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[Skyzard]

How were you able to set your screen like that? It looks like folders, is there an option in the system settings?

Touch one of the bubbles and hold. An option will read "create folder" (after already being in edit mode (touching screen for a bit)).

You have the latest firmware right?

 

[Gamespawn]

I completely agree with this - this is one of my biggest gripes with the Vita currently - you can't access all of it's features if you don't own a PS3.

Want to change your avatar? Don't have a PS3? Too bad.

There's also the issue of the PS3 and Vita recognizing each other in terms of online, I believe Vita owners can see PS3 owners online but not the other way around. You can finally view Vita trophies on PS3 but that took months. There's also the issue of a lot of PSP and PS1 games not being available on the Vita's store. Why? Hopefully the PS4 fixes these issues but still, you should be able to do everything as far as Vita goes, from the Vita.

I'm pretty sure you can. If not, the webstore allows you to, I think.

 

[I NEED SCISSORS]

Plenty of these things assume you have a PlayStation device that's an issue, it limits their effectiveness. You don't need to own a Nintendo device to enjoy almost all of the 3DS's advantages

If you didn't have a PS3 then surely the whole idea of "handheld ports" would be a non-issue anyway?


A lot of cross-buy games are also offered as discounted stand-alone Vita titles if that's what you want. A game might be $60 for PS3+Vita, or $40 for just Vita - the main point of the initiative is to keep that overall price for both together under the traditionally accepted $60 RRP. Or in other words, the Vita version is basically free, so the notion of having to pay double for a handheld version on top of a console version is eliminated. From that point on, it's up to the player to consider the game as more belonging to the PS3 or Vita library (or both equally if they do a lot of cross-saving and continuing their games on the go, which is one of Vita's own unique selling points that the 3DS does not have).

PS Plus is account based and has a new set of PS3 and Vita games each month, so it means that you can still get some benefits from the service even if you only own one platform. It's worse value, but that's understandable really - you still get 20 games for the price and save a lot of money overall.

This is assuming people don't use the webshop though. With that, you can even get the full benefits of Plus if you own no PlayStation device at all, since you can just claim everything that is offered for free regardless of platform. I'm a subscriber and won't be getting a PS4 at launch, yet i'll still be able to claim all the free stuff for it online.

 

[Canis lupus]

Vita is getting Hotline Miami pretty soon.

 

[Glass Rebel]

I think the cross-buy initiative and PS Plus certainly dampens a lot of the negative connotations of "ports" (or in fairer words, multiplatform titles). For many PS3/Vita games, you pay a flat fee and effectively get the Vita version (or PS3 version depending on how you see it) for free in that deal. So not only does this get rid of the stigma of having to buy everything twice when it comes to handheld games, from that point you also have a choice of what platform you prefer to play the game on. I think it's understandable for people who played Sly 4, Sound Shapes or PlayStation All-Stars on Vita to consider those primarily Vita games if that was the avenue they went down. PS Plus also throws a spanner in the works as sometimes people will get a game - say MGS HD - for the equivalent of pennies, and might not have played the PS3 version when it released months earlier. So for them, too, it would be considered primarily part of their Vita library, with the added bonus of it being ultra cheap.

Haven't you heard, ports are bad and shouldn't count as attractive title for system X.
If incredible game X is a port, people don't want it. Ports are terrible, just terrible.

Vita has ton of great games, but most are ports, so Vita has no (great) games.

Ps: 20 great ports could also be a sellingpoint...

I've said something similar to this earlier in the thread:

At this point of the generation, most people will be able to play PS3, 360 and/or PC games. So in the eyes of most people ports on new systems, that they don't own, will not be appealing enough if the main advantage is portability (and even this is highly subjective). That doesn't take away from a platform per se because ports aren't worthless and have often improved graphics, content or just reach wider audiences but they're inherently less attractive to most people who have had the chance to play these games already.

I mean, I get why Vita owners are excited for retail or indie (enhanced) ports but they have to realize that these games aren't going to convince most people.

