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VR is a fad and will never take off

Jesus Christ, is this thread still going?

The world: Did ya see that Sonic trailer?

The VR troll army: THE TRAILER SOLD OUT!! UNINFORMED... HEAVY INVESTMENTS INTO SONIC... LOOK AT MCDONALDS... IF MCDONALDS IS DOING GOOD, SO WILL SONIC!! EDUCATE... YOURSELF. JUST WAIT FOR SONIC 5....
 
Krabba said:
Jesus Christ, is this thread still going?

The world: Did ya see that Sonic trailer?

The VR troll army: THE TRAILER SOLD OUT!! UNINFORMED... HEAVY INVESTMENTS INTO SONIC... LOOK AT MCDONALDS... IF MCDONALDS IS DOING GOOD, SO WILL SONIC!! EDUCATE... YOURSELF. JUST WAIT FOR SONIC 5....
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Look who's helping move the thread along.

Quite ironic you call out the 'VR troll army' which by the way, doesn't exist, when you yourself are trolling at this point.
 
Krabba said:
Jesus Christ, is this thread still going?

The world: Did ya see that Sonic trailer?

The VR troll army: THE TRAILER SOLD OUT!! UNINFORMED... HEAVY INVESTMENTS INTO SONIC... LOOK AT MCDONALDS... IF MCDONALDS IS DOING GOOD, SO WILL SONIC!! EDUCATE... YOURSELF. JUST WAIT FOR SONIC 5....
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Man you are so salty, you just cannot let people have fun and enjoy things. Btw Blood and Truth VR on PSVR number 1 selling physical game in the UK atm. Oculus Quest is selling boat loads and bringing in a ton of new VR virgins.


Since you mentioned Mcdonalds.
 
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So much positive VR news these past weeks I can't even keep up with it. Before this thread I thought VR had a good chance of making it, now, it's almost guaranteed in my mind. Thanks to the OP and doing my own research.

Even more big players jumping back in with reinvestments.

www.roadtovr.com

Samsung Reportedly to Release "multiple AR and VR products" in Coming Months

Samsung hasn’t really said much about VR since the release of Samsung Odyssey+, the hardware refresh to its Windows Mixed Reality headset that came to market in October 2018. However at Augmented World Expo (AWE), the company offered a few brief statements to underline their continued commitment...
www.roadtovr.com www.roadtovr.com
 
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Wonko_C said:
I wish I could watch the E3 conferences/showfloor in VR, it would be cool seeing the venues and exhibits like being there. I also would go crazy if I could virtually be in the Mandalay Bay for EVO 2019.
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I would legit pay to do e3 conferences in VR
 
Owari said:
PCVR has a future.

Console VR does not.
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Interesting thought.
I believe console VR is dwarfing PCVR sales right now. The Oculus Quest is shit hot atm combined with PSVR the only two real competitors, they seem to be the more popular.

My guess is all in one VR headsets will become like handheld gaming. You don't need a pc powerhouse to enjoy VR.
 
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Owari said:
PCVR has a future.

Console VR does not.
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Both have their space. I'm having PCVR and my PSVR and I'm predominantly playing on PSVR, since it is just simple to use, while SteamVR is still a bit rough around the edges. It took almost no time to set up PSVR and it's super quick to get going for a bit of beat saber. On PCVR setting up everything took me a couple of evenings, and sometimes it still causes issues with select pieces of software. Console VR is plug & play, PCVR not so much.
 
Owari said:
PCVR has a future.

Console VR does not.
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Uhh, what? Might I remind you which platform has the most sales? We might not know PC VR sales exactly, and maybe it suprasses console, but we only have one real console VR solution at the moment which includes the best selling high-end headset. Microsoft hasn't stepped in yet and Nintendo haven't gone proper.
 
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So guys, what are the chances of a game like the new Cyberpunk to be playable in the PS5? I just heard some pretty good things about skyrim vr and I imagine myself getting in vr with a open world game like cyberpunk, and fuuuuff must be an incredible experience for shure. Maybe a vr gimped version? Can I forget about a ps5 vr version?
 
Owari said:
PCVR has a future.

