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Warhammer 40K Dawn of War 2 multiplayer beta
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fatigues_gasolini
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TheExodu5 said:
All the DoW expansions are stand alone. You only need all of them to play with the races in online multiplayer.
Tokubetsu
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Just played a game. Tyranids are versatile as hell, especially their warriors. I was having a rough time at the start of the match but as soon as i got some dreadnoughts, levelled up my hero and had some plasma guns, shit started going well. DN's with that heavy machine gun upgrade surpress the shit out of everything :lol. That's another thing I'm finding, that SURPRESSION is a lot more important here than it was in CoH, mainly because there's a lot of melee/close range going on. If you can break the enemy down, you've got it.
fatigues_gasolini
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Jesus Christ, every game is lagging because peoples settings are too high.
Teknopathetic
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The game definitely makes it very clear from the second you play it that it's very much NOT Company of Heroes 40k. What little basebuilding mechanics that were in COH are pretty much entirely removed. All unit upgrades, etc. are done on the units and not at your warp gate. This is not a bad thing (I think). Relic seems to want to make DOW2 even *more* micro-heavy than COH was. In order to facilitate this, they streamlined/removed macromanagement stuff like choosing/upgrading your doctrine, the aforementioned basebuilding and unit upgrades. Couple that with all units having more special abilities on average than COH and it really feels completely new (and they are really quite integral to your success).
One thing I will say I don't like is that the game's sorta too pretty for its own good. That is to say there's a bit too much stuff going on that keeping a handle on things is a bit tough. I'm guessing I need to become more accustomed to utilizing the sidebar to keep track of units.
And as an aside, they cut out the whole "shifting front" supply line resource thing. Now you simply either control a point and get resources or you don't.
One thing I will say I don't like is that the game's sorta too pretty for its own good. That is to say there's a bit too much stuff going on that keeping a handle on things is a bit tough. I'm guessing I need to become more accustomed to utilizing the sidebar to keep track of units.
And as an aside, they cut out the whole "shifting front" supply line resource thing. Now you simply either control a point and get resources or you don't.
MedievalManIII
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I have some serious issues with the presentation. Everything's small and glowy, and the health bars on the banners are basically unreadable, making it difficult to discern the status of units or the composition of mixed forces without clicking through them one at a time.
Retreating is slow and unit costs are very high. Seems to lead to less CoH-style back and forth battling where comebacks are possible and more single deciding moments where you win or lose your whole match's investment in resources in one fight.
Connecting territory concept is gone again, so battle lines aren't really ever established, to the detriment of the flow of matches. A whole lot of tedious capturefests seem to happen where while you have your main forces fight, your guys keep going around retaking the vacant points captured from you while the enemy does the same.
The maps themselves don't seem to offer much in tactical depth compared to CoH; this is more of a mild upgrade of DoW1's setup. Soft cover vs heavy cover seems to be a random determination by the devs; I couldn't find heavy cover intuitively, I had to instead move the cursor around until I saw green dots. Buildings are sparse and barely relevant.
Tons of clicky ability micro.
I've played lots of War 40k tabletop (and of course DoW1), so I dig the universe and the flavor, sure, but I'm definitely not sold on this game yet. 1v1s, where the presentation problems are still manageable, are kinda fun, but the 3v3s are a mess. It actually feels like they didn't use anything they learned from CoH here, which is pretty disappointing.
Retreating is slow and unit costs are very high. Seems to lead to less CoH-style back and forth battling where comebacks are possible and more single deciding moments where you win or lose your whole match's investment in resources in one fight.
Connecting territory concept is gone again, so battle lines aren't really ever established, to the detriment of the flow of matches. A whole lot of tedious capturefests seem to happen where while you have your main forces fight, your guys keep going around retaking the vacant points captured from you while the enemy does the same.
The maps themselves don't seem to offer much in tactical depth compared to CoH; this is more of a mild upgrade of DoW1's setup. Soft cover vs heavy cover seems to be a random determination by the devs; I couldn't find heavy cover intuitively, I had to instead move the cursor around until I saw green dots. Buildings are sparse and barely relevant.
Tons of clicky ability micro.
I've played lots of War 40k tabletop (and of course DoW1), so I dig the universe and the flavor, sure, but I'm definitely not sold on this game yet. 1v1s, where the presentation problems are still manageable, are kinda fun, but the 3v3s are a mess. It actually feels like they didn't use anything they learned from CoH here, which is pretty disappointing.
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, hope it at least runs decent om my 8600GTM equipped laptop.I've never played Dawn of War 1 so perhaps I'm missing something...
