet and everything will be better if they sit at home with their thumbs up their asses for another 50 years?
You appear to be deeply concerned about property damage, more so than the lives of innocent men, and yet you have no idea what the property is like in that area.
This is how the city is addressing their economic nightmare:
1999
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/06/13/us/old-baltimore-row-houses-fall-before-wrecking-ball.html
2013:
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/20...timore-residents-west-baltimore-vacant-blocks
But please, tell us how a building on fire is going to scare away all the investment.
Xyrmellon
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What?
Maybe because the media has played a big part in shaping America's perception of the black community?
was that a joke post? You think the Arab Spring was a positive? You think the Middle East is a great place to live? The media was already making this entire nation aware of the incident in Baltimore BEFORE any rioting! The rioting only accomplished in burning down their own neighborhoods, and completely overshadows the tragedy with Freddy Gray! Look at the media now! They're not talking about Freddy Gray, they're talking about the idiots rioting!
Michelle Obama has next to nothing in terms of political experience besides being the first lady. She wouldn't win a state primary.
(From the view of North American discourse) North Africa and the Middle East are racialized spaces where governments *can* be corrupt and oppressive, because they're run by racialized persons. Violence between the state and citizens can happen there, because the space itself is considered to be less civilized.
America is conceptualized as a civilized (white) space, where the state does not act in corrupt or illegitimately violent ways towards its citizens, because it's civilized. This is circular logic, of course. Violence against the state is not OK in America, because the American state is perceived as inherently just (partly because its unjust actions largely target racialized minorities).
Go brush of on your history. Google "White Flight from Detroit" google "Detroit results of the 1960's riots decades later", then come back and attempt to debate with me!
Please point out where I said you said it wasn't rough? You didn't say anything either way.
My comment was to add context to the repeated invocation of the 1960s (by many posters, not merely yourself) to refute the "rioting never works" meme, because the 60s race riots had significant long-lasting damage beyond the immediate loss of life and property destruction during the riots themselves. It wasn't merely a tradeoff of damage now for victory later.
I don't know what posters know in terms of how rough it truly was, and I'm confident there's at least one poster who has no clue, thus my post.
FeenixRising
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They don't care as much if it's something as stupid as a hockey loss but god forbid people get fed up of being gunned down like animals.
Hmm. Perhaps, although the idea of combating negative imagery with reactionary anger -- anger directed at the very people who reach out to the mainstream -- will only hinder efforts of reform.
CrimzonSamurai
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It's ultimately an opinionated question. There's no mathematical trace to directly link the riots to Detroit's economic decline. White flight has happened in every major city and even small towns whenever a minority group becomes the majority in a given area. DC, Atlanta, even my hometown of 110,000 people.
Has the cause been determined?
Jawbreaker
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It's a double-edged sword in this case. Without the media documenting these events, it'd be easier to sweep under the rug and for police to get away with using greater force against protesters. This stuff needs to be documented just as much as police brutality which is why people want body cams on LEOs.
Of course they are, and it's par for the course with them.
I don't get what the point of this is at all...
Very well put, and can't be reiterated enough.
Any concrete updates on this? Last I heard there was no evidence pointing to the rioters.
I doubt we will know for a while but public opinion has probably been made about it.
Errr, what?
Also someone get that CNN dude with the cellphone a fucking break, dude has been going nonstop for like 12 hours!
jamesinclair
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Go brush of on your history. Google "White Flight from Washington DC" google "Washington results of the 1960's riots decades later", then come back and attempt to debate with me
Youre really going to blame Detroits current condition on those riots - while every single rust belt city is in disarray, regardless of riots, while other cities like NYC, DC and LA are at the very top of the economic heap and went through the same ordeal?
CrimzonSamurai
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Enough with this argument. I have seen it too much tonight. Nobody in the area where those riots occur are happy with the riots. Nobody in the areas where political riots occur are happy with the political riots. There's a massive difference in impetus. A sports riot is composed of drunken idiots, while a political riot is composed of angry people, There is absolutely reason to be more fearful and disheartened by one than the other.
If you're talking about people who only harp on the property damage then fine, but aside from that this argument doesn't invalidate anyone's fears about being caught up in a political riot.
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