Console VR does not.
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Both has a future, but console VR might have an even bigger future. Content made specifically for one headset and rendering capability and ease of use a console can provide, has a much higher chance of going mainstream. As sales numbers reflect. This is even at the end of a console generation.
 
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gifgaf said:
No, I seriously do not understand your point, nice MSpaint graphic though.




Ok so we agree that

and


Is wrong then? good.

The HP Reverb is a real headset and that screenshot is real with a real world improvement in resolution. Heres Adam Savage's Tested talking about it. (I'm not saying this headset is a good headset)







PS4 and PC both play flat screen and VR games. I really do not know what your point here is sorry. If you are saying that flat screen games cannot work in VR then again you are completely wrong, Its not that hard (In comparison to making a game from the ground up) to convert any game to VR Here are some examples of that happening with just a few tweaks.

Doom 3 modded to play in VR (Its good too)




Alien Isolation modded to play in VR




Dolphin Emulator playing Mariokart in VR




These games all have the full depth of a VR game. One of my favourite things in VR is to play old games that I played on a flat screen and put them in VR, Its a whole different experience to actually feel like you are there. Im very excited about this point, once the modding community fully kicks in and the ports start flowing ill be revisiting games I've loved and playing them in VR. I think theres some real BIG money to be made here for devs of old games.

Have you even tried VR once? Its obvious your knowledge is lacking here mate, I hope I have enlightened you.





What constitutes a big game to you? how about..

Borderlands VR
Skyrim VR
Wipeout Omega collection
Resident Evil 7
Dirt Rally


These are just some of the flat screen games ported to VR are these not big enough for you? You don't even realise that VR has its own exclusive heavy hitters.


For my parting gift I have a Comic that I feel is appropriate for this thread.

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Took a lifetime for it to finally look fun.
 
GermanZepp said:
So guys, what are the chances of a game like the new Cyberpunk to be playable in the PS5? I just heard some pretty good things about skyrim vr and I imagine myself getting in vr with a open world game like cyberpunk, and fuuuuff must be an incredible experience for shure. Maybe a vr gimped version? Can I forget about a ps5 vr version?
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PS5 would handle it with ease. If anything, a Cyberpunk 2078 (sequel) on PS5 would run with likely no downgrade on PS5+PSVR2, because Sony is clearly chasing after eye-tracked foveated rendering.
 
DarthBuzzer said:
PS5 would handle it with ease. If anything, a Cyberpunk 2078 (sequel) on PS5 would run with likely no downgrade on PS5+PSVR2, because Sony is clearly chasing after eye-tracked foveated rendering.
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I wouldn't say no downgrade at all, but very close if they really push the rendering tech, which would still be superior to playing it on a monitors/TVs.
 
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VR future is inevitable. Anytime there's progress in technology it's never achieved overnight. It constantly improves overtime. Right now we're only scratching the surface.
 
lukilladog said:
There has to be an explanation for that, right now there is only 1 viewer in twitch, and that would be me, it cannot be that popular :messenger_grinning_sweat:

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I like how you try and discredit by any mean necessary like PSVR and twitch are some match made in heaven. Who the heck sits around and watches VR gameplay anyway besides people who like to make themselves feel better about not owning VR? 2d videos like twitch is like 5% representative of what you actually see in the headset, or less.
 
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Romulus said:
I like how you try and discredit by any mean necessary like PSVR and twitch are some match made in heaven. Who the heck sits around and watches VR gameplay anyway besides people who like to make themselves feel better about not owning VR? 2d videos like twitch is like 5% representative of what you actually see in the headset, or less.
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Exactly, lukekillsdogs doesn't understand VR and because of that does not realise that VR looks like shit on a flat screen. You have to experience it in a headset to understand.
 
You must be blind not to see VR will take over one day - it is inevitable, and there is really no reason to question it.
 
VR will always be an enthusiast niche.

These enthusiasts aren't going to spend $700 on VR + PS4 when they can spend $900 on a VR + PC, with more games, more options (mods), and more fidelity.

Not to mention Sony censors all adult content on their store. If you seriously think VR has a future without adult content.. you're delusional.