But as a moderate Company of Heroes player I find myself frustrated with being unable to defend older control points as I try to move to the next one. Usually the solution in CoH involved building a bunker, or putting some units into a nearby house. In DoW2 there aren't many buildings at all and you can't build defenses unless you pick a specific hero. Yeah cover works alright but my gunners still seem to get raped behind cover if the enemy uses a certain ability.
So am I just supposed to take a point and hope the old one doesn't get taken? I guess in the ideal game each player would be watching their front and moving up at the same pace but that doesn't happen.
I do like it though. There's ALOT from CoH here which I find fun. There's a lot less overall units to worry about, yet there's so much more micro management here. I dunno if it'll take over CoH as my go to RTS but I do look forward to playing it more.
But as a moderate Company of Heroes player I find myself frustrated with being unable to defend older control points as I try to move to the next one. Usually the solution in CoH involved building a bunker, or putting some units into a nearby house. In DoW2 there aren't many buildings at all and you can't build defenses unless you pick a specific hero. Yeah cover works alright but my gunners still seem to get raped behind cover if the enemy uses a certain ability.
So am I just supposed to take a point and hope the old one doesn't get taken? I guess in the ideal game each player would be watching their front and moving up at the same pace but that doesn't happen.
I do like it though. There's ALOT from CoH here which I find fun. There's a lot less overall units to worry about, yet there's so much more micro management here. I dunno if it'll take over CoH as my go to RTS but I do look forward to playing it more.
Well I have no experience with DoW, but this seems like a big downgrade from CoH.
Interface is awful. I'm new to CoH, and the interface there is very readable, and pretty intuitive.
Units are not very distinguishable.
Battles just seem to be one big mess. I can't seem to find a way to defend captured control points as there seems to be no defensive structures (at least with the hero/race I chose).
I'm definitely not sold on this game. I'll play more of the beta to get a better grasp on the game, but it'll take some convincing for me to buy the full product.
Interface is awful. I'm new to CoH, and the interface there is very readable, and pretty intuitive.
Units are not very distinguishable.
Battles just seem to be one big mess. I can't seem to find a way to defend captured control points as there seems to be no defensive structures (at least with the hero/race I chose).
I'm definitely not sold on this game. I'll play more of the beta to get a better grasp on the game, but it'll take some convincing for me to buy the full product.
TheExodu5 said:
I can't say anything about DOW2, but DoW1 pre Soulstormis awesome. It is probably my favorite game ever and certinately the best RTS ever imo. If you ever get a hold of Dark Crusade, download the Steel legion mod and some community map packs (make sure you get the Gates of Ultramar map).
Druz
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My vent channel pretty much killed all the hype I had for the game.
Listening to their reactions playing was very similar to a group of people talking shit about an old acquaintance then on the spot being told the guy died in a horrific jortblading accident.
I eventually got to play, and I'm liking it. I accept that its no where as... anything as CoH. It's not a replacement. It's pretty simple and might be very newbie friendly(Once you get past unit recognition phase), almost like a trainer for future COH players.
I agree with Evillore on most points except that I find 3v3s much more fun than 1v1s which are quickly win or lose affairs. Things are less of a clusterfuck the more you play.
Listening to their reactions playing was very similar to a group of people talking shit about an old acquaintance then on the spot being told the guy died in a horrific jortblading accident.
I eventually got to play, and I'm liking it. I accept that its no where as... anything as CoH. It's not a replacement. It's pretty simple and might be very newbie friendly(Once you get past unit recognition phase), almost like a trainer for future COH players.
I agree with Evillore on most points except that I find 3v3s much more fun than 1v1s which are quickly win or lose affairs. Things are less of a clusterfuck the more you play.
Tony Rocky Horror
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Lol, just bought Soulstorm for 3,75 
Chris Remo
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This shit is rad. I just want to make a million Ork dreadnoughts and throw Space Marines around all the time.
Trax416 said:
The problem is that CoH is damn awesome.
I personally really disliked the original DoW after playing CoH. Just felt.....boring and uninteresting. So from DoW to DoW2 it is a big upgrade so far. But coming from CoH it feels like they cut concepts and features on all ends and didn't replace them with anything new. Considering how many people say that they suck at the game in the latest CoH thread I guess that is probably a good thing.^^
So far (from reading this thread) DOW II doesn't sound so hot. Maybe its just everyone responding negatively to the game being so different. Though I wonder what the general consensus is in a couple of days when people are more comfortable with the game's mechanics.
Where are dLMN8R's impressions. He's mysteriously absent from the thread. Which is weird considering how excited he was for this game.
