Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
I haven't seen the details, but he may have been on drugs?
I'm ready to condemn them. This is the most clear evidence I've seen of a murder by cop.
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Washington state Police Kill Man for throwing rock *VIDEO NSFW*
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I haven't seen the details, but he may have been on drugs?
I'm ready to condemn them. This is the most clear evidence I've seen of a murder by cop.
you don't even know what your police are actually supposed to be doing lol
Dreams-Visions
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The police chief said they tried to taser him. Either they failed to do it properly or he simply shrugged it off. Either way, they claimed they did.
Believe me when I say that I don't really give 2 fucks how you feel about it. It's working for police in other countries as the opportunity presents itself. As such, maybe it's worth reconsidering here. They don't have magic guns that make it easier to hit legs and yet they seem to be able to do so pretty well. They train better and consequently can aim better. Or, maybe they actually give enough of a shit about the people they're supposed to be protecting to NOT be okay with erasing their lives because it's more convenient than wrestling them down or attempting to disable them in a less threatening manner. Remember back when police actually gave a fuck about keeping people alive? (actually they never gave a shit about keeping my people alive, but w/e)
Remember: the police are here to protect and serve the citizenry; not subjugate and intimidate them. All efforts should and must be made by law enforcement to save and preserve lives. Otherwise they're little more than an occupying military presence. If they're properly aligned in purpose, their job becomes a dangerous one because the effort to preserve life could jeopardize their own at some point. But they knew that when they took the position and that is what's supposed to make them "heroes". If they're scared and trigger-happy they need to leave The Force and go to church. We don't need armed, scared, military-trained, power-hungry narcissists patrolling our streets.
And we certainly don't need people who are inflexible when it comes to reviewing and amending training protocols and procedures as needed.
HammerOfThor
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I couldnt tell, did he throw the rock then run? Or throw it in front of the orange building?
I mean, they where fucking catching up to him they could have tackled him at that point. Not sure why they had to shoot him.
I mean, they where fucking catching up to him they could have tackled him at that point. Not sure why they had to shoot him.
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
He threw it, then ran.
It doesn't work. You won't see the repercussions of it on the US scale because those countries aren't the US and they see a fraction of the shootings we do.
And I'll support the hell out of military-trained cops given jobs out of VA instead of PDs happily taking on guys who breakdown crying during the interview process and have never actually been in a tense situation before.
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
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What does this even mean? 'your police'?
entremet
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I think the results will be different in a locale they don't know and against armed combatants.
The Janitor
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If I had a gun, and someone was about to throw a rock at me, my first instinct would be to dodge the rock. Not shoot the guy before he throws it.
King Cobra
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Wow, so they aren't even using rubber bullets anymore.
Or mentally ill?
They'd probably just hold a seminar about how cool it is that both groups can kill anyone for any reason without recourse.
How bout watch the video. Dude was stopped with hands in the air when they decided to finish their execution.
It doesn't matter what happend before that point. As soon as he is unarmed and surrendering, they no longer have the right to open fire.
I completely agree the results would be different. Its still a good idea let's see how tough these guy are against similar wackos.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Ummmm....can we talk about how they discharged their weapon at a busy intersection and could have easily hit a bystander too. Holy cow.
And yeah, it looks like they just gunned that guy down. I wonder what the story for this one will be.
And yeah, it looks like they just gunned that guy down. I wonder what the story for this one will be.
the police you pay for as a voting taxpayer
when people say shit like "police can legally kill you" it just goes to show the massive disconnect between what cops are supposed to do, what they actually do, and what people expect them to do
The man was standing with his arms up. No weapon whatsoever. And they shot him. GTFO with that bullshit.
Who the fuck do you think funds the police and they are sworn to protect and serve?
WeAreStarStuff
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Something needs to change.....................nothing will change :/
LOL really? cmon. They are our police force. As in we pay them.
Epsilon-delta
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You're generalizing. No vet returning from a combat zone with a history of PTSD would be able to pass the psychological exam that police departments require.
Most vets from my experience, whether combat or not, don't want anything to do with becoming a cop after they retire or leave the military.