 

[metalslimer]

Oh shadap. It was in response to someone saying 3DS is pumping out games non-stop and is something I've read users post in 3DS threads.

So you post a terrible, ill informed, no logic post in response? This is why no one takes you seriously.

 

[Skyzard]

So you post a terrible, ill informed, no logic post in response? This is why no one takes you seriously.

So it's not true Mario Kart launched with close to half the roster?

nvm


I know people like to act like they don't take me seriously. They hate what I'm saying and others worry about image. It's too bad.

 

[Not Spaceghost]

Pokemon X&Y
Bravely Default
X-Zone
Fire Emblem
Luigi's Mansion: DM
Animal Crossing
Lttp2
Soul Hackers
Devil Survivor: Overclocked, and soon DS2:BC
Monster Hunter (Tri Ultimate, and 4)
Etrian Odyssey
SMT4
Mario&Luigi
Ocarina of Time 3D
Resident Evil

Don't forget:

Ace combat Assault horizon legacy
Resident Evil Mercenaries
Street Fighter
Metal Gear Solid 3D
Sticker Star
Starfox

and like an ocean of 3DS eshop exclusives

 

[chertipros]

Didn't people said the same thing with the 3DS and the PS3?

And they stopped when those systems got games with mass appeal. The same will happen to the Vita, but that hasn't happened yet.

So it's not true Mario Kart launched with close to half the roster?

It had 17 racers, which is around the normal amount of playable characters in the Mario Kart games.

 

[Gamespawn]

How were you able to set your screen like that? It looks like folders, is there an option in the system settings?

You just long press any game on the screen to create a bubble. Then just drag what you want into it.

 

[jrDev]

I hold my handhelds to a different standard. The last thing I want to buy for them are strip down/ late ports; especially if the damn thing will cost me $300. That includes 3DS...

So in essence; Vita has no games...

 

[Gamespawn]

I hold my handhelds to a different standard. The last thing I want to buy for them are late ports; especially if the damn thing will cost me $300. That includes 3DS...

You didn't happen to by Zelda:OoT, Starfox, or Luigi's Mansion did you? Because if you did, your standards can't be that high seeing as how ALL those would be considered ports.

edit: or any of the 3DS fighting games.

 

[Principate]

You didn't happen to by Zelda:OoT, Starfox, or Luigi's Mansion did you? Because if you did, your standards can't be that high seeing as how ALL those would be considered ports.

Luigi isn't a port. It's a sequel

 

[Skyzard]

And they stopped when those systems got games with mass appeal. The same will happen to the Vita, but that hasn't happened yet.

It had 17 racers, which is around the normal amount of playable characters in the Mario Kart games.

Sorry I was remembering it wrong.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=57705966&postcount=113

 

[Velcro Fly]

Luigi's Mansion is the furthest thing from a port.

 

[Sendou]

You didn't happen to by Zelda:OoT, Starfox, or Luigi's Mansion did you? Because if you did, your standards can't be that high seeing as how ALL those would be considered ports.

edit: or any of the 3DS fighting games.

Luigi's not a port like many fine people have noted. I don't know about Dead or Alive: Dimensions, is it a port?

 

[I NEED SCISSORS]

I've said something similar to this earlier in the thread:

At this point of the generation, most people will be able to play PS3, 360 and/or PC games. So in the eyes of most people ports on new systems, that they don't own, will not be appealing enough if the main advantage is portability (and even this is highly subjective). That doesn't take away from a platform per se because ports aren't worthless and have often improved graphics, content or just reach wider audiences but they're inherently less attractive to most people who have had the chance to play these games already.

I mean, I get why Vita owners are excited for retail or indie (enhanced) ports but they have to realize that these games aren't going to convince most people.

This is a pretty good summary and I agree with it. Original games will almost always be preferable to ports.

I think one of the greatest (and well deserved) stigmas about ports though is that it's going to cost you extra to play your games on another console. I feel that cross-buy and Plus are pretty good answers to this problem and makes them much more acceptable.

