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[WrenchNinja]

They are meant to be special events. That's the concept of them.

Though they shouldn't be limited supply. That's just Gamestop. Everywhere else in the world does it right.

what is so special about going to a store or fast food place and downloading something

am I supposed feel like an adventuring pokemon trainer finding a legendary pokemon at the secluded dangerous location known as GAME

 

[JazzmanZ]

X and Y are half-assed games.

Can't be worse then this

 

[Toxi]

People really need to stop parroting this line. X/Y's engine may not be a shining example of optimization, but that doesn't change the fact that they did some pretty impressive technical work on the GBA and DS, especially on the audio side.

They absolutely did do a great job with the GBA. The GBA Pokemon games are beautiful for the hardware they're on and while I'm not a fan of FRLG's soundtrack, they certainly knocked it out of the park with RSE's.

Not so much with the DS with Diamond and Pearl, but at least they fixed those problems with later games, especially the fifth gen ones. And as you said, on the audio side those games were incredible.

But X and Y really do come across at half-assed at times. There's a lot of effort put into them, don't get me wrong, but stuff like the clusterfuck that is Lumiose City shows an overall lower level of polish.

Can't be worse then this

That was A. Actually funny and B. Only on one route instead of half a goddamn city that you'd probably accidentally wander into because the camera in that area sucks so badly.

 

[Neiteio]

Ever the optimistic my friend.

Personally I'd have made a steam pokemon look like an elaborate kettle monster, people would accuse me of having run out of ideas and just having wandered through my kitchen minutes prior but dammit I don't care, Kettlemon would be grand.

But it does look awesome! Strong silhouette, striking color scheme, scary grimace. It resembles its namesake (a volcano), with the added mystique of the ring-shaped tentacle apparatus. Not as cool as Hoopa's alternate form, but still one of the stronger designs!

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Really? You know damn well they couldn't just take someone else's shit and claim it as your own. That wouldn't fit in Pokemon because it got Toriyama's stink all over it. They got to put their own stink on it. Going for something where you can see the flowing ooze conveys more that this is a product of pollution a curse left behind as they say.

I didn't say they needed to take his design. You asked me to show you what I think a good design of a living slime was, and I showed you.

Look, I really don't care if you like the Pokemon designs or not. I'm not telling you that you can't like how Grimer looks. All I'm saying is that you're pretty delusional if you think that the same people who come into these threads complaining that Game Freak has run out of ideas wouldn't be in here saying the same shit if those Pokemon never existed and GF showed them off as new Pokemon for Pokemon Z.

 

[linkandzelda]

Gen 6 is tied with gen 2 for the 2nd lowest number of legends in the series.



Diancie and Hoopa, already released.

Gen 1: 4 Legends, 1 Mythical
Gen 2: 5 Legends, 1 Mythical
Gen 3: 8 Legends, 2 Mythicals
Gen 4: 9 Legends, 5 Mythicals
Gen 5: 9 Legends, 4 Mythicals
Gen 6: 3 Legends, 3 Mythicals

Gen 6 has the lowest number of Legends, Gen 1 has the lowest number of Mythicals + Legends and is tied with Gen 2 for the lowest number of Mythicals.

 

[JoeM86]

what is so special about going to a store or fast food place and downloading something

am I supposed feel like an adventuring pokemon trainer finding a legendary pokemon at the secluded dangerous location known as GAME

The idea of Pokémon is for people to come together, in real life to battle and trade and holding events for people to attend which get people in a place (typically there's other reasons, distributions are often the secondary thing...a gift for being somewhere) is a fantastic way to do it.

Basically, when this stops happening, in-life events stop happening.

Source: https://twitter.com/cap_coffee/status/675518621028712448

Note: This was from the Shiny Diancie event that started in Japan on Saturday so they aren't going anywhere.