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Uhh, what? Might I remind you which platform has the most sales? We might not know PC VR sales exactly, and maybe it suprasses console, but we only have one real console VR solution at the moment which includes the best selling high-end headset. Microsoft hasn't stepped in yet and Nintendo haven't gone proper.
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Xbox abandoned VR because it isn't profitable to add it to their console.

Labo VR is the furthest Nintendo will go with VR as they are just capitalizing on the PSVR fad. They're not going to pull a Vita like Sony as they are a very conservative company.
 
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Owari said:
VR will always be an enthusiast niche.

These enthusiasts aren't going to spend $700 on VR + PS4 when they can spend $900 on a VR + PC, with more games, more options (mods), and more fidelity.
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VR could well overtake flat screen gaming for graphical fidelity with Foveated rendering. Enthusiasts already spend that kind of money hence the term enthusiasts, also you do not need a powerhouse to play good VR games. The Oculus quest has just launched and all signs point to very strong sales and that is an all in one headset with a mobile processor and has mods.

But you would already know that being the educated person you are right?

Owari said:
Xbox abandoned VR because it isn't profitable to add it to their console.

Labo VR is the furthest Nintendo will go with VR as they are just capitalizing on the PSVR fad. They're not going to pull a Vita like Sony as they are a very conservative company.
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If Nintendo ever release a headset remember this comment and forever be ashamed, as for Xbox, Microsoft is putting a lot of research and development into AR, I wonder what E3 will bring.

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Not to mention Sony censors all adult content on their store. If you seriously think VR has a future without adult content.. you're delusional.
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The only people here who are delusional are the uneducated people shouting VR is dead or VR will always be niche. You are guessing with no experience or understanding of the VR market.
 
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gifgaf said:
VR could well overtake flat screen gaming for graphical fidelity with Foveated rendering. Enthusiasts already spend that kind of money hence the term enthusiasts, also you do not need a powerhouse to play good VR games. The Oculus quest has just launched and all signs point to very strong sales and that is an all in one headset with a mobile processor and has mods.
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If you've ever used a Valve Index or a Vive Pro with a 2080ti you'll realize that you absolutely need a powerhouse to play real VR games. The meager list of titles available on Quest is laughable and the tracking on that system is even worse than PSVR, a system with controllers from 2009 that have no dpad or analog stick. Meanwhile, Valve is releasing controllers that can track finger movements and HD vibrate patterns into your hands.

When Nintendo release a headset remember this comment and forever be ashamed, as for Xbox, Microsoft is putting a lot of research and development into AR.
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This hoax video actually brilliantly showcases why Nintendo will never do a VR headset: none of their games even work in VR. The one place that had Mario Kart VR shut down because no one gave a shit. By the way, I went there before it did, and yeah. It was terrible.
Oh yeah, and as far as Microsoft goes: AR has more of a mainstream future than VR. Look at Minecraft World and Pokemon GO, franchises like that will never be mass adopted with VR.

Full disclosure: this uneducated individual helped develop the first mods for Minecraft on Oculus Rift, was heavily involved with the development of many very popular VR games on PSVR and PC.

I get it, you bought a PSVR and are feverishly defending it. That's fine. You should have fun with it. But know that's not the future of console gaming.

PS: The idea that VR will overtake "flat" gaming is only something someone who just recently tried VR for the first time a month ago thinks. You'll get over that when you realize it'll always be a niche.
 
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gifgaf said:
The only people here who are delusional are the uneducated people shouting VR is dead or VR will always be niche. You are guessing with no experience or understanding of the VR market.
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VR without boobs. This is really what you think will succeed? I wonder if people like you thought the internet would be successful without boobs. 🤔
 
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Owari said:
Quest is laughable and the tracking on that system is even worse than PSVR, a system with controllers from 2009 that have no dpad or analog stick. Meanwhile, Valve is releasing controllers that can track finger movements and HD vibrate patterns into your hands.
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This comment alone is laughable shows me you are absolutely clueless and do not know what you are talking about.

