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[depths20XX]

nope.

look at that long, flowing hair. It's practically a mullet. Unless Crispus had a mean perm, that's not him either. The darker arms are just white arms with lots of hair.

I point it out because it's a reminder that black heroes like Crispus are being slowly edited out of history books. There will be a time very soon when people will have never heard of him at all. I used to have a PPT presentation with several slides of history book revisions over the course of about 30 years where his name and description was eventually shortened, then removed entirely.

You realize there are multiple works of art depicting that right? He is shown in some of them.

Edit: He's also in that picture as well, as someone just pointed out.

 

[Nikodemos]

Nah that's not him but he is in the picture. Look to the left of the guy with the raised club in the center.

Oh, yeah, I see him now. Right next to the guy with the yellow hat.

 

[Sushi Nao]

You're right. But I don't think you should gun down someone for throwing a punch either, and apparently that is 100% legal. So I don't know where this stands from a legal standpoint.

Easy. Things are going to get a lot worse before they get better, especially with growing income inequality.

So, to adjust, police are using people of colour and the poor to set legal precedent for consequence-free murder of anyone they want. There's a large segment of the population that will condone or even encourage this. The cases aren't going to trial very often yet, but they will, and acquittals will come. Once enough of a precedent is set, then they can kill anyone for any reason.

Speaking out about police killings too vehemently will probably be one of the reasons eventually, if something as petty as rocks can do it now.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Nah that's not him but he is in the picture. Look to the left of the guy with the raised club in the center.

But that guy isn't dead. Do you see the problem here?

Crispus was the first man to die for this country. If he's not dead on the ground, the image is incorrect. He wasn't a casual by-stander. He wasn't a simple protester that happened to be there in the crowd as shit went south. He was the first man to die in the Revolutionary War. Him missing from images and accounts of the events of the massacre are not a trivial matter. It's a historical slight of tragic proportions. It'd be like having someone other than George Washington crossing the Delaware in the famous painting.

You realize there are multiple works of art depicting that right? He is shown in some of them.

you realize that accuracy is fucking important, right? You realize shit like this isn't "forgotten" by happenstance, yes? It's not by mistake that he's been largely removed from American history books in K-12 schools and lots of paintings. We like to revise color right out of our history books. Case in point.

 

[TimeEffect]

Erm, what happened to tasers?

 

[BajiBoxer]

Why are american cops such idiots?

Some police departments were found turning away people who scored too highly on their exams. Not sure how widespread this discrimination against smart people was, or if the departments ever changed their policy after the bad press.

 

[Ol No Bones]

I'm afraid of the police now. It doesn't matter who you are or what you are doing if you blink at a cop you may get killed.

 

[depths20XX]

But that guy isn't dead. Do you see the problem here?

Crispus was the first man to die for this country. If he's not dead on the ground, the image is incorrect. He wasn't a casual by-stander. He wasn't a simple protester that happened to be there in the crowd as shit went south. He was the first man to die in the Revolutionary War. Him missing from images and accounts of the events of the massacre are not a trivial matter. It's a historical slight of tragic proportions. It'd be like not having someone other than George Washington crossing the Delaware in the famous painting.


you realize that accuracy is fucking important, right? You realize shit like this isn't "forgotten" by happenstance, yes? It's not by mistake that he's been largely removed from American history books in K-12 schools and lots of paintings. We like to revise color right out of our history books. Case in point.

What the hell are you even going off on man?

First you complain he's not in some painting from 1868 and how that has something to do with current history books, and he IS in the painting. I don't even get why you're on the history book thing now, or how the painting relates to that.

 

[Wickerbasket]

Holy shit, they literally killed him for running away.

When he turned around to give up, they unloaded their guns into him.

What the hell.

 

[YoungFa]

That was an execution.

 

[Thornton Reed]

Erm, what happened to tasers?

Why would you even need tasers?? Just tackle and restrain him

 

[Flo_Evans]

People think he was putting his hands up? looks like he was winding up to throw another rock to me.

 

[wildfire]

But that guy isn't dead. Do you see the problem here?

Crispus was the first man to die for this country. If he's not dead on the ground, the image is incorrect. He wasn't a casual by-stander. He wasn't a simple protester that happened to be there in the crowd as shit went south. He was the first man to die in the Revolutionary War. Him missing from images and accounts of the events of the massacre are not a trivial matter. It's a historical slight of tragic proportions. It'd be like not having someone other than George Washington crossing the Delaware in the famous painting.

