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Washington state Police Kill Man for throwing rock *VIDEO NSFW*
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Did they just handcuff a dead man?
Hari Seldon
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I have always said Public Unions are not something that anyone should support. Private unions are fine, but public unions mean that we continue to employ shitty cops and shitty teachers, and they get to vote for their own bosses.
Thornton Reed
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Only a person with an avatar like this can speak so much truth
Well the report says they tried using a tazer and then escalated to guns.
Dreams-Visions
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I'm sure he wasn't dead yet. People don't insta-die unless shot in the head. Sometimes not even then.
Very telling
Its the lack of training. Cops are basically taught the hard lesson of people who didn't shoot first and suffered for it but the lack of training is astounding.
SimpleGamer
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Why do they do this? Lol
Kacho
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Dead or alive, that's what they're trained to do.
True but he posed no threat considering his condition. It just shows how heartless they are.
Foxy Fox 39
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This. Republicans hate minorities for the most part. Or at least they value the traditions and ideals of their brethren more than the life of minorities.
Everyone is apathetic since it's not happening to them. The majority of America is white. The majority of cops in America are white. The majority of races don't care when other races are being mistreated. So like people said until out starts happening top little white girls little will change. But it will stay happening to white America eventually.
I bet there'd be a pretty big push for reform if police started killing wealthy and middle class white teenagers whenever they do something stupid or "suspicious."
Just like with gay marriage, where so many people opposed it until they found out a family member is gay, most Americans aren't going to give a fuck until it affects them directly.
AstroNut325
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I know you're kidding but several U.S. PDs are sending their officers to Israel for training.
BobTheFork
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Is it lack of training? The last year has me questioning how they are trained. It's felt like they are being trained to shoot first. If it's not in the academy then they are trained in 'the real law' once they are should to should with veteran cops.
Cloud Strife
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That was fucking murder. Holy shit, they chase him down, he raises his arms and instead of detaining him they continue to shoot? What the fuck!
Backfoggen
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Indefensible.
DerZuhälter
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If we'd have comic book vigilantes in real life, they'd hunt down more police than crooks.
So they're not trying to hide the fact that they view themselves as an occupying force, huh? Good to know.
Dreams-Visions
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actually, I think that's the only part of their training they implemented correctly.
The goal of shooting isn't usually to kill; rather it is a a last-resort to subdue. After they're subdued, I'm pretty sure they're still supposed to cuff them until medical services arrive, at which time they'd probably remove the cuffs or cuff him to the medical bed.
People have been known to keep running or resisting after being shot, so restraint is standard procedure. Cuffed or not wouldn't have made any difference as he was going to die anyway after being filled with led.
No, American police are not trained to aim for limbs. They are trained to aim for the largest center of mass. Center of chest.
A lot of them are former military personnel. Which explains a lot, IMO.
AstroNut325
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And they are essentially getting military training.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
Cops in the US are trained to shoot to kill... always.
You show enough videos of traffic stops where cops are shot dead and you hear enough stories, then I'm sure that's more than enough to inform this severe paranoia. They resort to this kind of force so frequently because everyone has guns. Everyone has guns because of the insane gun culture. They target minorities disproportionately due to ingrained racism and/or the kind of systemic racism that forces large swathes of minorities into remarkably hostile living environments. It's a toxic cocktail of social conditions that is uniquely American(as far as I can tell).
It doesn't even have to be guns. Every cop has seen a knife get pulled out of nowhere or knows a guy who had a knife pulled on him or have seen videos of it. Of a cop being overpowered and beaten. All it takes is the seed of fear and it just grows from there.
Which makes sense to a degree. A gun is a lethal weapon, so if you're using it for any other reason other than lethal means then you're using it incorrectly. Problem is so many cops apply lethal measure far too frequently.
Life isn't a movie. You don't train police to wing people. That's a good way to accidentally kill someone else. But then again so is firing about 10-12 rounds into a busy intersection.
You're a bit all over this place here.
You can't say that 'everyone has guns, this is why cops do _____' regarding an event where cops are shooting rock throwing people in the back. Again, most 1st world soldiers aren't even allowed that.
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Dreams-Visions
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This is also incorrect. Police in other countries do it just fine. See: the myriad of police shooting stories from other nations posted on GAF regularly. American police don't do it because they're not trained to, not because it's impossible.
