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Vita has no games... compared to?

Principate said:
Your comparing rumours to actual announced games, rumoured games which even Sony doesn't even believe in.
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Huh? This is a lost cause dude, Ill enjoy my Vita, you enjoy whatever you like.


Edit: Its so funny that these games are rumoured "announced" games, the same games I play every generation's nintendo system for and won't be released till 2014 at the soonest, NOBODY knows what Sony has in store but everyone's talking shit. E3 time is insane...
 
I find it funny on GAF when people say the 3ds has more games yet when they list the 3ds games they ask tend to list the same half dozen games or so...

I find that vita owners tend to list a bigger list of the same games. Am I wrong?
 
I love my Vita, but I still admit it lacks games. It has some interesting games, but none of which are system seller or games that are big enough to make people notice it. Sound Shapes and Lumines are good but they don't make people buy a Vita.

Also I can barely list any games that are coming out. Muramasa is a port of a niche Wii game. Dragon's Crown is cool but it obviously won't do much to the Vita.
 
Nintendo did seem to pump out its 3DS early with lots of mascot games. We got Mario, Zelda, luigi, and a healthy amount of RPG and fighting games.

I had the same problem with my 3DS for a year or so of struggling to find games I want to play. Now I've played those and I barely touch my 3DS. While the vita has less games, there is usually a reason to turn it on every day.

The ps3 had the same sentiment when it was new. I felt the same then and probably made the same arguments, although more childishly. (nuh uh, lair is going to SAVE Sony. I got that preordered.)
 
This is all subjective. The Vita has games, they just don't all appeal to certain people. Those people then decide to get all cute, and use their internet anonymity and become a keyboard warrior and mock the Vita with hyperbolic statements. Same goes for the 3DS.

All handhelds and consoles take time to gain a good install base and see third parties jump on. It's up to Sony and Nintendo to make those killer exclusives to grow that install base. Nintendo did it with Mario Kart 7 and Super Mario 3D Land. Sony tried with PSABR, Uncharted, Gravity Rush and Resistance. They need some western appealing IP's like FF and God of War.

Look at the 3DS 18 months ago compared to now. I'll wait till holiday 2013 before I judge the Vita.
 
DigitalOp said:
Question, Do you all believe the Wii U will recover in time?
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It will probably outsell the Vita in lifetime sales if that's what you're using as your metric for success.


KojiKnight said:
Yes, the saves are kept, as will any DLC/etc that's saved to the memory card.

Oh and forgot to add "syncing trophy data" which can also add another minute or two to the process if that's something you care about.
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sechsterangriff said:
Yeah, everything that's on the memory card is kept. It's just system data like "near" and other settings that are lost.
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Thanks for the replies, very helpful.
 
Perception of how Sony is supporting the system vs. how Nintendo is supporting the 3DS.

Sony is basically giving Vita owners games from the PS3 or collections. Nintendo is giving brand new games in the series. I am not talking 3rd parties, mind you. I am talking about how Nintendo and Sony are supporting these systems with 1st party titles.

Initial reviews of Vita games was also poor vs. the praise the 3DS games had.

It's the same perception the Wii U has. It has games, but a lot of them are late ports and things we've already seen (NSMBU for instance isn't new enough for some people).
 
I like listz:

