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Warner Bros. Puts ‘Man of Steel’ Sequel Into Active Development (Exclusive)

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I'm having a hard time putting a positive spin on unironic apologetics for a movie that so clearly misrepresents a classic character. MoS even fails to make a compelling case for its own violent, brooding alternative to the colorful champion in the comics and Reeve films.

The iconic hero of pop culture doesn't typically lay waste to cities without regard for collateral damage, just saying.

Especially given the tone deaf decision to include what essentially amounts to 9/11 imagery in the film.

I don't think it's unreasonable to say most people, especially Americans, don't really want a Superman that arrives late to 9/11 and then fistfights a terrorist in the street before breaking his neck.

They want a Superman that can fucking stop 9/11.

And yeah, yeah, I realize he saved the world. But that's not what audiences are feeling. That's an intellectual truism and not the evidence of eyes and ears.

The mixed message of Jenny looking on in awe at Superman saying, "He saved us." when her face is smeared grey with the dust of the utter carnage surrounding her while standing in the middle of a place so decimated it looks like an urban corner of hell is striking. And not in a good way. The day has been saved, but it does not feel saved. And because this is a story and not an event that really happened in real life, how it feels matters. It matters a lot.

Realism is not all it's cracked up to be in fiction. When people say they want realism, mostly what they are saying is they're looking for verisimilitude and unbroken immersion. A story should feel consistent. It should first feel right and then secondly it should make a good deal of sense. If you can only pick one, pick heart over head every time. What you can get away with in storytelling is all about what your audience will allow you. Charm and levity are important in that. As Oscar Wilde once said, "If you have to tell people the truth, make sure you make them laugh. Otherwise, they'll kill you."
 
"Show, don't tell" is a piece of advice that ought to be the bane of any artist of ambition.

I'm intrigued. Explain?

I mean, dialogue and exposition are great and there are no hard rules, but in a visual medium, showing the action and highlighting what you want the audience to feel is rather important. It's why directing and cinematography are so important; blocking, pacing, and scene composition are all very important to the story you're trying to tell and the feeling you want to evoke in the audience. From a script perspective, it's reductive, but all told? Still important.
 
Just call it "Not My Superman"

I love Zack Snyder's conservative slant on heroism, Superman helps you rather you ask for it or not. And they don't let anyone tell them what to do! Just look at Diana Prince walking off that airplane, she didn't even look back at the lame stewardess. Or Batman killing all them people.

Eff that peace and love shit. Sit down, shut up, get saved! We're superheroes, get used to it.

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More like stay making money. They're all box office successes, even that one you hate.
Especially that one you hate.

In what universe?


"Show, don't tell" is a piece of advice that ought to be the bane of any artist of ambition.

I hope you never write a script or book .

Anyway if people think that particular advice is purely holistic. Those folks just don't get the process of story telling, it's not about absolution its about knowing when to show and tell or vice versa.
 
More like stay making money. They're all box office successes, even that one you hate.
Especially that one you hate.

Imagine thinking that a movie that was to have the trinity, and only got 860mil is a success. Batman on his own got 1bil twice, so to go from that to 860mil for the trinity is not successful at all. Especially when WOM for all 3 movies were miserable.
 
Wonder if Geoff Johns is writing this one too, his take on Superman is very donner-esque, which they could be steering toward now.

Eitherway cool news, I'm guessing 2019 at the earliest.
 
They all break even, but I don't thinks WB likes spending $200+ million on films that only make profit with home video sales. Thats not what a tentpole franchise is supposed to do.

That's what i mean. That's a lot of money spent not being put back on a return even if they break even. You can only do that for so long, BVS should have made hand over fist and that's the bottom line and you know that's what they thought as well. Regardless of PR.

I don't think they actually lose any money with these films.

Lets see if that stays true if this trend continues. WB doesn't have a lot when it comes to tentpole films, with a huge draw. Especially after Nolan's Batman when it comes to comic book movies.
 
It's admirable they're staying the course, but a soft reboot with a new director might be a good idea for a post-Justice League Superman film. Shake off the dour, weird asshole of Snyderman.
 
They really should just make a proper All-Star Superman movie. Bizarro World, Superman Prime cameo, talking girl off the ledge, the ending, all the sci-fi, all of it.

It'll make up for all the mistakes that have been made this far.

Just Grant Morrison the shit out of it.
 