Do you think Oculus would release a tracking system on thier premier headset the Oculus Rift S with worse tracking than the PSVR? no I don't think so, but yet the tracking is the same as the Oculus quest tracking even down to being able to swap the quest controllers with the Rift S controllers, they use the very same ones. Yes the tracking is not as good as putting up lighthouses or 3 Rift Sensors on your wall but thats not the point, Oculus is simplifying VR and giving people who do not want to install tracking lighthouses or Rift sensors on the wall a very good VR experience, it is still a massive improvement over the PSVR.

Owari said:
Full disclosure: this uneducated individual helped develop the first mods for Minecraft on Oculus Rift, was heavily involved with the development of many very popular VR games on PSVR and PC.
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Full discosure, you do not know what the tracking system on the Oculus Quest is like. (Hint, its fantastic for an all in one headset and makes the PSVR tracking look very old and decrepit)
 
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gifgaf said:
This comment alone is laughable shows me you are absolutely clueless and do not know what you are talking about.

Do you think Oculus would release a tracking system on thier premier headset the Oculus Rift S with worse tracking than the PSVR? no I don't think so, but yet he tracking is the same as the Oculus quest tracking even down t being able to swap the quest controllers with the Rift S controllers, they use the very same ones. Yes the tracking is not as good as putting up lighthouses or 3 Rift Sensors on your wall but thats not the point, Oculus is simplifying VR and giving people who do not want to install tracking lighthouses or Rift sensors on the wall a very good VR experience, it is still a massive improvement over the PSVR.



Full discosure, you do not know what the tracking system on the Oculus Quest is like. (Hint, its fantastic for an all in one headset and makes the PSVR tracking look very old and decrepit)
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To be fair, I'm sure the Quest does have better tracking than PSVR, but I don't believe a mobile processor will ever do real VR. The complete lack of popular titles besides beat saber on quest kind of solidifies that theory.

I love VR. I have an Index + Knux preordered. I maintain a intense PC to run the latest and greatest. I buy new VR games every month. I believe we will see growth with VR soon.. on PC. (half-life)
 
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Owari said:
To be fair, I'm sure the Quest does have better tracking than PSVR, but I don't believe a mobile processor will ever do real VR. The complete lack of popular titles besides beat saber on quest kind of solidifies that theory.
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Honestly, it does. You do not need a powerhouse for VR, do you ignore handheld gaming because it does not look as good as the top of the line PC? The Oculus quest is selling very well and I for one have spent more time on the Quest recently than my other headsets just because its so easy to pick up and play wherever I want.

[Opinion]I think Oculus will put more backing towards the mobile VR market than is PC market just because I believe the player retention will be higher and from what I am seeing around VR circles the Quest is outselling Rift by a margin.[/Opinion]

[Edit] actually thats a lie, the PSVR has some real banging games atm, Blood and Truth also Trover saves the world have my attention right at this moment but that actually also backs up my claim that you do not need a powerful PC for VR. But I do agree with you that the quest needs games badly, I hope they will come.
 
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Owari said:
I get it, you bought a PSVR and are feverishly defending it. That's fine. You should have fun with it. But know that's not the future of console gaming.

PS: The idea that VR will overtake "flat" gaming is only something someone who just recently tried VR for the first time a month ago thinks. You'll get over that when you realize it'll always be a niche.
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Nobody here who is advocating VR has said VR will overtake flat screen gaming, stop making up bullshit. I for one have been into VR since the launch of the Vive, before that even I was very interested and kept in the loop.

Right now I have a Vive, Original Rift, PSVR, Oculus Rift S and an Oculus Quest. I think I have been into VR longer than a month.


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I would also put forward the point that the games make the VR experience not the horsepower.

PSVR has the better games right now imo, that ain't no top of the line PC. I know that I spend more time in PSVR than my PC headsets because of the great games it has and recently the Oculus quest has taken a lot of my time due to just how simple it is to pick up and play without putting my PC on or being tethered to my PC or console. I have said this before but you cannot underestimate the pull of a playing games on a sofa can be and being able to just put the Quest on anywhere I want including the sofa or my bed or be energetic and play outside in my garden or at a friends house without lugging a full pc or a all teh crap that comes with a tethered headset and play VR games is a game changer imo.

