Aaronrules380
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It absolutely has been a huge issue that can singlehandedly break a candidate for many americans unfortunately. There are tons of people in rural america who being pro-choice is a deal breaker for
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Vox: Elizabeth Warren fires back at centrist Democrats
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It absolutely has been a huge issue that can singlehandedly break a candidate for many americans unfortunately. There are tons of people in rural america who being pro-choice is a deal breaker for
Sinfamy
Member
I don't personally consider it "rigged" by definition, but the DNC chair literally stepped down amidst the information dump showing the DNCs non-neutral stance and preferencial treatment of one candidate.
That is an objective fact.
I hope people are more careful when using the word rigged which implies an illegitimate voting process, which is not true, but there was definitely misconduct in the way things were handled.
Warren wasn't the chosen one. She wouldn't have survived.
minor effort
Banned
Youre free to follow Trump and the rest of the far right into their goalposts if thats how you feel the country is moving and should be moving.
Sinfamy
Member
Fake news.
The only time the Democrats won overwhelmingly was in 2008 with a progressive (relative), populist candidate.
Democrats have been trying to move right for years now and been losing election after election.
Ask Alison Lundergan Grimes how her campaign went.
Wafflecakes
Member
One could argue that Obama would be considered a centrist in 2008 easily by today's standards considering his positions on issues such as gay marriage. Of course, he was quite progressive compared to say... Bill Clinton.
That said, I do think that the party is rightfully moving to the left. However, they shouldn't take that as permission to go crazy.
Most of this is bullshit, the people you are talking about that hate her while also believing the same things, hate her because she stayed on the sidelines between Clinton and Bernie. They all thought she would back Bernie as she is politically aligned with him as being more liberal than most and she took what they seen as the cowards way out.
A lot of people take more offense to those who sit idly by as things go to shit than those that take a terrible position. Neogaf (many Clinton supporters) is a good example as every thread that reminds us of 2016 election, you see people scold those who chose not to vote because of what they saw as 2 terrible options.
Imperfected
Member
I don't know, it feels like it always is and would be something.
If a Democratic candidate came out as anti-abortion and pro-guns, the rural voters would just suddenly decide that not teaching Creationism in schools is disqualifying, or that being "harder on drugs" is a requirement for candidates, or etc.
Most "single-issue voters" are probably actually habitual party voters who are just don't really want to engage in political discourse and have found shouting really loud about one thing is the best way to avoid people engaging with them.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
It's the opposite actually. Provide a viable progressive alternative that inspires, and the wins will come.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Stop firing back at people who vote for you.
Obama ran to Hillary's right in the primaries!
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The republicans spent like 2 decades arguing that it was the RINO's fault every time hey lost anything.
The reason they keep getting back the various branches has nothing to do with ideological purity and more because the way politics work is that people constantly vote the sitting party out of power.
Presidential elections are won as a personality contest based on which candidate is flashier.
The reason they keep getting back the various branches has nothing to do with ideological purity and more because the way politics work is that people constantly vote the sitting party out of power.
Presidential elections are won as a personality contest based on which candidate is flashier.
The first sentence is true. The second is bullshit. If Dems want to lose another Presidential election, then by all means nominate Warren, though. Obama was as close to a "liberal centrist" Democrat as you can get on a number of issues (when he first ran - remember his initial stance on gay marriage?). The country is center to slightly center right, so choosing a lighting rod who's further left than Obama is the path to irrelevance as a party. I say this as a lifelong Democrat.
Reverse that. He is a barometer for where the country has been. Younger voters are overwhelmingly dem.
AmayaPapaya
Banned
I love Warren. If she ran for president, she would have won. The primary and the general. Can't blame her for not wanting to though, hindsight is 2020. No one could have predicted Bernie or Trump.
I'm taking this as she is thinking about running. 2020 dems may be Bernie, Warren, Harris, Cuomo, Booker, Gilbrand, and that one guy Obama wants. Can't think of anyone else atm. I hope Bernie and Warren don't split their votes and work together if it appears they are hurting the progressive ticket. Excluding Harris, I really don't want any of those other guys getting the nomination, especially Booker.
I'm taking this as she is thinking about running. 2020 dems may be Bernie, Warren, Harris, Cuomo, Booker, Gilbrand, and that one guy Obama wants. Can't think of anyone else atm. I hope Bernie and Warren don't split their votes and work together if it appears they are hurting the progressive ticket. Excluding Harris, I really don't want any of those other guys getting the nomination, especially Booker.
The Wraith
Member
The Democrat with the biggest balls in the party is the one who, anatomically doesn't possess any. I love her so much.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Man every time I see you post I keep thinking it's me since that's my Battle.net, iPhone, MacBook, wireless, Discord username
Unknown Soldier
Member
This is wrong. Trump was a reactionary choice for people who didn't feel like they had any say in the government. It was a "fuck you" vote.