Wonder if Geoff Johns is writing this one too, his take on Superman is very donner-esque, which they could be steering toward now.

Eitherway cool news, I'm guessing 2019 at the earliest.

Hopefully, he just keeps his hand on the rudder and keeps them from losing the plot in regards to what Superman should be like. I like some of his comics fine, but I've never seen anything he's written for TV or film that led me to believe he's got the chops to make a movie work.

They really should just make a proper All-Star Superman movie. Bizarro World, Superman Prime cameo, talking girl off the ledge, the ending, all the sci-fi, all of it.

It'll make up for all the mistakes that have been made this far.

Just Grant Morrison the shit out of it.

As much as I'd love it, I can't see how you could do that Superman in continuity with MoS and BvS. If we were starting over from zero, sure. Could be great.
 
Hopefully, he just keeps his hand on the rudder and keeps them from losing the plot in regards to what Superman should be like. I like some of his comics fine, but I've never seen anything he's written for TV or film that led me to believe he's got the chops to make a movie work.

Johns hasn't written a film yet. I believe Wonder Woman is his first credited. But the handful of Arrow and Flash episodes he worked on were mostly good. Don't know if has other credits before those.
 
Johns hasn't written a film yet. I believe Wonder Woman is his first credited. But the handful of Arrow and Flash episodes he worked on were mostly good. Don't know if has other credits before those.

I thought he had a writing credit on Green Lantern. Was that not the case?
 
Fuck the haters. I loved Man of Steel. It solved all the problems I had with Superman Returns. Just Clarke stalking Lois for three hours. No fights. He lifts something.

MoS had great action. Felt like Superman.

Best super hero fights I have seen to date.

On another note, A far as exposition goes, if you told me Chris Nolan directed it, I would believe you.
 
As much as I'd love it, I can't see how you could do that Superman in continuity with MoS and BvS. If we were starting over from zero, sure. Could be great.
Oh it's easy, when he comes back to life, he can be reborn with the mindset and philosophy of All-Star Superman. Done. Then the solo movie can just be Grant Morrison doing a "modern grounded" take on it.
 
I forgot how ugly Man of Steel threads can get. I'm sort of glad that my exposure to Superman came from the DCAU cartoons and MoS's
more grounded take didn't bother me at all. All this talk about Superman smiling and being the perfect father figure has me rolling my eyes a little bit.

If that's who the character is to the mass audience, then I finally understand the people who call him boring. I mean the guy just sounds perfect in every way and we know how millennials love themselves some flawed protagonists.

I've never seen any of the Donner films. I started to watch the first movie but I had to stop because I kept thinking how Man of Steel was better in every single way. It's an unfair way to watch a movie that was made almost 40 years ago. I'll return to it with a clearer head.
 
I'm having a hard time putting a positive spin on unironic apologetics for a movie that so clearly misrepresents a classic character. MoS even fails to make a compelling case for its own violent, brooding alternative to the colorful champion in the comics and Reeve films.

The iconic hero of pop culture doesn't typically lay waste to cities without regard for collateral damage, just saying.


A lump of coal is bound to turn into a diamond if you keep squeezing.

This has been disproved with examples from the comics and the animated show so many times in similar threads I am surprised people are still saying this.
 
Also he's like a black hole of emotion. He has nothing of the heroic and optimistic spirit of Superman. He just shows up.

I think the heroic, inspirational optimism is one of the things that defines him as a character. Comic Superman would never have a crisis over whether he should help people. Maybe over how he helps them. At least in the films it's logically consistent, because his parents are amoral cunts instead of the paragons of American values that they've been portrayed as for nearly 100 years.

Rewatching it recently, MoS is a much better film than BvS, and you can tell that Clark is really trying his hardest to do the right thing without giving up his freedom or individuality to the government or Zod. He rebels against Pa Kent's shitty advice.

He then backtracks in his character development in MoS because shared universe. And we're robbed of a key moment promised in the trailers, his testimony in front of Congress justifying his existence, again because the movie's shitty plot demands it.

At least Cap gets a chance to explain his motivation for working above the law, even if you disagree with it the movie is about him so he should have it all laid on the table. This Superman can't even explain himself properly to Batman, a man he knows is misguided at that stage of the story.

This has been disproved with examples from the comics and the animated show so many times in similar threads I am surprised people are still saying this.