That's really where I think the Vita differs from a lot of past consoles. It has a lot of ports and multiplatform titles yes, but the financial impact of that is very much reduced compared to before, so it's more acceptable from a value point of view. Value is something that I feel should come into the discussion, as I imagine for a lot of people, a console that has 20 ports of good games which are very cheap (ie. a one year Plus subscription) levels the playing field somewhat with a console that has 20 original games but they each cost $40.

I'm sure a lot of people would love to play their full PS3 games on the train or wherever if it didn't cost them so much money to buy both versions. Perhaps Sony should push that selling point more, as well as PS4 remote play at home (although ultimately original Vita titles are more important).

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Luigi's not a port like many fine people have noted. I don't know about Dead or Alive: Dimensions, is it a port?

Nope. Nor is 3D Land, Kid Icarus, Animal Crossing, or Zelda.

 

[Principate]

Nope. Nor is 3D Land, Kid Icarus, Animal Crossing, or Zelda.

OOT is an enhanced port much like P4

 

[Htown]

It's something to put in the 3DS cart slot that will keep the kids quiet.

I bet most other sales come from japan.

really? a "lol kiddy" argument?

in 2013?

 

[Velcro Fly]

Is OoT 3D the first time Master Quest has been playable on something that can actually be bought and not something you got as a preorder bonus? I mean the main game remains the same but a whole second quest is quite a bit more than you get with most other games released like that on other systems.

 

[Gamespawn]

Luigi's Mansion is the furthest thing from a port.

You're all right. Reading up on it, it looks like another re-make.

 

[Father_Brain]

Please.



You're full of shit because you state it as fact. It's not "I think ____" it's "The vita is not going to have shelf space" like you can see the future somehow. And what exactly is a miracle about what i said? I'm not claiming that I or anyone I talked to have delusions of the Vita being the next DS or anything, but they have a plan to move forward. To not die.

Likewise I'm saying "It can do this, it might do that, guys I've talked to have said this" etc. Which is how opinions work.

It's not a fact, as I don't have a working crystal ball and there are few things that are literally, 100 percent certain in the future. It's just much more grounded in factual reality than dismissing as bullshit the notion that there might be any kind of widespread and significant reduction in Vita shelf space.

 

[Skyzard]

^ heard it all last year.

really? a "lol kiddy" argument?

in 2013?

Really? Denying Nintendo targets/priorities younger gamers than Sony with the Vita? It's 2013 yo.

 

[serplux]

You're all right. Reading up on it, it looks like another re-make.

It's a sequel.

 

[Principate]

You're all right. Reading up on it, it looks like another re-make.

Might as well consider all sequels remakes.

 

[famousmortimer]

really? a "lol kiddy" argument?

in 2013?

Skyzard has jumped the shark in this thread many, many times. I mean... I love the vita, but the man is delusional.

 

[Jathaine]

Skyzard has jumped the shark in this thread many, many times. I mean... I love the vita, but the man is delusional.

Do you really love your Vita?
I mean, he's willing to lay down his life for it... but look at you.

 

[gngf123]

really? a "lol kiddy" argument?

in 2013?

That's just one of many crazy things the guy has said in this thread, man.

Really? Denying Nintendo targets/priorities younger gamers than Sony with the Vita? It's 2013 yo.

They haven't really targeted the "younger gamers" with the 3DS at all. It's honestly a really mixed bag.

 

[Skyzard]

^ That's understandable at the launch/early phase and due to its widespread success in Japan but wait a few years and see what it's like in US.

Skyzard has jumped the shark in this thread many, many times. I mean... I love the vita, but the man is delusional.

I tell people what they're leaving out.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

You're all right. Reading up on it, it looks like another re-make.

 

[Dereck]

Figboy79 won.

 

[DigitalOp]

OOT is an enhanced port much like P4

Please explain this following post. And what exactly you mean by it.

It's still a port it's not the main sku and handhelds are very differentiable to consoles. It's not unique to the platform which is what I'm guessing is the point of your list. So it's the same as port in regards to your point.



