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Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War III |OT| This one really is Warcraft 4
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Evolution of Metal
Member
It had the budget. CoH2 expansions aside, Relic has spent 5 years with the team of 100+ employees prototyping two Warhammer games which got fused together into DoW3.
coh2 couldn't even justify being sold as a $60 title in today's market despite being obviously more expensive to produce than dow3
There's plenty of options to toggle and a mac and Linux version will come out soon.
This is exactly what I meant by saying "RTS games are dead". This game has three completely different races with unique mechanics and very nice balance. And it doesn't even copy any existing RTS games directly, but innovates on many areas. Developing a game like this costs A TON. It's definitely a AAA-game.
But these are things that aren't valued anymore as much as they used to be.
But I agree with you guys in that Relic should listen to the fans and bring some co-op content to the game if so many people want it. But none of that matters too much since the sales are zero atm.
RenegadeXV8
Banned
It doesn't make sense they didn't prioritize a co-op Last Stand mode. The framework is already there (Elite units with distinct abilities, Doctrines could be used instead of Wargear) and it was a huge hit in DoW2.
I really feel like Relic should have delayed this game to at least July, but I'm guessing Sega wouldn't allow that.
I really feel like Relic should have delayed this game to at least July, but I'm guessing Sega wouldn't allow that.
Seriously still flabbergasted last stand was not in, the mode was so damn popular they sold it separate from the base game for 10 dollars. It was my most played mode in retribution.
Aangster
Member
At this stage, Relic needs to communicate its post-launch intentions. Despite a stronger launch, the userbase decline is looking shambolic as CoH 2 numbers rise thanks to the recent sale. Regardless of whether it released unbaked or not, how about a damn roadmap?
Relic's produced another sequel with new design directions, I can respect that and honestly don't mind the changes to fundamental gameplay mechanics. However, what baffles me is the lack of content to justify the new systems. There's not enough maps, not enough different modes, and not enough races/units. Even with friends, the value proposition of buying DoW III is hardly there.
Something else I want to voice: the campaign being awful on all counts. How the fuck was this made? Somehow Relic's managed to produce something worse than vanilla CoH 2's singleplayer narrative. It's not going to please past players who've fought through the Aurelian Crusades of DoW 2 (+ expansions) and its completely bland to newcomers, especially those coming from StarCraft. There's banal mission types and terrible gameplay pacing. Macha fanservice and Ork humour aren't enough to save the horrid writing, uninspiring dialogue, and lack of world-building. DoW III's a Warhammer 40k title that does little to craft the atmosphere of a 40k world. Everything is basically pushed aside to promote elite units and the multiplayer experience, it's pathetic.
This honestly leaves another question, why should we give a fuck about spending more on upcoming (expansion?) content involving
and other new races?
Relic's produced another sequel with new design directions, I can respect that and honestly don't mind the changes to fundamental gameplay mechanics. However, what baffles me is the lack of content to justify the new systems. There's not enough maps, not enough different modes, and not enough races/units. Even with friends, the value proposition of buying DoW III is hardly there.
Something else I want to voice: the campaign being awful on all counts. How the fuck was this made? Somehow Relic's managed to produce something worse than vanilla CoH 2's singleplayer narrative. It's not going to please past players who've fought through the Aurelian Crusades of DoW 2 (+ expansions) and its completely bland to newcomers, especially those coming from StarCraft. There's banal mission types and terrible gameplay pacing. Macha fanservice and Ork humour aren't enough to save the horrid writing, uninspiring dialogue, and lack of world-building. DoW III's a Warhammer 40k title that does little to craft the atmosphere of a 40k world. Everything is basically pushed aside to promote elite units and the multiplayer experience, it's pathetic.
This honestly leaves another question, why should we give a fuck about spending more on upcoming (expansion?) content involving
Necrons
They banked on the multiplayer 100% and failed apparently. I'm sad and bitter, since this is the best RTS available atm for me and to see all that work go to waste when nobody plays it breaks my heart.
Fuck.
Vincent Alexander
Member
Agreed. I absolutely love the multiplayer....but I can hardly find games. Anyone here wants to team up and do any 2v2, send me a random invite on steam. VincentAlexander. I'll gladly play some rounds here and there.