Schweinehund
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When it becomes widespread enough that it happens locally.
Does it explain a lot? Because as it's already been discussed in this thread. The US military has to be more discerning about who they shoot. They can't just unload into people who are throwing nothing but rocks.
It's the overall paranoia that informs these kinds of situations. That's really my only point. If guns weren't as prolific then there wouldn't be this overwhelming spectre of life-threatening danger. And that fear of that danger coming from criminals is what creates this environment. The fear is "my life is in danger" and that general fear is informed by "criminals have lethal weapons".
And honestly, yeah, I am all over the place because the whole situation is frustrating and complex to me. It's hard to see what positive change would actually look like.
naw breh
Military training - Check
Military equipment - Check
Less accountability than a military - Check
My question is: where is the war?
Drugs? That'll be decriminalized in a decade or so and looked back on like prohibition.
Terror? Two attacks in 15 years? Not really pressing.
I'll be happier when they just come out with it and say that there is a War on Minorities.
They don't train them to do it because not aiming for the main body mass is risky and stupid.
Not a Jellyfish
but I am a sheep
Absolutely disgusting.
Can a rock do damage? Yes but this is a gross overuse of force.
Can a rock do damage? Yes but this is a gross overuse of force.
Dreams-Visions
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Yes, it does explain a lot. And a GAFer who posted in the thread about the paralyzed guy who works with Cadets in training made very specific mention that those with a military background are a bit of a problem.
I often wonder as to why more less lethal weapons are mandated as first weapon of choice.
Looking at the clip, it seems you mess with the cops even once and you forfeit your life, especially if you are NOT white in god's country.
Unless americans can take these incidents seriously to the point of introducing legislation that would limit the usage of lethal force from the outset regardless of the circumstance, incidents like these will continue to occur.
A part of me thinks police force drones will make for less violent streets in god's country.
Looking at the clip, it seems you mess with the cops even once and you forfeit your life, especially if you are NOT white in god's country.
Unless americans can take these incidents seriously to the point of introducing legislation that would limit the usage of lethal force from the outset regardless of the circumstance, incidents like these will continue to occur.
A part of me thinks police force drones will make for less violent streets in god's country.
you'd like military training for your swat teams and responsive forces in general. PDs aren't sending every person on the force to israel to train for traffic stops. not how it goes at all
have it/don't need it, etc. us police catch more mass shootings and stuff of that nature than anyone else. its nice to have military trained people around
paranoia doesn't make you shoot someone in the back
anecdotal.
plus that same guy had no problem communicating that its okay to show up to 'suspicious activity' calls ready to intimidate right off the fucking bat. he took a lot of bad stances and came off insecure as fuck on top of all that
edit: also, nutcases kicked out of the military have to explicitly state that on entry to most PDs. if the PD is hiring those guys, then the PD is in the wrong. military is preferred for a lot because the vast majority of military have already have a general baseline of do's and don'ts drilled into their heads.
have it/don't need it, etc. us police catch more mass shootings and stuff of that nature than anyone else. its nice to have military trained people around
paranoia doesn't make you shoot someone in the back
anecdotal.
plus that same guy had no problem communicating that its okay to show up to 'suspicious activity' calls ready to intimidate right off the fucking bat. he took a lot of bad stances and came off insecure as fuck on top of all that
edit: also, nutcases kicked out of the military have to explicitly state that on entry to most PDs. if the PD is hiring those guys, then the PD is in the wrong. military is preferred for a lot because the vast majority of military have already have a general baseline of do's and don'ts drilled into their heads.
But isn't that a bit of a generalization? I served for 20 years and retired. I'd never do these things if I was a cop.
I'm not only talking about this specific instance. I'm trying to understand the larger problem.
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
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How about this... don't attack cops because they are legally allowed to kill you. Also, when they have guns drawn, you surrender.
I'm withholding full support for the cops until all the facts are known, but I'm not ready to fully condemn them when this man was resisting like this.
I'm withholding full support for the cops until all the facts are known, but I'm not ready to fully condemn them when this man was resisting like this.
It's been like this forever. Now people care about it.
Bottom of the fourth page. We're getting pretty good GAF.
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