Give people an actual choice which reflects what they want to say and they will win votes in a landslide. It's like people completely forgot how Obama won in 2008.
Messofanego
Banned
But I heard centrism is a great place to be!
Angelus Errare
Banned
Yes. Over Bernie too. Bernie was technically further left, meaning the more moderate option won.
I mean, everyone hates Mark Penn!
Angelus Errare
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If this is your argument that we're moving right/Trump is the direction the country is moving to because Hillary beat them both I'ma need you to take another shot at this whole thing.
I'm saying that continuing to move further and further left doesn't just continue to add votes without losing any. Centrists need someone too.
gutter_trash
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Says the former Republican
shawnbuddy
Member
If she runs in 2020 I'll back her however I can.
Only if you never bothered to look at the underlying numbers.
clarknova156
Member
Warren PLEASE RUN IN 2020! I'd Happy vote and push for your support! We need you to fix the mess the man baby will leave behind.
Perhaps you'd care to expand upon those differences?
shawnbuddy
Member
Don't think she has a GAF account but you never know. Maybe she'll work "$30 Italian Meal" into a speech.
I see the usual shitty leftist propaganda. Clinton showed us the way for democrats to be loved: slash welfare, go hard on crime with a good crime reform, and slash regulations on bank that just burden the economy like the Glass-Steagall, a move that was widely praised and approved by extremely competent and bipartisanly liked economists of the likes of Greenspan, Rubin and Summers.
This is the only sustainable way forward for America. Corporations need that help or else they won't create jobs anymore and the economy will collapse.
This is the only sustainable way forward for America. Corporations need that help or else they won't create jobs anymore and the economy will collapse.
This is blatantly untrue. Trump won the 2016 US election because the american people wanted change and he inspired that concept within his base more then Clinton did with hers.
A bold democratic party that is geared towards political reform (in a non evil way) and manages to communicate that to every state with compassion and humility will do very well.
As for Abortion. In spoilers since its a controversial topic
Pro Life vs Pro Choice is a PR battle that the "Pro Choice" side cannot win. You are arguing that women should have the right to kill babies. People don't want to be seen as voting for a party of babykillers.
Rebranding your platform and redefining the Abortion debate on different terms is the only way democrats will succeed in keeping their soul and selling it to the majority of Americans. Something like Pro Compassion vs Pro Shame is a much easier sell or even co opting the "Pro Life" term and pushing the Republican position to a more negative term is the only way forward.
Rebranding your platform and redefining the Abortion debate on different terms is the only way democrats will succeed in keeping their soul and selling it to the majority of Americans. Something like Pro Compassion vs Pro Shame is a much easier sell or even co opting the "Pro Life" term and pushing the Republican position to a more negative term is the only way forward.
Whoever they want. Thats how democracy works. No candidate is ever perfect and when voting you are sometimes forced to choose the less bad candidate. However given the far right position and incompetance of this current administration i dont see how any reasonable person could consider themselves a centerist and still vote to support their policies.
old manatee
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Images speak louder than words:
Even american patriots like McCain were there celebrating. That's how real governing work. You have to work with other side to get real good acts of legislation passed, like the financial services modernization act and the prison reform that Clinton did. We need to go back to that and work with the good people of the GOP once again.
Arrogant Bastard
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Sorry, you need centrist democrats, not sure what Warren is on about.
She's a senator for Massachusetts. MA's other senator today just tweeted #BlackLivesMatter. They're not banking on the political spectrum's fence sitting
old manatee
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Images speak louder than words:
Even american patriots like McCain were there celebrating. That's how real governing work. You have to work with other side to get real good acts of legislation passed, like the financial services modernization act and the prison reform that Clinton did. We need to go back to that and work with the good people of the GOP once again.
Lol ok got it
Arrogant Bastard
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Obama was lightning in a bottle, the perfect storm, or whatever cliche you want to use. Damn near anyone running as a D was going to win. We just had eight years of Bush, it was also nice that white people got to assuage their guilt by voting for a perfect black man.
Funny thing Obama gets demonized by many on the progressive left because he is seen as too moderate, sell out, etc.
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thepotatoman
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It's baffling that some people think the center is the way to go after what happened 2016. If you can't convince the center to vote against Trump in huge numbers, than you'll never convince them to vote for any democrat. You don't even necessarily have to go as far as Bernie, but you have to at least move toward him.
I guess even pragmatic centrists have a bias toward thinking their own beliefs are the most popular.
I guess even pragmatic centrists have a bias toward thinking their own beliefs are the most popular.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
She's the splash of cold water to the face that drunken Washington needs from time to time. Shame she's too honest to be electable.
Father_Brain
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Centrism as it's defined in American politics has very little to do with where the actual center of public opinion is at any given time.
Unknown Soldier
Member
After 2016 I'll be quite happy to never see the word 'queen' ever used again except to refer to a rock band and also the ruling monarch of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.