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[Cmerrill]

We do have a police problem here in America, with almost daily incidences of needless aggression from Police, this is not one of those cases.

He was throwing rocks at police, they tried to taze him it didnt work, he looks like he's winding up for another throw and they put him down.

This isn't murder.

Rocks, they're rocks, dude. 3 cops could easily have tackled the man, or pepper sprayed him. If you think their actions where justified, I sure as fuck hope you're not a cop.

Guns should be an absolutely last resort and used when they're in mortal danger.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

Rocks, they're rocks, dude. .

I know what a rock is, i've had the back of my head busted open by one before. They tried to taze him, it didnt work.

It's a shitty situation for the cops to be put in, you are basically telling them to let their faces get bashed in.

 

[watershed]

We do have a police problem here in America, with almost daily incidences of needless aggression from Police, this is not one of those cases.

He was throwing rocks at police, they tried to taze him it didnt work, he looks like he's winding up for another throw and they put him down.

This isn't murder.

That's only because you are conditioned to the way American police operate. Again in so many other countries this would have ended without any deaths. I've seen police use riot shields to surround a single suspect, suspects with knives have been taken down after stabbing or slashing multiple people without being shot.

 

[wildfire]

Name of anime?

Parasyte

I could post a good kill pic but that would be too spoilery.

 

[Jackpot]

We do have a police problem here in America, with almost daily incidences of needless aggression from Police, this is not one of those cases.

He was throwing rocks at police, they tried to taze him it didnt work, he looks like he's winding up for another throw and they put him down.

This isn't murder.

I didn't know the US had the death penalty for throwing rocks.

 

[TheExecutive]

I posted clear examples of why it is incorrect and absurd.
Following orders is meaningless and you can still be shot or killed.
Once again, here is a man following orders and still being shot. http://youtu.be/KeT_oSLtI-o
You're wrong.

Ok FFS. I will spend time to explain what is going on here.

My issue here is whatever you are using as examples does not negate my statements, make them wrong, absurd, or incorrect. I did not intend the statements to be deductive in nature but inductive. To use a deductive argument and propose it's truth in this case would, in fact, be absurd. Your assumption that I am indeed attempting to use a deductive argument in this case is incorrect.

Let's create a sentence and put this to bed:

If you follow orders from a police officer during a confrontation you have a better chance of surviving.


But I digress.

 

[wildfire]

I know what a rock is, i've had the back of my head busted open by one before. They tried to taze him, it didnt work.

It's a shitty situation for the cops to be put in, you are basically telling them to let their faces get bashed in.

They highly likely would live. Just like the British several hundred years ago or the Israelis last week.

 

[Hjod]

This is so freaking horrible, that's a straight up exuction, fucking hell.


I can honestly say that if I were to throw rocks at the cops in my country I don't have to fear anything other than being tackled to the ground. Not that I would ever throw rocks at someone, just saying that I don't fear the police at all. It must be fucked up going around fearing the police even if you're never done anything wrong.

 

[TheExecutive]

We do have a police problem here in America, with almost daily incidences of needless aggression from Police, this is not one of those cases.

He was throwing rocks at police, they tried to taze him it didnt work, he looks like he's winding up for another throw and they put him down.

This isn't murder.

I do believe as a private citizen if I shot someone for throwing a rock at me in public I would be charged with a crime (assuming I could carry a firearm). I have no doubt that it would be at least manslaughter.

 

[professor_t]

I can't bring myself to watch the video, but the descriptions are enough to sicken and bewilder me.

It seems like this is a growing epidemic, but it's probably just that more and more of these incidents are now getting captured on film.

As a nation, we have to do something about this, while somehow steering clear of the rhetoric that all cops are evil racists (racism certainly is a problem in their ranks, but blanket statements are unfair and only exacerbate the problem).

 

[Hjod]

We do have a police problem here in America, with almost daily incidences of needless aggression from Police, this is not one of those cases.

He was throwing rocks at police, they tried to taze him it didnt work, he looks like he's winding up for another throw and they put him down.

This isn't murder.

Like a dog, nice one there.

Why not run in and take him down instead of unloading their pistols on him? So if someone doesn't go down from being tazed they should shoot them?