 

[NipplesAndToes23]

That doesn't make it half-arsed. People throw that term around too liberally

Yeah, I can tell he's someone who hasn't tried game development himself if that's considered half ass.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

No.

Gen 1: 3 Legends, 1 Mythical
Gen 2: 5 Legends, 1 Mythical
Gen 3: 8 Legends, 2 Mythicals
Gen 4: 9 Legends, 5 Mythicals
Gen 5: 9 Legends, 4 Mythicals
Gen 6: 3 Legends, 3 Mythicals

Gen 6 is tied with Gen 1 for the lowest number of legends but Gen 1 has the lowest number of Mythicals + Legends and is tied with Gen 2 for the lowest number of Mythicals.

You forgot Mewtwo, Gen 1 has 4 legends and 1 Mythical.

 

[Toxi]

But it does look awesome! Strong silhouette, striking color scheme, scary grimace. It resembles its namesake (a volcano), with the added mystique of the ring-shaped tentacle apparatus. Not as cool as Hoopa's alternate form, but still one of the stronger designs!

I'd say it's the weakest legendary design in Gen 6. I actually like pretty much every Gen 6 legendary besides Volcanion. Xerneas is a regal-looking animal that looks very different from other box legendaries, Yveltal is fucking badass and adorable, Zygarde is a snake with an otherworldly feel, Diancie is solid with a kickass mega, Hoopa is mischievously adorable and its alternate form really communicates its gimmick.

Volcanion... It feels robotic, but not in a cool way like Genesect.

 

[ArchedThunder]

The idea of Pokémon is for people to come together, in real life to battle and trade and holding events for people to attend which get people in a place (typically there's other reasons, distributions are often the secondary thing...a gift for being somewhere) is a fantastic way to do it.

Basically, when this stops happening, in-life events stop happening.


Note: This was from the Shiny Diancie event that started in Japan on Saturday so they aren't going anywhere.

It doesn't work that way outside of Japan though, so why bother? In person events in the west don't work as intended, they should just do them on wifi.

 

[Toxi]

Yeah, I can tell he's someone who hasn't tried game development himself if that's considered half ass.

When I say "half-assed", it's only relative to other Pokemon games. Obviously a game with that much shit took a lot of hard work from the programmers and designers.

 

[JoeM86]

It doesn't work that way outside of Japan though, so why bother? In person events in the west don't work as intended, they should just do them on wifi.

That's because they open it wide and make it entire store chains, which I get.

Though I have had many a battle and trade from going to these events.

Going WiFi is fine for some, but they want their events to have context, they want it to have meaning and throwing all of the events on WiFi doesn't work that way.

 

[linkandzelda]

You forgot Mewtwo, Gen 1 has 4 legends and 1 Mythical.

Corrected, thanks.

 

[Newtype-001]

Looks so bad cept for the donut ring.

 

[RionaaM]

Events are not given just to be given. They have context and are held for that context and that's why the majority are still in-life events.

Mythicals typically do get repeated over WiFi at a later point. I'll be surprised if we don't get a Hoopa one next year.

Yes, I know they are meant to be special and hard to get. But when half of your player base* lives in countries that can't get it physically, wouldn't it be nice to do it over the internet and make them feel included too?

I can only hope they do what you're saying and deliver it online somewhere down the line. As someone who recently started to try and complete the Pokedex (I'm nowhere near there, though), I'd appreciate GF throwing me a bone a lot.


*: number pulled out of my ass, of course, but it serves to make my point.

 

[Crayolan]

No.

Gen 1: 4 Legends, 1 Mythical
Gen 2: 5 Legends, 1 Mythical
Gen 3: 8 Legends, 2 Mythicals
Gen 4: 9 Legends, 5 Mythicals
Gen 5: 9 Legends, 4 Mythicals
Gen 6: 3 Legends, 3 Mythicals

Gen 6 has the lowest number of Legends, Gen 1 has the lowest number of Mythicals + Legends and is tied with Gen 2 for the lowest number of Mythicals.