I have a friend that I do games against the cpu if you want to join us, we haven't done player matches yet. Steam name is grendelrt as well.
Stevey
Member
"But
were humans who have the internet. We know there are lots of you who dont feel the same way. That matters. We make these games for you, and we need you in order to keep making games. So, lets talk about where we go from here."
Maybe the realist shit I've heard a developer say.
Maybe the realist shit I've heard a developer say.
I've just gotten into playing Starcraft 2 Co-Op Missions which have been alot of fun. Stuff like that would be great to have in DoWIII. I like playing against others but its nice to have the option to work with a friend on defeating a mission together.
Or better yet, gimme Last Stand. Either or, diversity is good and this patch might be fun.
Or better yet, gimme Last Stand. Either or, diversity is good and this patch might be fun.
It's a nice statement but I think they're going to have to do something extreme to bring people back in numbers. Make the game free (or like sub $15), add maps, add annihilation (check) and last stand, add basic options (keybinds).
I like the game so I hope they keep communicating like this.
I like the game so I hope they keep communicating like this.
Pilgrimzero
Member
I just want a Space Marine sequel
The Hamburglar
Banned
Is it dead yet?
Well corpse was just cracked. Let's see if the playerbase trends upward.
Long time DOW fan here. I was initially very excited for DOW3 and was looking forward to a further iteration on the DOW formula.
Impressions and reviews came out on release and didn't spell a great picture for SP, which is where I have fun. The complaints I read about were a boring campaign with little variety? So I didn't buy it. I wanted to, a lot.
It looks like they're looking to massage MP to bring in more fans, which is great, I really want Relic to do well.
That post shown above shows they're open to change but I doubt that refers to the campaign. No money there? That drop pod has landed? In any case I'll keep watching for any changes in the SP.
Well, in case any Relicans are reading, keep fighting the good fight and I hope for many more years of DOW/COH/whatever.
For the Emperor indeed.
Impressions and reviews came out on release and didn't spell a great picture for SP, which is where I have fun. The complaints I read about were a boring campaign with little variety? So I didn't buy it. I wanted to, a lot.
It looks like they're looking to massage MP to bring in more fans, which is great, I really want Relic to do well.
That post shown above shows they're open to change but I doubt that refers to the campaign. No money there? That drop pod has landed? In any case I'll keep watching for any changes in the SP.
Well, in case any Relicans are reading, keep fighting the good fight and I hope for many more years of DOW/COH/whatever.
For the Emperor indeed.
You and me both.
Melhisedek
Member
Guys, of I enjoy SP only do I play DoW 2 + expansions or this one? (Already have DoW 2)
Not really interested in multi
Not really interested in multi
DOW2 + Expansions.
Do you want to build your own armies or control a small elite unit? DOW3 if you want armies, DOW2 if you want small numbers of elites.
Also if you want to collect loot and build each individual hero unit you have uniquely to your game style.
DoWII is still the GOAT for me. Even the multiplayer, which I didn't play much, I do enjoy more then the current DoWIII MP. Still Last Stand is the best of the best out of DoWII.
Melhisedek
Member
Thanks a lot guys, I saw in the title Warcraft 4 and wondered if this is the one (love W3) thats why I asked.
What is this Last Stand? I only have Retribution and Chaos Rising expansions. In what order should I play them?
Vincent Alexander
Member
My friend and I were playing tonight and decided they really need to make a mode where you can just control your elites and the bases spawn hordes of regular units for you to chew through, as that is what it feels like to us as terrible players anyway.
I loved DoW2's multiplayer, wtf happened?
I loved DoW2's multiplayer, wtf happened?
That's basically the last stand mode from dow2. You pick an elite and fend off 20 waves of enemies with up 3 other people. Favorite mode for me, hope we still get it :/
I meant more of a specific MOBA mode with elites, but I did play a ton of last stand in dow2
Dictator93
Member
I am still kind of in shock tha ti have not bought this game. I bought all dawn of war games day and date on PC (and even beforehand with the original for the beta purposes).