Where are dLMN8R's impressions. He's mysteriously absent from the thread. Which is weird considering how excited he was for this game.
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Ferrio said:
There really is no comparison between the two games. Anyone who thinks that DoW II is going to blow Starcraft II out of the water in any way is simply kidding themselves. It won't sell nearly as much, won't be nearly as polished and balanced, and certainly won't have even a fraction of the following. There is simply no contest and the gameplay of the two games isn't even really that similar. The only reason they are being compared is because they have similar settings.
Dawn of War II will be fun I'm sure. Relic did a great job on the original Dawn of War and Company of Heroes and I'm sure they will do a good job on DoW II, but it is just ridiculous to say that DoW II has even the slightest chance of "beating" Starcraft II in any way.
Druz said:
They definitely get points for doing something different with the Company of Heroes and Dawn of War, but Dawn of War II seems like it just a refinement on their past games. That isn't necessarily a fault since their past games were good, but they don't get double points for mixing up / refining the CoH gameplay.
They really are different RTS games and while I personally have a lot of fun with the style of gameplay that Relic has made popular with their RTS games, I prefer more traditional RTS games where base building is an important aspect and individual units are controlled rather than squads.
Minsc
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All this talk about new RTS gameplay suddenly has me wanting a space oriented RTS, with ship to ship combat, Master of Orion style, with focus on research and creating custom units, with capturing planets similar to the DoW strategic points. The captured planets would allow for you to build new bases and add more ships.
Someone make this!
Someone make this!
while i'm having alot of fun with this game as a toybox, i haven't even begun to work out whether the wealth of upgrades and variables on similar infantry units present me with a deep, layered skirmishing experience or just a bunch of different types interchangable explosions and doowhatsits to inconsequentially throw at each other at my leisure.
i've always been a big fan of the first 15 minutes of any coh game, and there's certainly nothing like T4 late game coh escalation in this. the linear tech tree ensures that there are very few occasions where you can really pull a fast one on an opponent through a fast, unchecked tech.
the interface is fiddly as hell, and to advance passed drag and click gameplay, you'll HAVE to learn the wealth of hotkeys for every unit you wish become familiar with, aswell as CONTROL GROUPING EVERY SINGLE UNIT. whereas coh's infantry skirmishing has a far more...organic sense to it, where unit positioning and attack-move will make up the mainstay of your infantry commands, dow2's ability/upgrade based combat is certainly less intuitive, but not necessarily inferior. just different. and as i stated earlier, i'd much rather have an alternative to coh than a replacement.
the jury is very definitely still out, but if the infantry/upgrade/ability centric gameplay goes on to form a rich tapestry of delicate variables, i'm sure i'll put a sickening amount of hours into the final product. if these features turn out to be largely superfluous, inbalanced or inconsequentially interchangable, then, well. i've still got coh.
the same as opposing fronts as far as i can tell. much better than many expected.
i've always been a big fan of the first 15 minutes of any coh game, and there's certainly nothing like T4 late game coh escalation in this. the linear tech tree ensures that there are very few occasions where you can really pull a fast one on an opponent through a fast, unchecked tech.
the interface is fiddly as hell, and to advance passed drag and click gameplay, you'll HAVE to learn the wealth of hotkeys for every unit you wish become familiar with, aswell as CONTROL GROUPING EVERY SINGLE UNIT. whereas coh's infantry skirmishing has a far more...organic sense to it, where unit positioning and attack-move will make up the mainstay of your infantry commands, dow2's ability/upgrade based combat is certainly less intuitive, but not necessarily inferior. just different. and as i stated earlier, i'd much rather have an alternative to coh than a replacement.
the jury is very definitely still out, but if the infantry/upgrade/ability centric gameplay goes on to form a rich tapestry of delicate variables, i'm sure i'll put a sickening amount of hours into the final product. if these features turn out to be largely superfluous, inbalanced or inconsequentially interchangable, then, well. i've still got coh.
Mohonky said:
the same as opposing fronts as far as i can tell. much better than many expected.
fatigues_gasolini
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I managed to get into a team game that went well. Knowing that suppression is key helps. It went back and forth for a while until we eliminated a team. If you arent on the fly from the very beginning, then you can probably just give up. I played CoH and I was terrible at it. Hope I dont end up the same with this one.
ChronoKnight
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Shogun said:
This may help or it may not, it does have a few things that worked for people to get GFW LIVE running with the demo:
http://community.dawnofwar2.com/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=3726&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
I myself still haven't gotten it to work but will tinker with it more tonight. Hopefully I will see you guys on.