I was combining legends and mythicals into a single number.

 

[linkandzelda]

I was combining legends and mythicals into a single number.

And as I said Gen 1 has the lowest number of Legends + Mythicals.

 

[JoeM86]

Yes, I know they are meant to be special and hard to get. But when half of your player base* lives in countries that can't get it physically, wouldn't it be nice to do it over the internet and make them feel included too?

I can only hope they do what you're saying and deliver it online somewhere down the line. As someone who recently started to try and complete the Pokedex (I'm nowhere near there, though), I'd appreciate GF throwing me a bone a lot.


*: number pulled out of my ass, of course, but it serves to make my point.

And eventually the Mythicals are put on WiFi as a catch up event or to promote other things

Keldeo was
Genesect was
Victini was
Celebi was
Mew was
Jirachi was
Diancie was
Deoxys was

Hoopa undoubtedly will be in 2016 and Volcanion will in 2017.

 

[Crayolan]

And as I said Gen 1 has the lowest number of Legends + Mythicals.

Which is why I said gen 6 is tied for 2nd lowest.

I think you misread my post.

 

[tim_pkmn89]

what is so special about going to a store or fast food place and downloading something

am I supposed feel like an adventuring pokemon trainer finding a legendary pokemon at the secluded dangerous location known as GAME

Because it lets them advertise the Pokemon in those stores, so people who don't check internet sites daily can find out about them.

 

[ArchedThunder]

That's because they open it wide and make it entire store chains, which I get.

Though I have had many a battle and trade from going to these events.

Going WiFi is fine for some, but they want their events to have context, they want it to have meaning and throwing all of the events on WiFi doesn't work that way.

The only context is that they release them around a movie. I've gone to get a number of event Legendaries since HGSS and not once were there people trading and battling. People grab their mon either outside the store or in the corner away from the traffic in the store and then leave.

And eventually the Mythicals are put on WiFi as a catch up event or to promote other things

Keldeo was
Genesect was
Victini was
Celebi was
Mew was
Jirachi was
Diancie was
Deoxys was

Hoopa undoubtedly will be in 2016 and Volcanion will in 2017.

Meloetta never got a wifi event, so it's entirely possible Volcanion won't.

 

[Neiteio]

I'd say it's the weakest legendary design in Gen 6. I actually like pretty much every Gen 6 legendary besides Volcanion. Xerneas is a regal-looking animal that looks very different from other box legendaries, Yveltal is fucking badass and adorable, Zygarde is a snake with an otherworldly feel, Diancie is solid with a kickass mega, Hoopa is mischievously adorable and its alternate form really communicates its gimmick.

Volcanion... It feels robotic, but not in a cool way like Genesect.

Well, nothing tops Yveltal and Xerneas in my book (coolest-looking legendary duo ever), but I don't think Volcanion is a slouch by any means :-\

 

[linkandzelda]

Which is why I said gen 6 is tied for 2nd lowest.

I think you misread my post.

Ah, I did.

 

[The Lamp]

Pokemon haven't looked consistently great since gen 2-3.

This one looks like it screams of "outta ideas"

It makes total sense. The ring is a pipe where boiling steam is created. It's a great idea because steam is extremely powerful and uses both heat and water.

 

[JoeM86]

The only context is that they release them around a movie. I've gone to get a number of event Legendaries since HGSS and not once were there people trading and battling. People grab their mon either outside the store or in the corner away from the traffic in the store and then leave.

And that's why they shifted to Serial Code events rather than local wireless.

 

[ArchedThunder]

And that's why they shifted to Serial Code events rather than local wireless.

And then people asked for a code and left. Nothing changed. Now it's local wireless again, just at a fast food joint.

 

[Berordn]

And then people asked for a code and left. Nothing changed. Now it's local wireless again, just at a fast food joint.

Which is just a cross promotion for the happy meal toys as well.