I haven't played in my garden just a fyi, but I've seen so many posts on reddit with pictures of people playing in a garden or in a field that it I can see untethered makes a big difference.
 
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Breakfast at Noon said:
How's this dog shit thread not been closed?
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Oh no, please don't close it, I'm having too much fun shitting over the VR naysayers.

Seriously though, I think there is a lot of great information about VR for people who are curious throughout this thread. Some people are really trying to educate with the pros and cons of VR at this point in its life and I think that it has some worth for that alone, plus its a fun read.

What I find fun is that this thread arrived at one of VR's strongest times. Oculus Quest the first all in one headset with 6DoF, Valve index and the Index controllers tracking individual fingers, Samsung saying they are going all in with VR and making headsets not to mention the great games PSVR has and Sony saying its backwards compatible with the PS5 and it looks like a PSVR 2 is coming also. Things have never been better for VR and that's all anyone in this thread who knows about VR has said.
 
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Owari said:
If you've ever used a Valve Index or a Vive Pro with a 2080ti you'll realize that you absolutely need a powerhouse to play real VR games.
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This shows shows me that you are definitely an
Owari said:
uneducated individual
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Owari said:
Full disclosure: this uneducated individual helped develop the first mods for Minecraft on Oculus Rift, was heavily involved with the development of many very popular VR games on PSVR and PC.
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Interested in showing me your contribution I am genuinely interested because you obviously do not know much about VR or you wouldn't spout so much crap like

Owari said:
If you've ever used a Valve Index or a Vive Pro with a 2080ti you'll realize that you absolutely need a powerhouse to play real VR games
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You know that PSVR is the leader with VR headsets sold atm right? over 4 Million headsets sold reported in march and Oculus Quest is growing very fast, the Quest has been out for just under 2 weeks and the Subreddit for the Oculus quest is already at 17k members, an all in one android device that is no PC powerhouse.

Owari said:
This hoax video actually brilliantly showcases why Nintendo will never do a VR headset: none of their games even work in VR. The one place that had Mario Kart VR shut down because no one gave a shit. By the way, I went there before it did, and yeah. It was terrible.
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Just to show you how uninformed you really are, here are some videos showcasing people playing older games to play in VR thanks to actual modders not pretend ones.
Mario Kart



Luigi's Mansion



Twilight Princess
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Here is Quake just released for the Oculus Quest.

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Here we have a native Oculus Quest game.

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So again this comment..

Owari said:
If you've ever used a Valve Index or a Vive Pro with a 2080ti you'll realize that you absolutely need a powerhouse to play real VR games.
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is complete rubbish. It's like saying consoles including PS4, Xbox, Switch or handhelds like 3DS or Switch.... again and any PC below minimum specs is worthless because nobody will play with specs less than top of the line.
 
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wow, judging if VR is failure by the number of viewers on Twitch. LOL. Do these guys even know that you CANT appreciate VR on a flat screen? What's the point of watching videos lacking any of what makes VR so compelling, which is the 360 degree view and the aural sound?
 
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Owari said:
VR will always be an enthusiast niche.

These enthusiasts aren't going to spend $700 on VR + PS4 when they can spend $900 on a VR + PC, with more games, more options (mods), and more fidelity.

Not to mention Sony censors all adult content on their store. If you seriously think VR has a future without adult content.. you're delusional.


Xbox abandoned VR because it isn't profitable to add it to their console.

Labo VR is the furthest Nintendo will go with VR as they are just capitalizing on the PSVR fad. They're not going to pull a Vita like Sony as they are a very conservative company.
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The Quest is available for $400 and that includes the full buy-in cost. Imagine paying $400 for a VR headset in 5 or 10 years. At that point you might as well be ripping the manufacturers off, because the value will be enormous. As VR tech progresses, the value proposition gets significantly better because VR is a simulation medium, meaning you can simulate and replace physical goods/materials and save a truck load of money. Why spend all that money on a 4K TV or home theater system, or 7.1 surround sound speakers, or a ping pong table, when VR can replicate all of that given the right specs/improvements.