It's a worthless differentiation in this context. They talking about games unique to the platform how old the game is doesn't factor into it.

That's just one of many crazy things the guy has said in this thread, man.



They haven't really targeted the "younger gamers" with the 3DS at all. It's honestly a really mixed bag.

Nintendo doesn't have to target young gamers. Their mindshare and image already does that, Therefore they can target GAF with their software and still receive sales from parents.

 

[Gamespawn]

Might as well consider all sequels remakes.

It's a sequel.

Reading the plot, sounds exactly like the same events on the GC version. There's nothing wrong with re-makes. But calling it a sequel is like calling REmake a sequel.

Same cover for the most part.

 

[Velcro Fly]

Reading the plot, sounds exactly like the same events on the GC version. There's nothing wrong with re-makes. But calling it a sequel is like calling REmake a sequel.

Same cover for the most part.

or you know, how the game plays completely different than the original and is more focused on puzzles instead of going room by room. or how it's like 20-25 hours instead of 5 like the gamecube original. the only things that are the same is you play as luigi and you suck up ghosts in a mansion. the similarities literally end there.

 

[famousmortimer]

Do you really love your Vita?
I mean, he's willing to lay down his life for it... but look at you.

I thought I did but this thread has changed everything. I'm also some sort of turncoat because I have and love my 3DS. And I live in la la land because I don't think the vita is going to be shut down in the next year.


Everything I once thought were all lies. Hopefully Skyzard can win this war, whatever it's about. I think it's something about Mad Men vs Breaking Bad or blast processing vs mode 7 or something. Whatever it is, skyzard will save us, father_brain will follow him everywhere arguing with him, me and smokeydave will be all "but..!" and the mods will move their fingers ever closer to the ban button.


Console warz!

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Reading the plot, sounds exactly like the same events on the GC version. There's nothing wrong with re-makes. But calling it a sequel is like calling REmake a sequel.

Same cover for the most part.

Okay, using your bullshit logic, Resident Evil 3 is a remake of Resident Evil 2. Zombies in a city environment. Escape the city.

RIDDLE ME THIS GAMESPAWN.

 

[Skyzard]

I thought I did but this thread has changed everything. I'm also some sort of turncoat because I have and love my 3DS. And I live in la la land because I don't think the vita is going to be shut down in the next year.


Everything I once thought were all lies. Hopefully Skyzard can win this war, whatever it's about. I think it's something about Mad Men vs Breaking Bad or blast processing vs mode 7 or something. Whatever it is, skyzard will save us, father_brain will follow him everywhere arguing with him, me and smokeydave will be all "but..!" and the mods will move their fingers ever closer to the ban button.


Console warz!

You joke...but I see that happening. Also, ace post

 

[serplux]

Reading the plot, sounds exactly like the same events on the GC version. There's nothing wrong with re-makes. But calling it a sequel is like calling REmake a sequel.

Same cover for the most part.

 

[Velcro Fly]

Even a diehard Nintendo fanboy can look at other examples in gaming of companies having zero market competition to see why having a healthy Sony handheld on the market is a good thing. If the Vita ultimately fails all handheld gamers lose.

 

[Principate]

Please explain this following post. And what exactly you mean by it.

Zelda had numerous environments significantly altered (not simply textures and resolution), game was built from scratch on a new engine added features etc, and others. Haven't played the original or P4 golden but people act like there's a significant difference.

 

[Htown]

Even a diehard Nintendo fanboy can look at other examples in gaming of companies having zero market competition to see why having a healthy Sony handheld on the market is a good thing. If the Vita ultimately fails all handheld gamers lose.

Too bad Sony can't see why having a healthy Sony handheld on the market is a good thing. They really come across like they don't give a shit.

 

[Gamespawn]

Okay, using your bullshit logic, Resident Evil 3 is a remake of Resident Evil 2. Zombies in a city environment. Escape the city.

RIDDLE ME THIS GAMESPAWN.

Different characters, plot, and environments. LM has the SAME story with more things added to it. Thus, a re-make.