Once they stopped doing the cross country events, it really just turned into advertising.

 

[Crash Station]

So what type combinations have we not seen yet?

 

[JoeM86]

Which is just a cross promotion for the happy meal toys as well.

Once they stopped doing the cross country events, it really just turned into advertising.

Na, it always has been. You were just younger and didn't see it

 

[RionaaM]

Hoopa will almost certainly have an online distribution in mid 2016 with a local Volcanion distribution sometime in 2016 and an online Volcanion distribution in early-mid 2017.

And eventually the Mythicals are put on WiFi as a catch up event or to promote other things

Keldeo was
Genesect was
Victini was
Celebi was
Mew was
Jirachi was
Diancie was
Deoxys was

Hoopa undoubtedly will be in 2016 and Volcanion will in 2017.

OK, looks like I'll have to wait then. Didn't know all those mythicals were delivered via Wi-Fi, except for Celebi and Diancie which I got on Pokemon Y (or Alpha Sapphire, can't remember), and Deoxys which was catchable in ORAS' Delta Episode. I suppose they did that during gen 5, which I missed due to not owning a DS (not blaming GF for this, it's my fault).

 

[ArchedThunder]

OK, looks like I'll have to wait then. Didn't know all those mythicals were delivered via Wi-Fi, except for Celebi and Diancie which I got on Pokemon Y (or Alpha Sapphire, can't remember), and Deoxys which was catchable in ORAS' Delta Episode. I suppose they did that during gen 5, which I missed due to not owning a DS (not blaming GF for this, it's my fault).

The final Mythical for Gen 5 never got a wifi event, the same is possible for Volcanion.

 

[JoeM86]

OK, looks like I'll have to wait then. Didn't know all those mythicals were delivered via Wi-Fi, except for Celebi and Diancie which I got on Pokemon Y (or Alpha Sapphire, can't remember), and Deoxys which was catchable in ORAS' Delta Episode. I suppose they did that during gen 5, which I missed due to not owning a DS (not blaming GF for this, it's my fault).

Celebi was slightly different. You got it as a gift all through last year (December '13 to September '14) for using Pokémon Bank. Could have got it with the free trial when they did it.

The final Mythical for Gen 5 never got a wifi event, the same is possible for Volcanion.

Genesect is the final one and was first given as a WiFi event due to how Gen 5 suddenly sped up to its close.

 

[WrenchNinja]

The idea of Pokémon is for people to come together, in real life to battle and trade and holding events for people to attend which get people in a place (typically there's other reasons, distributions are often the secondary thing...a gift for being somewhere) is a fantastic way to do it.

Basically, when this stops happening, in-life events stop happening.

Weird how I've never seen this happen at any EBgames, Toys R Us or McDonalds over the course of twenty years. Seems like a pretty faulty plan to force people to execute on the idea of the series. If you were holding a tournament at these locations, or yknow an actual event, that would make sense. But none of these distributions do that, they're just locations you go in and out of to download something or find out that they ran of distribution codes.

Is your example from a Pokémon centre? Even if it's not, using Japan as an example seems kind of weak

Because it lets them advertise the Pokemon in those stores, so people who don't check internet sites daily can find out about them.

I don't check pokemon sites daily, nor do I walk by these locations frequently enough to pay attention to their ads. I miss most of these events tbqh as they're really bad at advertising them

wouldn't it more helpful if gamefreak had spot pass notifications to advertise this stuff. I mean the wii u constantly advertises shit when you turn it on, would probably help more than the nothing they do on the 3ds already

 

[linkandzelda]

The final Mythical for Gen 5 never got a wifi event, the same is possible for Volcanion.

Genesect was only distributed by WiFi in the west. It had a local distribution in Japan as well though.

 

[Berordn]

Na, it always has been. You were just younger and didn't see it

I mean, it always is but it comes off as more palatable when its to draw crowds to a Pokemon event or meet up. When its just to draw me to GameStop to promote the newest game it loses any engagement it may have had.