This is why VR has every change of breaking out of a niche market. Because the value provided is so high and the uses enabled by the device are so diverse. Consoles will likely become peripherals for VR/AR headsets once we reach somewhere around the PS6 Pro stage, if consoles still survive. What that means is that VR becomes a superset of console gaming, not a side thing.

Xbox hasn't abandoned VR as much as put it on hold. It will be there on their next console shortly into the generation, no doubt.

Owari said:
This hoax video actually brilliantly showcases why Nintendo will never do a VR headset: none of their games even work in VR. The one place that had Mario Kart VR shut down because no one gave a shit. By the way, I went there before it did, and yeah. It was terrible.
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Most of Nintendo's IPs are a perfect fit for VR. That's definitive fact, as we've had examples of similar games that have already proved they work well. And no, Mario Kart VR Arcade is still running and a lot of people enjoy it.

Owari said:
Full disclosure: this uneducated individual helped develop the first mods for Minecraft on Oculus Rift, was heavily involved with the development of many very popular VR games on PSVR and PC.
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Who gives a crap? Listing development experience means next to nothing if you haven't got a clue what you're doing from a design perspective.

I've met a bunch of VR developers who can't even tell me anything remotely correct about VR or game design in VR. A developer can be as useless as a pedestrian on the street. Until you've shown knowledge, you might as well not bother listing this as an accolade.

Perhaps you're a pretty great developer on the technical side, but you're garbage at game design. No game designer worth their salt would think Nintendo's IPs are a bad fit for VR. That immediately invalidates you as someone with any real design knowledge.
 
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I'm having a lot of fun with my quest. My kid and her friends think it is the coolest thing ever and are always begging me to play it. Too bad it's just a fad.
 
Since I enjoy to perpetuate this fad, fair notice that UBI store is having their E3 sales which includes VR titles.
Up to 70% off, add on a UBI club discount (trade in your useless ubi coins for another 20% off)
picked up Star Trek bridge Crew
 
Angry_Megalodon said:
wow, judging if VR is failure by the number of viewers on Twitch. LOL. Do these guys even know that you CANT appreciate VR on a flat screen? What's the point of watching videos lacking any of what makes VR so compelling, which is the 360 degree view and the aural sound?
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Isn´t beat saber the most popular VR game in the world?, a rock could deduce that from twitch numbers alone, so yeah twitch is usually a fairly good indicative of game´s performance in general. And I´m sure you VR guys all have watched videos to check VR games and will continue to do so, so you can see there is a point in watching vr streams.

Ps.- Now that somebody has mentioned Star Trek bridge, how is the multiplayer doing nowadays?, from twitch alone I would say it took a serious hit :messenger_grimmacing_
 
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lukilladog said:
Isn´t beat saber the most popular VR game in the world?, a rock could deduce that from twitch numbers alone, so yeah twitch is usually a fairly good indicative of game´s performance in general. And I´m sure you VR guys all have watched videos to check VR games and will continue to do so, so you can see there is a point in watching vr streams.

Ps.- Now that somebody has mentioned Star Trek bridge, how is the multiplayer doing nowadays?, from twitch alone I would say it took a serious hit :messenger_grimmacing_
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Just stop trolling. You know VR isn't wide spread, no one here has said its supper popular. It's early days. You can grab as many straws as you like but it won't make your points anymore valid.
 
lukilladog said:
Isn´t beat saber the most popular VR game in the world?, a rock could deduce that from twitch numbers alone, so yeah twitch is usually a fairly good indicative of game´s performance in general. And I´m sure you VR guys all have watched videos to check VR games and will continue to do so, so you can see there is a point in watching vr streams.

Ps.- Now that somebody has mentioned Star Trek bridge, how is the multiplayer doing nowadays?, from twitch alone I would say it took a serious hit :messenger_grimmacing_
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Supposedly Beat Saber has raked in over 2 billion views. And Twitch is a tiny part of that, so Twitch is hardly a measure of success.



Also I highly recommend people to listen to the VoicesOfVR podcast if you want to delve deep into the many aspects of VR/AR.
 
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