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

We do have a police problem here in America, with almost daily incidences of needless aggression from Police, this is not one of those cases.

He was throwing rocks at police, they tried to taze him it didnt work, he looks like he's winding up for another throw and they put him down.

This isn't murder.

Two reasons why what you just said is idiotic:

1. If the person "put down" was a child under the same circumstances would you defend the cop?

2. If someone was throwing rocks at you would you strangle them to death?

You're an apathetic person with barely any empathy for other people. I dare say none. You regard order and rules higher than that of justice and life.

Basically -- you're the type of person Martin Luther King was getting sick of:

I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season

Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.".”

 

[SapientWolf]

I posted clear examples of why it is incorrect and absurd.
Following orders is meaningless and you can still be shot or killed.
Once again, here is a man following orders and still being shot. http://youtu.be/KeT_oSLtI-o
You're wrong.

Not to say it never happens, but it's not meaningless unless your chances are equally bad in either case. There are about 30k arrests a day. Most of them don't end this badly.

And it's certainly not meaningless from a legal standpoint. That guy actually got fired and charged with a crime. Backbreaker also got charged and fired.

 

[J-Rzez]

We do have a police problem here in America, with almost daily incidences of needless aggression from Police, this is not one of those cases.

He was throwing rocks at police, they tried to taze him it didnt work, he looks like he's winding up for another throw and they put him down.

This isn't murder.

Correct. You're allowed to use lethal force in regards to dealing with the event of death OR serious bodily injury. That's how it is until changed.

Officers don't forfeit their life and well being when they put on the patch/badge, people need to realize Leo's are people too. People need to understand this. I'd rather a good cop goes home alive and without permanent injury than see some random guy who has no respect for law and authority have a free shot. If this is a something against someone's train of thought, get a large protest going, large enough to make changes rather than complain on forums. Do something about it right, not By throwing rocks.

Keep in mind, if sweeping changes happen and cops feel they can't defend themselves, many will quit, especially the good cops. We will have less presence and we live in a rather violent society compared to much of the rest of the world.

Come up with a plan and do something to get it to happen. Imho.

 

[Princess Carl]

Correct. You're allowed to use lethal force in regards to dealing with the event of death OR serious bodily injury. That's how it is until changed.

Officers don't forfeit their life and well being when they put on the patch/badge, people need to realize Leo's are people too. People need to understand this. I'd rather a good cop goes home alive and without permanent injury than see some random guy who has no respect for law and authority have a free shot. If this is a something against someone's train of thought, get a large protest going, large enough to make changes rather than complain on forums. Do something about it right, not By throwing rocks.

Keep in mind, if sweeping changes happen and cops feel they can't defend themselves, many will quit, especially the good cops. We will have less presence and we live in a rather violent society compared to much of the rest of the world.

Come up with a plan and do something to get it to happen. Imho.

1. Cops do in fact enter that line of work knowing their life is on the line and that they may lose it at any point.

2. Holy Strawman batman. I didn't realize he was one of those unarmed demon men who could take on three armored trained policemen by himself.

3. What good cops?


Edit: You could also make the same argument and switch cops and people around. Citizens should get the benefit of the doubt first; being a cop doesn't give you the right to be executioner, you know, like the rest of the modern world who already knows this.

 

[Chichikov]

I know what a rock is, i've had the back of my head busted open by one before. They tried to taze him, it didnt work.

It's a shitty situation for the cops to be put in, you are basically telling them to let their faces get bashed in.

If the three policeman feel like they're unable to subdue a guy who might have a rock, let him fucking go.
For real, what the fuck would've happened? he would've gone on a rock murderous spree?

 

[FourMyle]

I feel like, besides racism, all of this is a product of our insane gun worship. Cops are trained to be twitchy as fuck around people because you never know who is packing and you never know who will shoot you in the face before you even have time to react like it happened with that cop a few weeks ago.

 

[Booshka]

Watching that poor guy slump over after they just unload into him, fucking hell...

These cops are out of their minds.

 

[Skeyser]

Unless the man was hurling boulders, they had no business gunning him down

 

[Monocle]

Imagine the damage that guy could have done to the officers if a portal had deposited him behind them as he was running in the opposite direction.

The shooting was self defense for this and other scientific reasons.