Somewhere totally unrelated like McDonald's feels even worse.

 

[ArchedThunder]

Genesect is the final one and was first given as a WiFi event due to how Gen 5 suddenly sped up to its close.

Genesect was only distributed by WiFi in the west. It had a local distribution in Japan as well though.

for some reason I thought Meloetta was the final one, either way A Gen 5 mythic didn't get a wifi event, so who knows what will happen with Gen VI.

 

[linkandzelda]

So what type combinations have we not seen yet?

Normal
Normal/Ice
Normal/Poison
Normal/Bug
Normal/Rock
Normal/Ghost
Normal/Dragon
Normal/Dark
Normal/Steel

Fire
Fire/Grass
Fire/Ice
Fire/Poison
Fire/Fairy

Electric
Electric/Fighting
Electric/Poison
Electric/Psychic
Electric/Rock
Electric/Dark

Grass
Grass/Fire

Ice
Ice/Normal
Ice/Fire
Ice/Fighting
Ice/Poison
Ice/Bug
Ice/Steel
Ice/Fairy

Fighting
Fighting/Electric
Fighting/Ice
Fighting/Ground
Fighting/Ghost
Fighting/Dragon
Fighting/Fairy

Poison
Poison/Normal
Poison/Fire
Poison/Electric
Poison/Ice
Poison/Psychic
Poison/Rock
Poison/Steel
Poison/Fairy

Ground
Ground/Fighting
Ground/Fairy

Psychic
Psychic/Electric
Psychic/Poison
Psychic/Bug

Bug
Bug/Normal
Bug/Ice
Bug/Psychic
Bug/Dragon
Bug/Dark
Bug/Fairy

Rock
Rock/Normal
Rock/Electric
Rock/Poison
Rock/Ghost

Ghost
Ghost/Normal
Ghost/Fighting
Ghost/Rock
Ghost/Fairy

Dragon
Dragon/Normal
Dragon/Fighting
Dragon/Bug

Dark
Dark/Normal
Dark/Electric
Dark/Bug
Dark/Fairy

Steel
Steel/Normal
Steel/Ice
Steel/Poison

Fairy
Fairy/Fire
Fairy/Ice
Fairy/Fighting
Fairy/Poison
Fairy/Ground
Fairy/Bug
Fairy/Ghost
Fairy/Dark

Source:
http://pokemondb.net/pokebase/186415/what-are-all-type-combinations-that-dont-exist

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

I believe the animal design is because he's meant to be based on the Shisa guardian lion-dogs popular in Okinawa, or that's the common speculation.

 

[NipplesAndToes23]

I didn't say they needed to take his design. You asked me to show you what I think a good design of a living slime was, and I showed you.

Look, I really don't care if you like the Pokemon designs or not. I'm not telling you that you can't like how Grimer looks. All I'm saying is that you're pretty delusional if you think that the same people who come into these threads complaining that Game Freak has run out of ideas wouldn't be in here saying the same shit if those Pokemon never existed and GF showed them off as new Pokemon for Pokemon Z.

That's not what you originally said, but you did lump me in with those others like it applies to all within that condition and while it might apply to some, it don't apply to all case in point me and it's not delusional to think I'm the only one that cuts different from the cloth. It sounds like a lot of assumptions without particularly asking these people why and one would have to care what he or she likes if they're already assuming what he or she likes to begin with.

 

[Diffense]

Every new Pokemon thread turns into a debate about Pokemon design aesthetics. Newsflash! There are over 700 of these things and you'll like some more than others. It's called personal preference. Furthermore, some Pokemon suck in battle and others are ugly or plain. It's always been this way...since Gen I (which gave us Magikarp, Mr.Mime, and Electrode).