3DS

Kid Icarus: Uprising
Super Mario 3D Land
New Super Mario Bros. 2
Adventure Time 3DS / 2
Fire Emblem: Awakening
Animal Crossing: New Leaf
Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon
Mario Kart 7
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Monster Hunter 4
Paper Mario Sticker Star
Resident Evil Revelations
Bravely Default
Castlevania: Lords of Shadow - Mirror of Fate
Pushmo / Crashmo
Code of Princess
Cave Story 3D
Band Brothers 3DS
Dillon's Rolling Western / 2
Denpa Men / 2
Shin Megami Tensei IV
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner - Soul Hackers
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor Overclocked
Devil Survivor 2: Break Record
Epic Mickey: The Power of Illusion
Dead or Alive: Dimensions
Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D
Dragon Quest Monsters 3DS
Dragon Quest 7 3DS
Tales of the Abyss
Etrian Odyssey IV
E.X. Troopers
Fluidity: Spin Cycle
HarmoKnight
Harvest Moon 3D: A New Beginning
Heroes of Ruin
Pokemon X/Y
Kingdom Hearts 3D: DDD
Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D
Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 2
Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask
Professor Layton and the Azran Legacy
Professor Layton vs. Ace Attorney
Mario & Luigi: Dream Team
Mario Tennis Open
Mario vs. Donkey Kong: Minis March Again / Minis on the Move
Metal Gear Solid: Snake Eater 3D
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Dual Destinies
Project X Zone
Rhythm Thief & the Emperor's Treasure
Rayman Origins
Rune Factory 4
Sakura Samurai
Scribblenauts Unlimited
Shantae and the Pirate's Curse
Super Smash Bros. 3DS
Theatrhythm Final Fantasy
Yoshi's Island 3DS
3D Classics etc.
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 3DS

vs.

PS Vita

Assassin's Creed III: Liberation
Call of Duty: Black Ops Declassified
Uncharted: Golden Abyss
Disgaea 3
Dragon's Crown
Persona 4 Golden
Soul Sacrifice
Dead or Alive 5 Plus
Final Fantasy X / X-2 HD
Super Stardust Delta
Sound Shapes
Gravity Rush
God Eater 2
Hot Shots Golf: World Invitational
Jak and Daxter Collection
Jet Set Radio
Killzone Mercenary
Touch My Katamari
LittleBigPlanet PSV
Lumines: Electronic Symphony
Metal Gear Solid HD Collection
Muramasa Rebirth
ModNation Racers
MotorStorm RC
Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee HD
Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee - New 'n' Tasty
PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale
Ragnarok Odyssey
Ratchet & Clank: Full Frontal Assault
Resistance: Burning Skies
Silent Hill: Book of Memories
Street Fighter X Tekken
Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time
Tales of Hearts R
Tales of Innocence R
Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3
Valhalla Knights 3
WipEout 2048
Ys: Memories of Celceta
Zone of the Enders HD Collection
Senran Kagura Shinovi Versus
Project Diva
Earth Defence Force 2017 Portable
Super Monkey Ball
Dynasty Warriors
Ninja Gaiden Sigma 1+2
Shinobido 2
Rayman Origins
BlazBlue
Mortal Kombat
Virtua Tennis 4
Unit 13
Guacamelee
Sine Mora
Luftauser
Snapshot
Terraria
Hotline Miami
Tempest 2000
Binding of Isaac
Velocity Ultra
Puddle
Retro City Rampage
Urban Trial Freestyle

Much more stacked in 3DS' favor imo
 
For those joining the thread... let me sum it ...


"The Vita does have games! See this list!"

"That list is full of ports, and there is no killer apps that are driving sales of the hardware."

"You can't NOT count ports! Ports are games! See the Vita has games!!"

"No one is literally saying there are no games for the system, only that there is nothing big that's driving the sales of the hardware."

"Well you can't say the 3DS has games then either!"

"Umm... uh.. okay..."

"It's been out a whole year longer you can't compare them!!"

"Uhh......... yeah okay..."

"Vita isn't a handheld it's a portable console!"

"Now I'm just confu...."

"FANBOY!"


There just seems to be this sort of weird sticking point going on here, or that some people live in another world where the Vita is doing great, and the game lineup supports this... but having owned a Vita, and having played most games that were out in the first 6 months and still seeing nothing out now or on the horizon I can clearly see why no one is buying it.

And that's the simple fact, no one is buying it.