I see where you are coming from. I will be more diligent about using historical depictions in the future. The significance of his death clearly isn't as prominent as it should be.

What the hell are you even going off on man?

First you complain he's not in some painting from 1868 and how that has something to do with current history books, and he IS in the painting. I don't even get why you're on the history book thing now, or how the painting relates to that.

It's important. It's like saying during 9/11 only the twin towers were hit. So what about the Pentagon? In this case though the implications are far more serious about what way Black people have been a part of history, or the indians for that matter as well.

 

[air jordans for dogs]

People think he was putting his hands up? looks like he was winding up to throw another rock to me.

Damn, he deserved being shot then, it could have bruised an officer of the law.

 

[mreddie]

Unless he can control the rocks like a supervillain, that was overkill.

Fucking hell.

 

[plasmasd]

Imagine telling someone in 1915 that a good way to make money in 2015 would be to use a portable motion picture camera, while driving a horseless carriage, to take a film of a group of cops executing a man for throwing rocks.

Advertisers would then pay to have ads featured overlaying the film as it shown worldwide.

 

[Dabanton]

WTF!? that was like something from GTAV watching the cops chase someone,shoot them and walk off as if nothing has happened.

 

[depths20XX]

IIt's important. It's like saying during 9/11 only the twin towers were hit. So what about the Pentagon? In this case though the implications are far more serious about what way Black people have been a part of history, or the indians for that matter as well.

Considering his first post was basically "Ugh, look at this painting, Crispus Attucks isn't even in it. Just another reminder of how they are editing current history books." It made no sense.

Crispus Attucks is a pretty well known martyr of the Revolutionary War so it's not like this dude has been glossed over. Just seemed weird.

 

[OrlanisWorks]

Wow, looks like he was gonna throw another rock. What the hell, dude?

Still didn't need to be shot. Wasn't warranted.

 

[Flo_Evans]

Damn, he deserved being shot then, it could have bruised an officer of the law.

Well thats another argument entirely, doesn't seem like he was "giving up" to me though.

 

[WordsintheWater]

I honestly cannot believe what I just watched. Are they fucking serious? Did they really have to fire on him the second time when he stops? Wtf did I just watch?

 

[Kinthalis]

Wtf did I just watch?

State sanctioned murder.

 

[Dreez]

U.S. cops go 0 to 100 real quick.

Can't they develop some net guns for humans or something....

 

[Yaphett Kotto]

That is textbook murder. You got so many cops on this guy and instead of just man handling him and keeping him alive, you shot the guy as he is running away and again when he turns around to possibly surrender.

Won't be surprised if the cops don't get shit for this either.

Crispus Attucks is a pretty well known martyr of the Revolutionary War so it's not like this dude has been glossed over. Just seemed weird.

I've definitely never heard of him until now and I have been to many schools in the north and south of the US that covered the Boston Massacre in social studies/history. They mentioned some free man or slave was killed, but never say he was the first to die or even mention him by name.

Knowing how this country has a serious issue with white washing certain parts of American history, I am not surprised that Crispus is slowly being edited out of books.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I've definitely never heard of him until now and I have been to many schools in the north and south of the US that covered the Boston Massacre in social studies/history. They mentioned some free man or slave was killed, but never say he was the first to die or even mention him by name.

Knowing how this country has a serious issue with white washing certain parts of American history, I am not surprised that Crispus is slowly being edited out of books.

hey! glad I could provide just a little new and cool info to someone out there in the world today. fuck yea.

I might try to find that old PPT presentation to show how he's been systematically removed from many text books, both by name and ethnicity.

 

[Yaphett Kotto]

hey! glad I could provide just a little new and cool info to someone out there in the world today. fuck yea.

I might try to find that old PPT presentation to show how he's been systematically removed from many text books, both by name and ethnicity.

Yea, thanks man. :] Nice little BHM moment there.

 

[watershed]

Part of the problem is that police take any escalation as reason to use deadly force. There is no restraint or middle ground. In so many other countries the guy would have been tasered, tackled, or somehow otherwise restrained.

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

What would be a solution to all of this?

Like, i have zero confidence in the gun culture ever changing because so many people have a weird fantasy that it will protect them from the government. I would love to see very strict regulation of firearm ownership, it just isn't going to happen.