 

[NipplesAndToes23]

Normal
Normal/Ice
Normal/Poison
Normal/Bug
Normal/Rock
Normal/Ghost
Normal/Dragon
Normal/Dark
Normal/Steel

Fire
Fire/Grass
Fire/Ice
Fire/Poison
Fire/Fairy

Electric
Electric/Fighting
Electric/Poison
Electric/Psychic
Electric/Rock
Electric/Dark

Grass
Grass/Fire
Grass/Dragon

Ice
Ice/Normal
Ice/Fire
Ice/Fighting
Ice/Poison
Ice/Bug
Ice/Steel
Ice/Fairy

Fighting
Fighting/Electric
Fighting/Ice
Fighting/Ground
Fighting/Ghost
Fighting/Dragon
Fighting/Fairy

Poison
Poison/Normal
Poison/Fire
Poison/Electric
Poison/Ice
Poison/Psychic
Poison/Rock
Poison/Steel
Poison/Fairy

Ground
Ground/Fighting
Ground/Fairy

Psychic
Psychic/Electric
Psychic/Poison
Psychic/Bug

Bug
Bug/Normal
Bug/Ice
Bug/Psychic
Bug/Dragon
Bug/Dark
Bug/Fairy

Rock
Rock/Normal
Rock/Electric
Rock/Poison
Rock/Ghost

Ghost
Ghost/Normal
Ghost/Fighting
Ghost/Rock
Ghost/Fairy

Dragon
Dragon/Normal
Dragon/Grass
Dragon/Fighting
Dragon/Bug
Dragon/Fairy

Dark
Dark/Normal
Dark/Electric
Dark/Bug
Dark/Fairy

Steel
Steel/Normal
Steel/Ice
Steel/Poison

Fairy
Fairy/Fire
Fairy/Ice
Fairy/Fighting
Fairy/Poison
Fairy/Ground
Fairy/Bug
Fairy/Ghost
Fairy/Dragon
Fairy/Dark

Source:
http://pokemondb.net/pokebase/186415/what-are-all-type-combinations-that-dont-exist

That's a damn lot considering how long they've been in this. I expect Fairy to not touch much since it was just created, but I'd think the majority on that list would've been touched at least once already.

 

[linkandzelda]

That's a damn lot considering how long they've been in this. I expect Fairy to not touch much since it was just created, but I'd think the majority on that list would've been touched at least once already.

Note that because they are dual types, they are all listed twice.

There are 38/324 combinations to go.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

There's Dragon/Grass

Mega Sceptile

Fairy/Dragon too, Mega Altaria

 

[Diffense]

Does that list discount megas because a few of them got new type combinations? IIRC, Mega Sceptile is Grass/Dragon and Mega Altaria is Dragon/Fairy.

 

[ArchedThunder]

The fact that they have yet to make a Dark Bug is kinda crazy to me.

 

[linkandzelda]

There's Dragon/Grass

Mega Sceptile

Fairy/Dragon too, Mega Altaria

Does that list discount megas because a few of them got new type combinations? IIRC, Mega Sceptile is Grass/Dragon and Mega Altaria is Dragon/Fairy.

Edited, I forgot the source was from before the ORAS Megalutions.

 

[Clefargle]

Oh boy, here we go again. At least gen 3 is now included. Maybe a decade for now you'll be up to gen 6



If you think X/Y was the only gen with leaks...then you must be selectively ignoring the previous ones

Yeah, people trip over themselves trying to quantify the exact moment game freak dropped the ball on Pokemon design completely. I'm fine with taking each Pokemons design on its own merits and not tying them into a gen. I think there are plenty of lame Pokemon designs but just as many great ones. I liked the last ten and every gen before it and I don't sit around and reminisce of a "time of great design" because I remember Jynx and Magneton ect.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

So what is it effective/weak against?

This so representative of everything that's wrong with modern Pokemon.

 

[ArchedThunder]

This so representative of everything that's wrong with modern Pokemon.

Type effectiveness and dual types have been around since day 1...