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Violent standoff between Cops and Protesters in Baltimore

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Boss★Moogle;161917222 said:
I'm kind of shocked by the fact that some people in here are trying to justify the extremely violent behavior of some of the rioters/looters. Throwing rocks at innocent people and mob beat-downs, that's almost ISIS-level stuff. Violence, especially towards innocent civilians, only makes matters worse and divides people even more. We need to be building bridges, not burning them. We need more people like Robert Valentine, not more looters.

People who actually kill unarmed people = *not all cops*, *gather all the information*, *context needed*

Compares people throwing rocks = *just like ISIS*

Yeah, not coded language at all over here folks, nothing to see.
 
Wait so are you American or Canadian lol.

first part was making fun of people cus in my head thats what they would be thinking, lol I am actually from Canada

EDIT: I get there are some people that are patriotic about their country, though in Canada I can honestly say i have never met someone as patriotic as maybe someone from the states. Canadians that i have met we talk shit about Canada esp the bad which we are not impressed with and I have yet to see a response where it is frowned upon to be critical of your own country
 
It's ironic how some people justify stuff. When going in one way it's massive exaggeration, when trying to justify it or simply looking at their own behavior, it's all very subtle language. "A bit too strong" lol.

I'm sorry but stomping on the face of an unconscious person is beyond heinous to me. Especially an innocent shop owner that has nothing to do with any of this.
 
Boss★Moogle;161920309 said:
I'm sorry but stomping on the face of an unconscious person is beyond heinous to me. Especially an innocent shop owner that has nothing to do with any of this.

That's ISIS-level to you? Are you fucking serious?

And we wonder why the police is militarized because of silly ass citizens like this. What a shit post.
 
It's ironic how some people justify stuff. When going in one way it's massive exaggerations, when trying to justify it or simply looking at their own behavior, it's all very subtle language. "A bit too strong" lol.

it's ridiculous.

Seriously..dude needs to step away from his keyboard for a couple and rethink things for "a bit."

lol, I really don't get how he thought that was even an apt comparison.

Boss★Moogle;161920309 said:
I'm sorry but stomping on the face of an unconscious person is beyond heinous to me. Especially an innocent shop owner that has nothing to do with any of this.

and then you're doubling down on it? stop, man. you're being ridiculous. what's beyond heinous is cops severing a guy's spine. or killing a guy for selling cigarettes. or putting a mother in a chokehold in front of her daughter. or sticking a broomstick up a guy's ass. if you're gonna relate a group of people to ISIS, please let it be the right people.
 

It's ironic that I think Shepard Smith is one of the best journalists in a top mainstream platform yet he works for Fox News. Still, that makes him even more important and influential, people watching that channel aren't going to get his perspective with anyone else on there.

That's almost hilariously accurate. Hilarious because the American paradigm of Us vs Them is perhaps the strongest here than in any developed nation. I literally had an argument with someone just yesterday who pulled the "black people have all of the equal rights whites do, but they're really lazy and entitled" card. Too many people truly believe this, that their circumstance is the root of all possible circumstances, which of course fails to address the systemic ego game promoting a social duality, and thus infers guaranteed conflict. We have a system rigged from top to bottom that creates a have and have not system, often in illogical ways. The most common of which involves money and resources, which we then hand out to labels that fit our projections: race, sex, political ideas, so on and so forth. A rather sickening display of monarchical "democracy".

America is the land where people are brought up to fight one another and see it as okay, failing to realize it is cooperation, to dissolve the boundaries of egoic nonsense, that is what will make us all prosper. Kinda hard to do that when one truly believes everything is fair in a profoundly corrupted, unjust, and downright cancerous society.

True, bootstraps is a common theme that I see. "If these thugs don't like things, why don't they get a job." Makes me want to pull my hair out when I see that stuff. Most common thing I'm seeing right now relates to people destroying property in Baltimore. How the protests are losing legitimacy because some are destroying property.

While it's awful and I don't think it's right, I can understand on some level the frustration that people are dealing with. At some point, you reach a point where you can't take any more and you're just mad at your people being killed and nothing happening.. Nothing's improving. I'd be pissed too.

Also, it must be said that not all protesters are looting or destroying property. Lot of videos going around of leaders trying to keep things in check. Maybe should start a #Notallprotestors thing.
 