Whoops, I used hyperbole again... Let me explain, when I said "no one is buying it" I was exaggerating to show that the amount of sales the system has are very low. Yes, the Wii U is doing worse, the Wii U is also in a super shitty situation and even though I'm a HUGE fan of Nintendo, I've said it's in shit water. I've said I haven't touched my wii U in months because there are no new games I'd want to play on it.
 
ari said:
3ds definetly has the best value for your buck.
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Eh it could go either way. Vita has the slight upper edge due to PS+ and access to PS1 and PSP titles, but the 3DS library right now is pretty amazing (JRPG wise). FE:A back in January, Soul Hackers last month, SMT IV in August, Pokemon XY in October and Bravely Default next year, and with probably more announcements in e3, the 3DS will be the JRPG powerhouse handheld of this gen. But that's just me.


maltrain said:
If the discussion is about "exclusives", what can we say about X360 in the last two years then?
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halo, forza and pizza.
 
Vita has a decent amount of good games, but I agree that most are multi-platform titles and that none of the Vita-only titles stand out as real system-sellers. But it is hilarious to say that it has no games. I currently have 33 games for Vita and 21 games for 3DS- that's not counting PSP/PS1 games and DSi games. My Vita gets played all the time, while the 3DS XL sits there, gathering dust. The last games I picked up for it were Luigi's Mansion 2 and Castlevania, and I lost interest in both pretty quickly. It all depends on what you like to play.

Sadsic said:
I like listz:

Stuff
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You've listed Japanese-only 3DS games, that can't be played on American or European 3DS systems, but left out Japanese games for the Vita, which any system can play. Stuff like Project Diva and Senran Kagura Shinovi Versus.

And you've listed unreleased/canceled games on both systems, leaving out titles like Muramasa for Vita.
 
Wickerbasket said:
It will probably outsell the Vita in lifetime sales if that's what you're using as your metric for success.
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So Wii U can recover, Vita can't. That's how its gonna be ay?

The same way people are giving the Wii U this wide open window to recover, Give the Vita the same thing. Its called being impartial.
 
VanWinkle said:
This is exactly right, and you having three dozen 3DS games while I have a good 50 to 60 Vita games (retail and digital) yet less than 10 3DS games is perfect proof of that.

HOWEVER, you KNOW that if somebody said "3DS has no games" under that same logic, they would be raked over the coals and called ignorant.
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But there are literally people in this thread that have said they own almost no games for their 3DS. That's their choice, but it doesn't mean it doesn't have games. The same applies to the Vita. I'm not interested in one right now, mostly because of its software lineup more so than the cost of hardware. But that doesn't mean I don't acknowledge there are games on the system. So please don't tell me I would call someone ignorant and 'rake them over coals' for having an opinion that differs from mine. What have I posted that would even give you that impression?
 
Lyte Edge said:
You've listed Japanese-only 3DS games, that can't be played on American or European 3DS systems, but left out Japanese games for the Vita, which any system can play. Stuff like Project Diva and Senran Kagura Shinovi Versus.

And you've listed unreleased/canceled games on both systems.
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tell me what to cut then bro
 
DigitalOp said:
So Wii U can recover, Vita can't. That's how its gonna be ay?

The same way people are giving the Wii U this wide open window to recover, Give the Vita the same thing. Its called being impartial.
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It's just that I feel Nintendo is commited with Wii U (that includes putting your 1st grade developers working on that system). Sony has taken a "wait and see" attitude with Vita so far. All of their devs are working on PS4 games but only few of their truly remarkable devs are doing so on Vita.
 
ArcaneFreeze said:
Of course its not a home console, but Sony has marketed it as "Console Quality on the Go" since its reveal and thats what its been judged off of since its release. Is it fair for their own company to compare it to a home console but not for the public too?
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There you go, that's why it's getting a lot of console ports. They don't play as well as on a PS3/360, but they are still a lot of fun to play on the go and play much better than on any other device out there.