Animated Superman only really cuts loose 3 or 4x in the entire series: vs Lobo, vs Doomsday, vs Captain Marvel, and vs Darkseid. He holds back against everyone else, it's the only reason he doesn't splatter most of his opponents. In the case of the captain marvel fight, it's shown that the city is abandoned before he goes nuts in wrecking it.
 
Rewatching it recently, MoS is a much better film than BvS, and you can tell that Clark is really trying his hardest to do the right thing without giving up his freedom or individuality to the government or Zod. He rebels against Pa Kent's shitty advice.

He then backtracks in his character development in MoS because shared universe. And we're robbed of a key moment promised in the trailers, his testimony in front of Congress justifying his existence, again because the movie's shitty plot demands it.

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Couldn't agree more. The main reason I disliked BvS is the complete change in character development with Superman.
 
Yeah, WB has had such a streak of muddled, hard-to-like and deconstructive superhero movies I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt. They may work for some fans (and more power to them) but they absolutely do not work for me.

At this point, I'll consider it a fluke if Wonder Woman clicks. If I remember correctly, that's the one where they had half a dozen fully written screenplays competing for a winning pitch.

There's no vision at the top.
 
I forgot how ugly Man of Steel threads can get. I'm sort of glad that my exposure to Superman came from the DCAU cartoons and MoS's
more grounded take didn't bother me at all. All this talk about Superman smiling and being the perfect father figure has me rolling my eyes a little bit.

If that's who the character is to the mass audience, then I finally understand the people who call him boring. I mean the guy just sounds perfect in every way and we know how millennials love themselves some flawed protagonists.

I've never seen any of the Donner films. I started to watch the first movie but I had to stop because I kept thinking how Man of Steel was better in every single way. It's an unfair way to watch a movie that was made almost 40 years ago. I'll return to it with a clearer head.
I mean if that's what you're getting out of this, you've missed the point.

Other comic book flicks have managed the genuinely optimistic character and had them be well liked, so clearly this isn't a millennial issue.
 
I wonder where they go with Clark Kent tho. Maybe have him settled down on a farm with lois. He can't go public ever again.

Anyways I don't like man of Steel outside of its soundtrack and zod/Kents but I liked their approach to superman so far honestly. I love how his existence itself changes the game on worlds faith and perception of their place on earth.

I get why there was no room for it in BvS but now it's time to make him relatable to the ppl tho. They've already tackled the God on earth angle.
 
They really should just make a proper All-Star Superman movie. Bizarro World, Superman Prime cameo, talking girl off the ledge, the ending, all the sci-fi, all of it.

It'll make up for all the mistakes that have been made this far.

Just Grant Morrison the shit out of it.

I'll even just take Superman talking down the suicidal girl. Open the movie with that and you'll have people actually starting to like him.
 
Animated Superman only really cuts loose 3 or 4x in the entire series: vs Lobo, vs Doomsday, vs Captain Marvel, and vs Darkseid. He holds back against everyone else, it's the only reason he doesn't splatter most of his opponents. In the case of the captain marvel fight, it's shown that the city is abandoned before he goes nuts in wrecking it.

Also in some of the animated DVD movies, like Justice League, it shows him dishing a little bit of collateral damage. It's happened a ton in the comics. It's always assume he is calculating the trajectory to avoid any harm to bystanders. I'm fairly certain that's mentioned a few times in some stories, and MoS could have emphasized that some, admittedly. Besides that, the collateral damage that Supes himself is responsible for is always greatly exaggerated. I think I remember one instance during the Smallville fight where he did something really stupid, but really nothing else, and nothing out of the ordinary from a lot of his comic book fights in the Metropolis fight with Zod.

It's easy to forget that because comics are constantly coming out, Superman has a lot of stories where he fights different tiered enemies (in terms of being able to inflict large scales of damage). Understandably, the movies don't focus on smaller stories like that (relative to Superman) and instead focus on what would be his more epic confrontations. In the movies, both of his main antagonists have otherworldly, destructive power.

What's the best DCAU Superman movie?

Was part of the Justice League show, which were essentially movie length, but watch 2 episodes of Justice League titled "Hereafter" and the Justice League Unlimited episode "For the Man Who Has Everything"

As far as the movies, they did a real good job with "Superman vs the Elite" and a decent job with "All Star Superman"
 
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