Boss★Moogle;161920309 said:
I'm sorry but stomping on the face of an unconscious person is beyond heinous to me. Especially an innocent shop owner that has nothing to do with any of this.

You know what is heinous? Cops routinely beating people to death and people like you getting on your high horse and wagging your finger at the victims.
 
and then you're doubling down on it? stop, man. you're being ridiculous. what's beyond heinous is cops severing a guy's spine. or killing a guy for selling cigarettes. or putting a mother in a chokehold in front of her daughter. or sticking a broomstick up a guy's ass. if you're gonna relate a group of people to ISIS, please let it be the right people.
Yoooooo
 
These riots are inexcusable in every imaginable way. The fact that some are defending violent looters because they "stand for equality!" shows how seriously people should take them.
it's ridiculous.



lol, I really don't get how he thought that was even an apt comparison.



and then you're doubling down on it? stop, man. you're being ridiculous. what's beyond heinous is cops severing a guy's spine. or killing a guy for selling cigarettes. or putting a mother in a chokehold in front of her daughter. or sticking a broomstick up a guy's ass. if you're gonna relate a group of people to ISIS, please let it be the right people.
There went all your credibility.
Some piece of shit people doing this = all cops. Totally.
 
and then you're doubling down on it? stop, man. you're being ridiculous. what's beyond heinous is cops severing a guy's spine. or killing a guy for selling cigarettes. or putting a mother in a chokehold in front of her daughter. or sticking a broomstick up a guy's ass. if you're gonna relate a group of people to ISIS, please let it be the right people.
Shit..
 
and then you're doubling down on it? stop, man. you're being ridiculous. what's beyond heinous is cops severing a guy's spine. or killing a guy for selling cigarettes. or putting a mother in a chokehold in front of her daughter. or sticking a broomstick up a guy's ass. if you're gonna relate a group of people to ISIS, please let it be the right people.

You know what is heinous? Cops routinely beating people to death and people like you getting on your high horse and wagging your finger at the victims.

Gross injustices committed by the cops don't make injustices committed by the people the cops oppress ok.
 
These riots are inexcusable in every imaginable way. The fact that some are defending violent looters because they "stand for equality!" shows how seriously people should take them.

Know what else is inexcusable? The majority of this country doing nothing about the police killing unarmed black people and letting them walk, and yet here we are.
 
first part was making fun of people cus in my head thats what they would be thinking, lol I am actually from Canada

EDIT: I get there are some people that are patriotic about their country, though in Canada I can honestly say i have never met someone as patriotic as maybe someone from the states. Canadians that i have met we talk shit about Canada esp the bad which we are not impressed with and I have yet to see a response where it is frowned upon to be critical of your own country

Oh ok. Yea being an American people are definitely more patriotic but I have never met anyone like I see in these "Amuricah" meme pictures and I live in Texas. Most people are pretty level headed if you talk to them. I think they just say the dumbest things on facebook.
 
That's ISIS-level to you? Are you fucking serious?

And we wonder why the police is militarized because of silly ass citizens like this. What a shit post.

I have already apologized for that, it was something that in the spur of the moment came into my head but it was obviously a mistake and gross exaggeration. I still however find some of the actions taken by looters/rioters to be heinous and I think they should be condemned for their actions. Their actions do nothing to help the situation and only make it more tense. Dialogue is what is needed if we want to change things, wouldn't you agree?
 
One of those topics where a general call to peace and thoughtfulness is useless, leaving me feeling lost and unable to contribute. Seems the only opinions worth having are whether you support one extreme over the other. So many people watching with glee, just happy to have someone or something to hate. Easy to mistake the actual lives being effected for tally marks on a political scoreboard. The misaligned priorities of our public discourse on race and police violence astonishes me.

I understand why police kill unarmed black men and I think they're sick.

I understand why rioters pillage and destroy their own community and I think they're sick.

I understand why people feel the need to morally equivocate and justify heinous acts to preserve their worldview and I think they're sick.

I'm not a proponent of apathy but you people make me want to numb my brain.

Succinct and Reasoned

Thank you
 
They should nicely ask that the police stop beating them to death.