What it boils down to is that I find the notion that the Vita needs exclusives to be kind of strange. I'm looking forward to them, but unless it is a game designed purely for on the go gameplay (like Lumines) than I see no problem with seeing those games on home consoles as well. Laptops, desktops and even some tablets share the same games, but many still buy GTA VC on the iPad. If you can only sell Vitas by giving it exclusives that would otherwise do fine on the PS3/PS4 then there is no market for a console on a go and they should save money making them for just the home consoles instead. I hope that's not the case.

Instead of just making exclusives I would much rather want Sony to also push ports of console games and push Vita sales with advertisement and possibly a price drop on HW.
 
KojiKnight said:
Step one: Remove your memory card.

Step two: Format your Vita

Step three: Put in your second memory card.

Step four: Sit through your system reformatting the main memory, then making you sit through the "you just bought a vita, this is how it works!" video. Then setup your second account.

Step five: repeat process every time you want to switch accounts.

It doesn't sound like a lot, but if you regularly switch back and forth, that time adds up quick.
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you can turn it off during vid to skip it.
 
Psyclone said:
I still find it hard to comprehend why the general consensus with regards to the Vita is "vita has no games... doomed".

My current Vita games folder contains the following:

Gravity Rush (PS+)
Guacamelee!
Jet Set Radio (PS+)
Lumines Electronic Symphony (PS+)
P4G
Sound Shapes
Super Stardust Delta
Thomas Was Alone (PS+)
Velocity Ultra (PS+)
Wipeout 2048 (PS+)

Not included (due to only having a 16GB card)
Uncharted GA (PS+)
MGS HD Collection (PS+)
VLR (PS+)
Sine Mora (PS+)

I haven't included any PSP or PSone games for the obvious reasons.

Would you consider this library to be lacking in any area? What genres do you think are not represented well in the Vita's game selection? or is it just that there just aren't enough games out?

I for one am very positive about E3 with regards to the PS3, Vita and PS4 announcements. I know that there have been similar threads around but do people mean when saying "Vita's doomed" ?

PS. Rayman Origins on PS+ EU in June!
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Most of those are smaller games none of us would ever play or their ports.... Vita has games but I don't think you're helping yourself with that list.
 
DigitalOp said:
This. The 3DS didn't have games that appealed to the both of you until recently. Despite that, Nobody can argue that the 3DS doesn't have any games. Why is the same being made for Vita? Because the majority of GAF doesn't like the lineup, the system has no games whatsoever??

Smells like bullshit.
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Again, The only time the words "The vita has no games" are voiced on these boards they are coming from Vita owners on the defensive and launching straw man arguments.

3ds fans simply state the reasons why they prefer the 3ds, and rarely if ever claim the "Vita has no games"
 
Sendou said:
I don't see how it's relevant but I would say it will end up a bigger success than Vita. On the other hand I think Vita will be just fine.
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That's why its relevant. Because if you think the Wii U will just rise up while the Vita will continue to struggle then you're just spouting bullshit on a forum.

But you are reasonable, and you seem to understand that the Vita is young hardware with ALOT of potential. As much as we all wanna spout knowledge, NOBODY right now knows whats Sony's plan with the Vita. That's probably a main reason why it looks a little flaky right now.

I have no doubts the release lineup will get better in the coming months.

And ive been riding all last week that the Vita will get a game that will make alot of people eat crow at E3. If not, Ill be glad to taste the black bird myself.
 
DigitalOp said:
So Wii U can recover, Vita can't. That's how its gonna be ay?

The same way people are giving the Wii U this wide open window to recover, Give the Vita the same thing. Its called being impartial.
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Gosh, it's almost like Vita has been on the market nearly a year longer. What a crazy double standard!
 