Reading all the veteran player and GAF impressions has heavily pushed me away from buying it, so thanks for that GAF. I hope that they can salvage the gameplay and make it much more tactical and fluff accurate in expansions and patches.
Reading all the veteran player and GAF impressions has heavily pushed me away from buying it, so thanks for that GAF. I hope that they can salvage the gameplay and make it much more tactical and fluff accurate in expansions and patches.
Vincent Alexander
Member
I've been having loads of fun playing the multiplayer with my friend, just doing skirmishes against AI. As well, I'm on my second play through of the campaign, this time on hard difficulty. If you can find it for 20-25, I would recommend it. Much higher though...meh. Might want to hold off.
I am genuinely mystified by this impression. I actually think DoW III's campaign is one of the better ones in the series - certainly better than the campaigns of DoW I and Winter Assault, at the very least. It doesn't have the war game feel of Dark Crusade or Soulstorm, nor the intimacy or the addicting loot grind of DoW II & Chaos Rising, but they did a good job at selling the atmosphere of a universe constantly at war, gave us some fun characters to follow, and gave us some very challenging scenarios to overcome (the one Space Marine mission where you have to complete it purely with reinforcements you find in particular was quite difficult to get through on hard). Granted, far more Space Marines died in battle than would ever be justifiable in lore, but the sheer scale of the destruction also makes me very curious how they can possibly follow up on this.
But eh, I'm clearly in the minority on this one. Just one of those things, I guess.
Same. But fuck hearing the campaign is bad I might not jump in (yet). :-(
I think the reasons you listed for liking it are it's strong points. I was personally disappointed that the campaign jumped between the three factions, never really let you freely build on your own, and really forced you to focus on the specific objectives like "jump to this platform using X skill ... now jump to this platform using X skill." These mad it feel like it was on rails. I think most people were looking for either 3 distinct campaigns with their own stories, or something more like Soulstorm / Dark Crusade (this is what I wanted).
I also felt that at certain points in every stage things turned into a mosh pit and kind of broke down. I'd feel like I was in control and organized in the beginning, but by the end of the map I'd feel like I was just mass producing whatever was available to build and sending it to it's death in a slow game of attrition - this might have been me not getting the hang of the game, though.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
I'm having a blast with this online, after the latest patch the races are fairly balanced. Game is super smooth, graphics and animation is top notch, even the music is good. Also, in Europe you can get games pretty quickly. The talk of dead servers is not the case where I'm sitting.
Unfortunately the game has attracted legions of trolls/haters (dunno if these are childish W40K fans or DoW1 diehards) on the Steam forums but hopefully the Necron's DLC/expansion washes away this OTT negativity.
Unfortunately the game has attracted legions of trolls/haters (dunno if these are childish W40K fans or DoW1 diehards) on the Steam forums but hopefully the Necron's DLC/expansion washes away this OTT negativity.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
I don't understand this belief that's spreading. Far less commercially successful RTS's have received expansions and all this talk of Relic releasing devs is overblown as this is the usual cycle for developers after a title has shipped.
New patch today:
Should have been this way from the beginning and does nothing to salvage the POS campaign.
Yep. Forcing you to grind to access MP content is literally one of the worst things a developer can do. They should've dropped Skulls a long time ago.
Bolivar687
Banned
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-sOv-4KeWLs
Pretty significant update out today, and the game's 50% off and free for the weekend. Three new maps (one for each player count), three new Elites (one for each faction), and a bunch of new skins. Most importantly, health for the infantry units has been boosted by 30% to make the them a bit more durable, so games aren't over within the first few minutes because of aggressive early-game Elite play.
I've always felt DoW3 is classic RTS Micro & Macro at its finest and player counts are already way up so now's a great time to check it out if you haven't yet or to jump back in.
Pretty significant update out today, and the game's 50% off and free for the weekend. Three new maps (one for each player count), three new Elites (one for each faction), and a bunch of new skins. Most importantly, health for the infantry units has been boosted by 30% to make the them a bit more durable, so games aren't over within the first few minutes because of aggressive early-game Elite play.
I've always felt DoW3 is classic RTS Micro & Macro at its finest and player counts are already way up so now's a great time to check it out if you haven't yet or to jump back in.