I live in Baltimore, these things are happening a few blocks away from me. I've frequented some of these businesses that have been torn down. They were businesses run by black people, employing black people. Tearing down those businesses and beating the people who work there does nothing to stop the police from committing injustice, racism and murder. It's completely unrelated.
 
Boss★Moogle;161921896 said:
Their actions do nothing to help the situation and only make it more tense.

I live in Baltimore, these things are happening a few blocks away from me. I've frequented some of these businesses that have been torn down. They were businesses run by black people, employing black people. Tearing down those businesses and beating the people who work there does nothing to stop the police from committing injustice, racism and murder. It's completely unrelated.



It puts a price tag on police brutality.



Dialogue is what is needed if we want to change things, wouldn't you agree?

Dialogue like Gray asking for medical attention and being ignored and left to die?
 
These riots are inexcusable in every imaginable way. The fact that some are defending violent looters because they "stand for equality!" shows how seriously people should take them.

There went all your credibility.
Some piece of shit people doing this = all cops. Totally.

and you expect to be taken seriously with the not all cops angle? When cops actually start treating their own like criminals, you'll have a point, but as of now, cops will turn on their own mayor for even hinting at racially motivated police brutality. Cops will defend their own when they've committed crimes instead of speaking up.
 
Boss★Moogle;161921896 said:
I have already apologized for that, it was something that in the spur of the moment came into my head but it was obviously a mistake and gross exaggeration. I still however find some of the actions taken by looters/rioters to be heinous and I think they should be condemned for their actions. Their actions do nothing to help the situation and only make it more tense. Dialogue is what is needed if we want to change things, wouldn't you agree?

THIS IS THE PROBLEM.

No dialogue is needed. If we need to talk about how the majority of this country thinks its ok to treat black people like subhuman, the entire culture and society is sick. Period. Full stop. The only dialogue that needs to happen is white people asking other white people WTF is wrong with them that they think maintaining institutional racism is okay. Period. The oppressed have ZERO obligations to the oppressor to educate or talk about ANY goddamn thing.

So I agree, just not the way you think.
 
Boss★Moogle;161921896 said:
I have already apologized for that, it was something that in the spur of the moment came into my head but it was obviously a mistake and gross exaggeration. I still however find some of the actions taken by looters/rioters to be heinous and I think they should be condemned for their actions. Their actions do nothing to help the situation and only make it more tense. Dialogue is what is needed if we want to change things, wouldn't you agree?
How much dialogue have these people had with officials that have fallen on death ears? Not condoning the rioting but I've seen this people... Majority of them have reached a breaking point
 
Boss★Moogle;161921896 said:
I have already apologized for that, it was something that in the spur of the moment came into my head but it was obviously a mistake and gross exaggeration. I still however find some of the actions taken by looters/rioters to be heinous and I think they should be condemned for their actions. Their actions do nothing to help the situation and only make it more tense. Dialogue is what is needed if we want to change things, wouldn't you agree?

You know what is needed for a dialogue? A listening party. What you are seeing now is the result of a situation that has been ignored for way too long, and it's not if the wronged minority hasn't called for justice over and over.

Yes dialogue is always the answer, but what does one do when we are speaking about grave injustices and matters of survival and the other party is sticking the fingers in the ear and is basically saying "na na, we don't care." Sometimes that requires the dialogue to become more 'non-verbal' and no that doesn't make certain actions more right. But I believe the analogy with a forest fire has been brought up before and it's an apt one.
If you are ignoring the heat then sooner or later you'll have to deal with the flames.
 
and you expect to be taken seriously with the not all cops angle? When cops actually start treating their own like criminals, you'll have a point, but as of now, cops will turn on their own mayor for even hinting at racially motivated police brutality. Cops will defend their own when they've committed crimes instead of speaking up.

I don't think you know what a union is or how they work.
 
If the wrong people end up having to pay that price, how does that help anything?

The wrong people are already paying the price for corruption. Riots are the manifestation for that.

It's telling that you're more concerned with the well being of a CVS than you are with people being beaten to death.
 
I live in Baltimore, these things are happening a few blocks away from me. I've frequented some of these businesses that have been torn down. They were businesses run by black people, employing black people. Tearing down those businesses and beating the people who work there does nothing to stop the police from committing injustice, racism and murder. It's completely unrelated.

Since you live there, do you think the rioting should stop? Or should they continue?
 
