IISANDERII
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It'd be just like playing Simcity on Earth.
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Wanted: People willing to die on Mars
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BannedEpisode
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I'm going to sign up and stage a coup after I get access to the lifesupport.
I will be the first Emperor God King of Mars. Good luck stopping me Earth.
I will be the first Emperor God King of Mars. Good luck stopping me Earth.
I don't know who you're quoting with that sarcastic quote of yours but--
There would never be anything like this before in human history. This is not like being a pioneer and fucking prancing through some woods. Shit, it's not even like exploring the ocean depths. This is going on a rocket and removing yourself from every single creature comfort on the planet and then doing so with the full knowledge that you're fucked from the start, you can never return.
You're also probably looking at this from the perspective of the start. Every item added to the storage on the ship costs more money for the project. You may think adding an array of HDDs that can last these people for their entire lives (and forget about having kids) might be easy, but the price of putting it on the ship is in the millions. And then, you'd have to hope these equipments stayed working well in your limited little living pod for your entire life, because you'd have no parts to replace anything. You'd have to hope these items stayed functionally sound for 40 years of someone's life at least and that's just hoping the pod stayed structurally sound. Wasting energy to charge e-readers? Hell, I'll even give that to you... not like the e-reader will be working by the end of the first few years
You're way too optimistic for what this is going to achieve. The costs of even shuttling 8 people across this distance would be astronomical, let alone the supplies each would individually require (and all the food, water, etc that would be needed just for the trip to Mars by itself, which would take a considerable amount of time by itself, and then to start some semblance of a spartan existence on the planet)
You're not talking about a sustainable trip here. We're talking about sending people to die. These people are not going to have large enough groups or large enough supplies to build a meaningful sustainable living environment when they get stranded, this is not that type of trip clearly.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Give the people air!
Fantastic.
Nah, it is not impossible, we just lack the technology for it. We just need to learn to create and maintain wormholes. Might not happen in 10 years, but I would not rule it out
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Also Amir0x, you are SO, SO sour of this idea. I am pretty sure that there are plenty of people that are absolutely fascinated by this idea, however introvert a personality needs to be to be entertaining this.
The mere fact that this would not be like any other pioneer is going to attract a lot of minds. Put several of those minds together, organize at least a yearly supply drop so they can keep up with technological advancements, and I would not worry about this, because it would be an amazing experience for those that feel like doing it.
Send to die because they don't bring them back, not just send there and left to rot and die after a few weeks. And no matter what it's going to cost an astronomical amount. They don't train you for 8 years to then go "well bye" and that's it. You have to go there and actually set up a base, do some things for years and years. You won't get all the creature comforts but they definitely would be consulting psychologists on how to keep them sane.
endresults
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Nah, it is not impossible, we just lack the technology for it. We just need to learn to create and maintain wormholes. Might not happen in 10 years, but I would not rule it out
Of course it is. Star Trek: The Next Generation had FTL communications in the form of subspace and that was way back in 1987.
You Are Viewtiful
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Would video games still be region locked?
FloppyDelux
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SYFY*
Why are you assuming that these people cannot be sent regular supply drops?
I'm not saying it won't attract people. I'm not saying someone, if they're so inclined, shouldn't do it.
I'm just saying I wouldn't do it, because it's a bad idea. It wouldn't be worth what a person would have to give up.
People are acting like a drop to mars is as simple as a drop to Wal-Mart or something. The costs are so ridiculously high that they have to measure everything they take as the absolutely maximum necessity. If they could save room by not having an e-reader and instead including something they actually need to stay alive, believe me they will (and almost certainly those considerations will dominate the conversation).
These people will not be going on a pleasure cruise and I rather doubt their entertainment will take a dominating concern versus what else has to be done just so that they could stay alive at all.
One astronomical amount is not the same as another; all companies, governments, etc have some budget and they can't very well go over it without continuing funding from one place or another. Mars One as an entity doesn't even have the type of liquidity where I would trust they could consistently follow up with supply drops, let alone have funding for the type of things you clearly seem to believe they'll be including on this ship.
I'm sure they'll set up a Pod base of some sort, but it'll be of an extremely small size by any standard. Find a way to keep a sustainable living environment for water and food. The amount of considerations that just doing that alone would require would probably axe much of the extras, no matter what the psychologists said was good.
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Because I don't think Mars One is the type of company that can afford regular 5 billion dollar supply drops.
Pinko Marx
Banned
Sorry bro
Would I go? No. No I would not.
The people on that planet would be some of the most profoundly lonely individuals ever to be alive, and on top of that entertainment of ALL forms would be just maddeningly limited. No videogames, no tv, no internet... shit, you couldn't even go native and start hunting shit because all life on the planet no longer exists (if it existed at all). I guess you could have sex with the one or two other people who went with you, but I'm sure that'd get old within a few years since that would be literally the only thing there to entertain except maybe cards or makeshift checkers. It would be worse than prison because you have to figure that you literally could not even exist outside of the pod you came on without an extremely restrictive suit. It's not like they're going to send over the supplies for you to build a domed city. And the food would be even worse than prison food, given what you'd be forced to work with, and you couldn't even socialize on that level. Because once the small group that came with you goes insane, you'll likely be trying to survive and not go insane yourself. You'd have no library books to read as in prison, and paper would be so scarce as to be like Gold... no way you'd write your manuscripts (which nobody would ever read) or draw pictures (as that would be a waste of precious resources).