 

[akira28]

Yeah, police are trained to be unnecessarily violent. The racism adds to where they mostly target their aggression to.

yyyyyyep

land of the free and right to bear arms got these police seriously liable to pop off.

Watching that poor guy slump over after they just unload into him, fucking hell...

These cops are out of their minds.

they fire their pistols, they're already fucked by review boards and paperwork for days, so they better go all the way. Can't look like you're unsure about whether you should be killing the guy.

 

[Limit]

This looks like some SNL skit where the wacky cops are running towards a citizen with guns blazing, murdering him in broad daylight. Except that the guy was actually murdered. In broad daylight.

 

[Mascot]

Jesus Christ, that's some Judge Dredd level of egocentric arrogance from those cops. What the fuck is happening with police in the US? This is fucking madness.

 

[vesvci]

Ridiculous. This was point blank execution by the cop. Nothing short of criminal charges should be on the "executing" police officer.

What, are we in the West Bank now or are our police forces being trained by Israel?

FFS. That's neither here nor there.

 

[Sölf]

Something is definitly wrong with the american police forces. This happens way too often in the last couple of months.

 

[I Stalk Alone]

Name and shame these guys. Ruin their reputation. They dont deserve one. law and order, fuck me. Where is the justice?

 

[TheVampire]

Rocks are dangerous breh.

Imagine him playing baseball

 

[vesvci]

Correct. You're allowed to use lethal force in regards to dealing with the event of death OR serious bodily injury. That's how it is until changed.

Officers don't forfeit their life and well being when they put on the patch/badge, people need to realize Leo's are people too. People need to understand this. I'd rather a good cop goes home alive and without permanent injury than see some random guy who has no respect for law and authority have a free shot. If this is a something against someone's train of thought, get a large protest going, large enough to make changes rather than complain on forums. Do something about it right, not By throwing rocks.

Keep in mind, if sweeping changes happen and cops feel they can't defend themselves, many will quit, especially the good cops. We will have less presence and we live in a rather violent society compared to much of the rest of the world.

Come up with a plan and do something to get it to happen. Imho.

There MIGHT be some justification when the video started and the guy was tossing rocks are the cop. I saw the taser gun going off, and probably about 5 shots fired at the suspect (how the hell did the cop miss 5 times? At close range). To be reasonable, at this point, maybe deadly force is justified...maybe.

When the cop fatally shot the man, he didn't have anything in his hands. He was unarmed and stepping away from the cops. At this point, they could have restrained him through various methods...physically by force, baton, pepper spray or another taser shot. There was NO need to fire live rounds at the man. This was an execution at this point.

 

[Forkball]

I know what a rock is, i've had the back of my head busted open by one before. They tried to taze him, it didnt work.

It's a shitty situation for the cops to be put in, you are basically telling them to let their faces get bashed in.

Dude, they are mere feet away from him, he stops and puts his hands up, and they unload on him. The moment of danger is over for the cops.

 

[gogosox82]

What the fucking hell man. He even stopped throwing rocks after they got close. He clearly stopped and put his hands up and looked at him and shot him dead.

 

[Yoshichan]

The saddest thing I've watched in a while...

I paused Breaking Bad to see this clip and now I can't stop hating on Hank. Fuck Hank.

 

[Jmanunknown]

I feel like, besides racism, all of this is a product of our insane gun worship. Cops are trained to be twitchy as fuck around people because you never know who is packing and you never know who will shoot you in the face before you even have time to react like it happened with that cop a few weeks ago.

It is really just a bunch of things that lead to way police act towards citizens in the US especially minority citizens. Racism,Gun Ownership, the prison industrial complex and the drug war those are the four main reason things are the way they are. The sad thing is none of this is new especially if your a black person in the US this is the same old bs that has been going on for a long time but difference is that now a lot of people have camera's so it is getting documented more.

 

[Spineker]

Do yourselves a favor, AmeriGAF, GET OUT.

 

[Alienous]

The punishment of rock throwing is death by firing squad.

You betrayed the law.

 

[finowns]

What the fucking hell man. He even stopped throwing rocks after they got close. He clearly stopped and put his hands up and looked at him and shot him dead.

I only watched it a couple times but it looked like he was going to throw again.