KojiKnight said:
And that's the simple fact, no one is buying it.
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And for some it's the second coming of Jesus :P

I'm glad I wasn't 13 and a GAF member back during the Dreamcast. I would have been instabanned in a day and punched my monitor when lurking afterwards. Funnily enough the Dreamcast did amazing compared to the Vita and WiiU selling 500,000 in under two weeks and it DID have games :P
Father_Brain said:
Gosh, it's almost like Vita has been on the market nearly a year longer. What a crazy double standard!
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Personally I just don't see the WiiU doing well if people will "only" buy it for Nintendo games. The gimmick doesn't appeal to casuals and it'll be too expensive just to play Nintendo games. It'll do better when more games come out, but personally even GC numbers look like a pipedream when the GC sold because it still had third parties, was as powerful as the rest and the cheapest console. The WiiU has to fight against 360 and PS3 as well.

Should stop talking about the WiiU though. I'm sort of like the Vita haters in this thread and literally see no reason to buy it other than a 300$ Mario machine. I'd rather buy a 3DS then :P
 
Personally for me, 3DS owns the Vita's ass.

Vita has zero games i'm interested in, and come on now, admit the damn thing's overpriced.

3DS is priced nicely and has some of the best games out there! (MH3U, Mario's, Fire Emblem, Kid Icarus, etc. etc.)

3DS >>>>Milesaheadof>>>>>Vita
 
DigitalOp said:
That's why its relevant. Because if you think the Wii U will just rise up while the Vita will continue to struggle then you're just spouting bullshit on a forum.

But you are reasonable, and you seem to understand that the Vita is young hardware with ALOT of potential. As much as we all wanna spout knowledge, NOBODY right now knows whats Sony's plan with the Vita. That's probably a main reason why it looks a little flaky right now.

I have no doubts the release lineup will get better in the coming months.

And ive been riding all last week that the Vita will get a game that will make alot of people eat crow at E3. If not, Ill be glad to taste the black bird myself.
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I hope you don't find this unreasonable but this is what we have been saying since launch period. "The games will come". Sony is yet to deliver. I would like to see more stuff like Tearaway coming from Sony. The key word here is "see". Promises of games will not cut it anymore.
 
Skyzard said:
Feeling offended? I wasn't pointing anyone out...
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Yes, I am very offended by your posts that would make a third grader during the 16bit wars blush.

But more than that I'm amused by how some people cope with obvious struggles their platform of choice faces. It's like Wii U owners shout "hater" when someone points these out. Or some of my PC gamer friends around the time next-gen hit.
 
SuperSah said:
Personally for me, 3DS owns the Vita's ass.

Vita has zero games i'm interested in, and come on now, admit the damn thing's overpriced.

3DS is priced nicely and has some of the best games out there! (MH3U, Mario's, Fire Emblem, Kid Icarus, etc. etc.)

3DS >>>>Milesaheadof>>>>>Vita
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I actually think the Vita's price is fairly reasonable, at least in the UK. Only £20 more than the 3DS. It's the memory cards that are insanely overpriced, and I think even the strongest of Vita defenders realize that.

The 3DS library is stacked with amazing games though.

Phoenician_Viking said:
It´s not like the WiiU is selling less than Vita in the same time frame of release or anything.
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Do we know this for sure? Last time I checked, Sony had only shipped something like 2.2m Vita units.
 
Ty4on said:
I'm glad I wasn't 13 and a GAF member back during the Dreamcast. I would have been instabanned in a day and punched my monitor when lurking afterwards.
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I really laughed out loud because I can recognize myself in this. I really loved my Dreamcast back in the day, I just couldn't comprehend why people were so hyped about the PS2 when I was having the time of my gamer life with Shenmue and PSO.
I guess I have a thing for underdog systems :lol

Sendou said:
It's not like Vita didn't have one of the best console launches in recent memory while Wii U offered little compelling reasons to buy their machine.
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So does it mean it actually has games? ;)
 
Opinions/preferences: the thread. Personally, Vita has more interesting games (and doesn't get enough credit) and I find most 3DS offerings to be boring. But that doesn't mean others don't feel the opposite. Not sure why others don't take the time to step outside their own shoes and recognize this, especially 3DS owners.

Anyway, I think better days are ahead for the Vita, especially when the remote play comes into the picture. That'll be the true killer app down the line as long as some support remains.
 