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
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Things are obviously very heated in here right now. The video is very disturbing, and causes lots of emotions. I'm going to go ahead and GTFO for the time being.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
BuggyDClown
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Can we stop filling our police with ex military. Fuckin shit
So basically you can't back up what you said so leave?
while ignoring the video entirely and clinging to my biases and preconceived notions
you're not helping anything when you don't hold a public service to a standard. healthcare, education, police, etc - expect something better
WeAreStarStuff
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I mean what facts are missing for you? I don't care if he beat the shit out of one of the cops 5 minutes earlier. Fired and gun and then threw it away. He stopped resisting arrest. Put his hands up. Unarmed. And they shot him.
Dreams-Visions
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In this situation, it must certainly would have. I don't give a shit about the volume differences. In this situation, better training and subsequent aiming for a leg (or how about just not shooting him?) turns this from a page 2 story in the local paper to an execution-style murder getting national attention.
Sometimes life is just about effort, bruh. They didn't try or otherwise make any real effort in the end to protect his man's life. Their job was to do exactly that, and not only did they fail but they did so spectacularly. Their purpose as police has been lost over the years, it seems. This should never be the outcome in a situation like this and whatever retraining, imprisonments and expulsions that may be needed to return them to their reason for existing ought to be pursued with vigor.
Again, they're little more than an occupying military presence right now. No relationship, no compassion, and a clear disregard and disdain for the citizens they're tasked to protect. With that combination, results are unsurprising.
again, cops get to shoot without consequences far more often than military probably ever has
gutter_trash
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most cops would be so lucky to have actual training.
most troops scorn cops for not have adequate training,
in revenge, cops treat old veterans like shit
They shouldn't have even had guns out much less been shooting.
Its some rocks, the cops have batons, pepper spray, tasers and their hands. So many ways to deal with the problem without resorting to shooting.
Uncle_Classy
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You know something's systemically wrong when seeing a video like this isn't even a surprise anymore.
manfestival
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Good ol pasco county
home of meth and pillheads. While the dude is probably strung out on something, the use of force is unreal. Why cant they neutralize a threat or are rocks somehow injected with steroids too now?
home of meth and pillheads. While the dude is probably strung out on something, the use of force is unreal. Why cant they neutralize a threat or are rocks somehow injected with steroids too now?
Chief will always defend his/her men, which is why those interviews/articles are pointless unless it's an outside investigation.
Dreams-Visions
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You'll get no disagreement from me.
And again, the worst part is the police chief coming out and saying it's justified.
And that's part of the problem. Systemic corruption. An inherent desire to defend rather than to seek objective truth and act accordingly. Dismissing the obvious (video evidence) in order to protect his/her guys. They have to be held to higher standards, but they can't even police themselves. How can they police the nation?
I'm going to stick strictly to the myth of 'shooting to disable' because that's literally the only thing I'm disagreeing with you on for the most part.
You can't wish a lethal weapon into a non-lethal weapon. That same effort to clip someone is what led to those 7 bystanders getting shot in NY some months back. This instance is a perfect example of how everything about bringing lethal weapons out to begin with was what sent it to hell.
If you ever NEED deadly force, then you need absolutely nothing less. They didn't need it here. Most people don't recognize when deadly force is actually warranted and legitimately NEEDED. You can't apply training meant specifically force situations where you NEED to use deadly force to a situation where it was never called for to begin with. On top of that, you don't take training meant exclusively for that situation and change the training simply because that training is being used in the wrong environments. Using deadly force here was like calling up a hail mary at the 1 yard line.
like seriously - if you ever absolutely have to use lethal force, then winging people isn't even an option. guns aren't phasers, you can't set them to stun.
And believe me when I say it's mutual. I'd rather not have the local PD attempting to wing people. All that does is introduce another option to pull and use their service revolvers. It's stupid, and dangerous.
IISANDERII
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fucking hell.
m_shortpants
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Funny thing, NYPD did actually train with the IDF in Israel.
dream
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And that's been a problem for me. It's unfair to generalize, obviously, but stories like this are so ubiquitous that I find myself not feeling any sympathy any time there's a story about a cop getting killed. Which is horrible.
IDF makes bank off US LE
it isn't just the NYPD either. I know guys from all over the country that have trained with them in some capacity
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