Boss★Moogle;161921896 said:
I have already apologized for that, it was something that in the spur of the moment came into my head but it was obviously a mistake and gross exaggeration. I still however find some of the actions taken by looters/rioters to be heinous and I think they should be condemned for their actions. Their actions do nothing to help the situation and only make it more tense. Dialogue is what is needed if we want to change things, wouldn't you agree?

I believe we are way past talking. Actions speak louder than words.

People are tired of talking and getting no response just excuses for the injustices that happen.

This is America I thought that meant justice for all not just the privileged.

Although I don't necessarily condone violence. Sometimes its the only way we can be heard.

We don't want be ignored!
 
It is the public sector union's responsibility to defend the union members. They are paid to do so. Are you suggesting the union and attorneys to sabotage their own cases or not offer fair and equal representation?
I'm...not reading this right. I have to be missing something here. Are you...defending cops turning a blind eye to when one of their own commit crimes?
 
Whoah, slow your roll. I said no such thing.

Yeah that's exactly what he's saying.

Tearing down those businesses and beating the people who work there does nothing to stop the police from committing injustice, racism and murder. It's completely unrelated.

Corruption and brutality is the problem, not the results of it. The idea that the people lashing out at corruption is "unrelated" is just blatantly incorrect and divorced from reality.
 
Since you live there, do you think the rioting should stop? Or should they continue?

I don't have an answer. I understand the injustices committed against the people, but the riot is also taking its toll on the local communities. Someone suggested the riots shoudl be directed towards government property and not private individuals who are members of the community themselves. That's a better idea. Destroying a hair salon or restaurant that people of this community have built from the ground themselves is not, as some posters would have "putting a price tag on police brutality" or whatever. It makes the community pay the price for the faults of the government. Make the government pay the price instead.
 
It is the public sector union's responsibility to defend the union members. They are paid to do so. Are you suggesting the union and attorneys to sabotage their own cases or not offer fair and equal representation?

Are you suggesting that not even charging cops is fair and equal representation?

Also is this really your response to a post saying that cops defend other criminal cops? That goes beyond getting offended at somebody saying fuck the police.

I'm...not reading this right. I have to be missing something here. Are you...defending cops turning a blind eye to when one of their own commit crimes?

yeah, it's actually really weird.
 
Boss★Moogle;161921896 said:
I have already apologized for that, it was something that in the spur of the moment came into my head but it was obviously a mistake and gross exaggeration. I still however find some of the actions taken by looters/rioters to be heinous and I think they should be condemned for their actions. Their actions do nothing to help the situation and only make it more tense. Dialogue is what is needed if we want to change things, wouldn't you agree?

They have been talking, they've been talking for years. If talking was going to change things it would have already happened. This is a group of people that have been pushed around and beaten down for decades and now it's gone past the breaking point and they're pushing back.
 
I don't have an answer. I understand the injustices committed against the people, but the riot is also taking its toll on the local communities. Someone suggested the riots shoudl be directed towards government property and not private individuals who are members of the community themselves. That's a better idea. Destroying a hair salon or restaurant that people of this community have built from the ground themselves is not, as some posters would have "putting a price tag on police brutality" or whatever. It makes the community pay the price for the faults of the government. Make the government pay the price instead.

The community is already paying the price for the faults of the government.

They were before the riots.

You don't really have a place in this discussion if you can't grasp the origin of the problem. Gray's death did not happen in a bubble.
 
The word you're thinking of is actually "gang," not "union."

That's a significant part of the obstacle to increased oversight. Police unions are incredibly strong and have negotiated, via collective bargaining, immense protection and benefits for their members, who are the very police officers who we as a society need to desperately increase oversight and punishment for.

Significant problems (not all problems, or the whole problem) lie in the protection enjoyed by the union-negotiated contracts and political influence wielded by the unions, and the gang mentality methods of maintaining said protection by not breaking rank and protecting their own from the outside.

Police are among the Richard Scarry professions, coined by an Economist writer, that enjoy a lot of political clout because of their near folklore status in the minds of the average American (teachers, firefighters, farmers, etc.). Political willpower to enhance police oversight is weak as hell, even ignoring the 800 pound underprivileged black elephant in the room of racism, and that's a tremendous problem.
 
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