It would be the type of existence most people would kill themselves over within a year or two.
Why couldn't you have books? There are e-books afterall. And couldn't people bring solar powered batteries and whatnot with them to charge their electronics? The ship you came in on could probably have some technology to communicate with a base of operations back home.
Okay, I understand what you are getting at, but I think that if you are planning a trip around a person (as a "tool" for maintaining whatever is about to be set up on Mars), then making sure that the people DO NOT go insane is pretty much a cost that needs to be included otherwise it is just a ticking time bomb.
If X amount of money is a trip that MIGHT make some people on the tour go crazy and sabotage the long-term plans of the settlement, then obviously either the whole plan will be cancelled OR they will make sure that there are forms of entertainment down there, even if it bumps up X to X*1,2 . I would think it would be chess, go, some cards, LOTS of digital content and bam. It makes no sense to try and save money on something that is crucial in your plan*
*It never stopped us from doing so, but still.. (like the way humanity treats Earth and its OTHER habitats or each other..)
Lovely Salsa
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What will the gravity be like over there? I don't want to be flying all over the place
SpectreFire
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Any one way trip to Mars can only go horribly. No one on this planet is conditioned to go through the thought process of literally leaving everything you've ever known, to go a place where the odds of you dying an cold dark and insignificant death will be astronomically high.
It'll be a week, tops, because the people on that ship all go crazy when they realize what they're actually decided to do.
It'll be a week, tops, because the people on that ship all go crazy when they realize what they're actually decided to do.
Neuromancer
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Fuck yes.
If I could convince my wife to go with me.
If I could convince my wife to go with me.
So you assume they have the money and resources to send a team of people to Mars with a lifetime supply of food and water, but you think it's beyond their capability to regularly send them supplies?
The whole project has to revolve around supply drops, because you can't get everything you need in one trip.
I don't assume that either. I assume they may - MAY - have the capability and liquidity to send this team to the planet with at best a year or two worth of food supplies, on top of whatever they would require to start a garden of some type.
You're talking about an enterprise which, for the most part, would yield no real profit to Mars One for decades to come at best. They would have to find a way to agonizingly come up with the funds each and every time they want to send anything to this group... and that's only considering if they get lucky. Launch window times for Mars is short if they want to get to the planet in a reasonable time, and then they have to hope there is no disaster on the trip that would render the supplies worthless. And then it'd be at least another year before anything could arrive.
I mean if the world's countries get together and help out this enterprise I'd maybe consider it SLIGHTLY less of a stupid idea, but to hold up this weight for a group of travelers to Mars... it's too risky. We're talking about the world's most lonely existence for sure
Buddha Beam
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If my family and pets all died and it was just me left, yeah. What would I care at that point? Otherwise no.
Thankfully, my family and pets are all still alive and well *knocks on wood*
Thankfully, my family and pets are all still alive and well *knocks on wood*
SniperHunter
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They should send prisoners serving life terms to Mars and other non explored planets. They can train in jail, "convict conditioning" for six years and die in space. Win win situation IMO.
Messypandas
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So Mars would become a bit like Australia?
SniperHunter
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holy shit lol!
Messypandas
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Pioneers of human exploration and evolution? The only arguments I see to the contrary are people bemoaning missing out on the earthly, material crap. I could very well see couples wanting to do this.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
I'd go if they would take me.
umop_3pisdn
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But they wouldn't have any Chew-Z.
Messofanego
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Nobody is allowed to use this pic anymore because now you at least kind of have the illusion of choice of leaving.
Anyone who posts this now will be selected for a random lottery by the government like Battle Royale and sent to Mars with no hope of return.
velociraptor
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I think the novelty will quickly wear off after a few hours.
However, if I was of 'old age', then it's something I may consider.
However, if I was of 'old age', then it's something I may consider.
I'm sure there are a bunch of psychologists specializing in keeping a person completely sane under the conditions that said person will be living in a gray bubble, without being able to go outside without specialized gear, without being able to see any form of life outside of the 6 or so people that will be also living in said gray bubble, on another planet for possibly the rest of their natural lives.
This is not a multi-month space voyage, we are talking about an endeavor that will most likely get someone isolated from Earth for multiple decades, assuming everything goes absolutely correct and perfect.
And this isn't even getting into other concerns, like "okay, what if this private enterprise ends up folding part of the way through? Who gets to foot the bill to keep this project going?"
I give it 10 years before all that crap gets shipped to Mars.
And like someone said a few posts up, it would get old fast.
Imagine this is how life was formed on earth, kinda like Prometheus except it was all just a suicide mission and life was created by accident.
The corpses would create bacteria of some kind and millions of years later after earth is dead life begins on mars. All cos some loony social rejects went on a one way mission to check out some rocks.
The corpses would create bacteria of some kind and millions of years later after earth is dead life begins on mars. All cos some loony social rejects went on a one way mission to check out some rocks.
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