Cops protect one a other whether good or bad. I've seen friends who are cops post stupid shit comparing the amount of cops that died since 9/11 to soldiers that died over seas stating there is a war on cops the streets....when you tell them to look at the statistics, the majority of cops die in car accident and other non-felony ways, they turn tail and run.

More accountability is definitely needed. The turn and hide behind the union needs to stop.

Better education and training? Better hand to hand submission techniques then just trying to choke a guy or slamming them head first into the ground with their hands behind their back?

More defensive equipment? Maybe all cops should wear bullet proof vests all the time while on duty?

Better less than lethal equipment?

Stricter rules of engagement?

 

[Flo_Evans]

Part of the problem is that police take any escalation as reason to use deadly force. There is no restraint or middle ground. In so many other countries the guy would have been tasered, tackled, or somehow otherwise restrained.

He was tasered. Didn't stop.

 

[Angel_DvA]

damn... I'm speechless, they could have stopped him, I hope all of them will go to jail for the rest of their lives.

 

[NEOPARADIGM]

People think he was putting his hands up? looks like he was winding up to throw another rock to me.

Agreed.

 

[watershed]

He was tasered. Didn't stop.

So what? There are many other methods available to those officers. Just because he was tasered and didn't stop doesn't mean its time for him to die. Did you read my full comment?

 

[TheExecutive]

Doesn't matter who he was talking about, your statement was absurd and incorrect.
There were no guns pointed at Eric Garner and he was murdered. Oscar Grant was handcuffed and on his knees when he was shot in the back.
He has every reason to be afraid of cops especially if he is not white.
You're wrong.

Nothing I said was absurd or incorrect. Keep your hyperbole to yourself.

 

[Beefy]

Agreed.

I don't really see this as a big point tho. He got killed for throwing stones/ rocks, now that is what we should be angry about.

 

[Cmerrill]

Holy fuck, that was murder!

Incoming paid vacation for the 3 cops involved, and being completely absolved of any wrong doing.

USA is one fucked up place.

I would be terrified of the cops if this shit happened here in Canada.

 

[Enzom21]

Nothing I said was absurd or incorrect. Keep your hyperbole to yourself.

I posted clear examples of why it is incorrect and absurd.
Following orders is meaningless and you can still be shot or killed.
Once again, here is a man following orders and still being shot. http://youtu.be/KeT_oSLtI-o
You're wrong.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

So what? There are many other methods available to those officers. Just because he was tasered and didn't stop doesn't mean its time for him to die. Did you read my full comment?

+1.

Taser his ass again if need be. Break out the pepper spray. Or how about a good ol' fashioned dog pile tackling.

 

[doctorblurg]

For fucks sake. He didn't even make a reach for his goddamn pockets and he got unloaded into.

 

[Zoolader]

Murder in broad daylight. All three police officers should be charged and go to prison.

 

[Cmerrill]

Murder in broad daylight. All three police officers should be charged and go to prison.

Has this EVER happened to a cop for murdering a human in the line of duty in the USA?

 

[DC R1D3R]

Are US cops trained this way?

it's in their blood!

 

[Enzom21]

King David killed a giant with a stone.

Rocks are dangerous breh.

 

[GruntOfAction]

In before post detailing how dangerous thrown rocks can be!

Technically speaking if the suspect was a professional baseball pitcher, he could throw those rocks in upwards of up to 90 miles per hour if-


Who am I kidding. Cops here are stupid as hell. Throwing rocks should've been met with a tackling, taser at the most. Not this kind of bullshit.

 

[Yaphett Kotto]

Has this EVER happened to a cop for murdering a human in the line of duty in the USA?

There are, but they are rarer than they should be, sadly.

Rocks are dangerous breh.

Name of anime?

 

[DC R1D3R]

whats a rock to a gun?

whats a king to a God?

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

We do have a police problem here in America, with almost daily incidences of needless aggression from Police, this is not one of those cases.

He was throwing rocks at police, they tried to taze him it didnt work, he looks like he's winding up for another throw and they put him down.

This isn't murder.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

I'm in shock. That's murder. Plain murder.

 

[Enzom21]

There are, but they are rarer than they should be, sadly.



Name of anime?

Parasyte.

 

[Yaphett Kotto]

Parasyte.

Ah, thanks.

 

[Beefy]

We do have a police problem here in America, with almost daily incidences of needless aggression from Police, this is not one of those cases.

He was throwing rocks at police, they tried to taze him it didnt work, he looks like he's winding up for another throw and they put him down.

This isn't murder.

What is it then?