There's nothing wrong with re-makes. If I offended people, I'm sorry. I just read the plot synopsis on wiki, and compared it to the original. They're just making the original game better.

itsallgoodbaby.gif

 

[Principate]

Even a diehard Nintendo fanboy can look at other examples in gaming of companies having zero market competition to see why having a healthy Sony handheld on the market is a good thing. If the Vita ultimately fails all handheld gamers lose.

Monopoly is a thing but Nintendo has plenty of competition from smart phone. There's also a near zero chance of a dedicated handheld sequel to the Vita. Sony's prediction means they've pretty much given up.

 

[Glass Rebel]

This is a pretty good summary and I agree with it. Original games will almost always be preferable to ports.

I think one of the greatest (and well deserved) stigmas about ports though is that it's going to cost you extra to play your games on another console. I feel that cross-buy and Plus are pretty good answers to this problem and makes them much more acceptable.

That's really where I think the Vita differs from a lot of past consoles. It has a lot of ports and multiplatform titles yes, but the financial impact of that is very much reduced compared to before, so it's more acceptable from a value point of view. Value is something that I feel should come into the discussion, as I imagine for a lot of people, a console that has 20 ports of good games which are very cheap (ie. a one year Plus subscription) levels the playing field somewhat with a console that has 20 original games but they each cost $40.

I'm sure a lot of people would love to play their full PS3 games on the train or wherever if it didn't cost them so much money to buy both versions. Perhaps Sony should push that selling point more, as well as PS4 remote play at home (although ultimately original Vita titles are more important).

Cross-buy is one of the best things coming from Sony in the last few years and remote play with the PS4 will hopefully be cool as well but I wonder how big the impact here really is. I feel it won't be more than a neat option for many people.

PS+ on the other hand could be Sony's trump card against the Nextbox if they play it right.

 

[DigitalOp]

Zelda had numerous environments significantly altered (not simply textures and resolution), game was built from scratch on a new engine added features etc, and others. Haven't played the original or P4 golden but people act like there's a significant difference.

I understood the enhanced port post but I was referring to the one I quoted under it where you say a game must be "unique to a platform" in order not to be classified as a port.

What do you exactly mean by that?

 

[famousmortimer]

You're all right. Reading up on it, it looks like another re-make.

Luigi's Mansion is a port or remake in the same way that Uncharted, Wipeout, Modnation, Hot Shots Golf, Dynasty Warriors, Assasins Creed, CoD, Littlebigplanet, Lumines, Resistance, Ridge Racer, Silent Hill, Super Monkey Ball, and touch my katamari are ports for the vita.... in that they aren't fucking ports or remakes at all, they are sequels.

What in the world makes you think Luigi's Mansion is a remake?

 

[Principate]

Different characters, plot, and environments. LM has the SAME story with more things added to it. Thus, a re-make.

There's nothing wrong with re-makes. If I offended people, I'm sorry. I just read the plot synopsis on wiki, and compared it to the original. They're just making the original game better.

itsallgoodbaby.gif

So all Mario games are remakes... ohhk.....

 

[Principate]

I understood the enhanced port post but I was referring to the one I quoted under it where you say a game must be "unique to a platform" in order not to be classified as a port.

What do you exactly mean by that?

Not having the exact same game on other console and I don't mean "it's not the same game it's not the same content"

 

[Gamespawn]

Luigi's Mansion is a port or remake in the same way that Uncharted, Wipeout, Modnation, Hot Shots Golf, Dynasty Warriors, Assasins Creed, CoD, Littlebigplanet, Lumines, Resistance, Ridge Racer, Silent Hill, Super Monkey Ball, and touch my katamari are ports for the vita.... in that they aren't fucking ports or remakes at all, they are sequels.

What in the world makes you think Luigi's Manion is a remake?

Just by going off wiki. Everyone here says its not, so I must be mistaken. But reading the plot on there, it looks like a re-make.

Sorry all. Didn't mean to offend. LM must indeed be a sequel.