Skyzard said:
No, only after e3. They improved how they showed vita at the next events and ALL signs lead to gold for vita at e3. I suspect that's why the 3ds bullies have come to get their hits in while they can. Nintendo is going to take a beeaaating at e3. I can't blame them for being worried.
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Again, i dont see 3ds owners creating threads saying the vita has no games. It is vita owners.

And judging by the title of the thread, the OP was baiting 3ds owners to come in and explain why they prefer the 3ds.
 
Depends on what games your looking for, personally the games i want to play are not on 3ds due to its limitations and user base tastes but are on and can work on the vita. someone with more japan centric or really into nintendo games taste would think opposite. The vita will be bashed regardless if it was selling better or not, as long as its behind the 3ds people will bash. Personally i couldnt care less if the 3ds sells more if it doesnt have the games i want and isnt cabable of doing them well i dont care selling 200 million wont change it. The only important thing about the sales is if its good enough to keep the games i want and would like coming. If monster hunter came back it would be meaningless to me it would sell more and get more development of games like it. That does nothing for me im not into those games.
 
gngf123 said:
I actually think the Vita's price is fairly reasonable, at least in the UK. Only £20 more than the 3DS. It's the memory cards that are insanely overpriced, and I think even the strongest of Vita defenders realize that.

The 3DS library is stacked with amazing games though.
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I'm also a UK gamer, and just looked and didn't realise Vita's cheaper now. But is it a permanent reduction or temporary? I haven't seen a official comment from Sony.
But yeah, their memory card prices suck so hard.

£55 for a 32GB Vita card or a 64GB SDHC regular card for £40.

Yup, extra £15 for half the storage. Rip.
 
Ty4on said:
And for some it's the second coming of Jesus :P

I'm glad I wasn't 13 and a GAF member back during the Dreamcast. I would have been instabanned in a day and punched my monitor when lurking afterwards. Funnily enough the Dreamcast did amazing compared to the Vita and WiiU selling 500,000 in under two weeks and it DID have games :P
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An apt comparison. You can't insult anyone's beliefs and likewise you can't even imply there might be a reason why console X isn't selling well without stirring up the faithful.
 
Brinbe said:
Best days are ahead for the Vita, especially when the remote play comes into the picture. That'll be the true killer app down the line.
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If it works well that is. Sure it will be nice with RPG's and other similiar slow paced games but outside of that? I'm very cynical.
 
I'd like to know the percentage of how many own a 3DS that don't own a Wii or a Wii U compared to those who own a Vita that don't own a PS3.
 
Honestly by most of the logic going on around here then the WiiU has plenty of games as well.

I mean its got:

*Note: Only including games that have already been released.

NSMBU
Nintendoland
ZombiU
MH3U
Lego City Undercover
AC3
Batman: AC
CoD: Blops 2
Darksiders 2
Epic Mickey 2
Fifa 13
Fist of the North Star: Kens Rage 2
Injustice: Gods Among Us
Just Dance 4
Mass Effect 3
Madden 13
NBA 2k13
Need for Speed: Most Wanted
Ninja Gaiden 3: Razors Edge
Rabbids Land
Scribblenauts Unlimited
Skylanders Giants
Sonic All Stars Racing Transformed
Tekken Tag Tournament 2
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Online
Bit Trip Runner 2: Future Legend of Rhythm Allen
The Cave
Chasing Aurora
Cloudberry Kingdom
Little Inferno
Mighty Switch Force! Hyper Drive Edition
Nano Assault Neo
Trine 2
etc etc.

YET People say WiiU has no games. Its not that these systems dont have games, its that none of them are either quality exclusives or most are ports/remakes of already existing games on other platforms. If people are gonna stop saying that Vita has no games then people should be saying the same for WiiU right?
 
both 3ds and vita has pretty shitty library.

I cant think of a single game i would want to play for either.

In general, i think handheld gaming is way overrated on gaf. Especially the original ds.
 
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