 

[CozMick]

These past few years have put me off ever visiting the united states, some dudes with guns shooting every fucker that moves, goddamn that video makes you sick.

 

[lednerg]

I only watched it a couple times but it looked like he was going throw again.

...and kill them?

 

[hobblygobbly]

We do have a police problem here in America, with almost daily incidences of needless aggression from Police, this is not one of those cases.

He was throwing rocks at police, they tried to taze him it didnt work, he looks like he's winding up for another throw and they put him down.

This isn't murder.

But there was no danger to warrant lethal force...

This is something that U.S police aren't conditioned to. Lethal force is very specific and a unique situation, crime in almost all European countries is stopped without any lethal force, just good tactics and training. Europe isn't any different with the types of crime, it's all the same, police don't use lethal force.

Why does lethal force need to be used here? Are police officers so badly trained that they cannot deal with someone throwing rocks? U.S police has the best equipment in the world for police (and some questionable), but they seem to lack the training to deal with situations that don't require lethal force. So tazing isn't working so they decide "well, better just kill him?"

European police deal with murderers on the loose with guns and they still catch them without lethal force. If so many police forces can do it, why can't the U.S? He had fucking rocks. Rocks. Let that sink in. Police officers can't deal with that? If lethal force is the only strategy to use to diffuse a situation then there's a problem with the training of officers. Lethal force is NOT the standard in many countries and they deal with the same situations.

Rocks.

 

[finowns]

...and kill them?

...What?

 

[Vicetrailia]

Three guys with guns versus one guy with fucking pebbles. Execution.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

There MIGHT be some justification when the video started and the guy was tossing rocks are the cop. I saw the taser gun going off, and probably about 5 shots fired at the suspect (how the hell did the cop miss 5 times? At close range). To be reasonable, at this point, maybe deadly force is justified...maybe.

When the cop fatally shot the man, he didn't have anything in his hands. He was unarmed and stepping away from the cops. At this point, they could have restrained him through various methods...physically by force, baton, pepper spray or another taser shot. There was NO need to fire live rounds at the man. This was an execution at this point.

Nope!

 

[C.Dark.DN]

Is this fucking h1z1/dayz?

 

[jfoul]

Cops thought he was reaching for the sky, and had to put him down.

 

[Loofy]

In before post detailing how dangerous thrown rocks can be!

I came into this thread expecting to say something like that but man that video was like a game of tag your shot.

 

[lednerg]

...What?

Just saying even if he was going to throw a rock, it wasn't a situation requiring lethal force. I shouldn't be putting words in your mouth though, so that's my bad.

 

[slit]

WTF!?!

I mean the dude put his hand up for a second right before being shot but it's not like he was reaching for something in his pockets. I mean the rock couldn't have been that big.

FUCK. Nothing is going to be done about this shit until more people across the country band together and take a hard stance, which basically means never.

 

[SapientWolf]

But there was no danger to warrant lethal force...

This is something that U.S police aren't conditioned to. Lethal force is very specific and a unique situation, crime in almost all European countries is stopped without any lethal force, just good tactics and training. Europe isn't any different with the types of crime, it's all the same, police don't use lethal force.

Why does lethal force need to be used here? Are police officers so badly trained that they cannot deal with someone throwing rocks? U.S police has the best equipment in the world for police (and some questionable), but they seem to lack the training to deal with situations that don't require lethal force. So tazing isn't working so they decide "well, better just kill him?"

European police deal with murderers on the loose with guns and they still catch them without lethal force. If so many police forces can do it, why can't the U.S? He had fucking rocks. Rocks. Let that sink in. Police officers can't deal with that? If lethal force is the only strategy to use to diffuse a situation then there's a problem with the training of officers. Lethal force is NOT the standard in many countries and they deal with the same situations.

Rocks.

It's not that they can't. It's that they legally don't have to. I feel like there's a certain callousness that goes along with gun culture... Take Ronald Kozak for example. Had an ongoing argument with a neighbor over a fence on a property line last year. They ended up having a scuffle over it one day. The neighbor threw a brick, and hit him in the head. Kozak drew a gun and threw bullets. The neighbor died. Kozak was acquitted. Self defense. But do you really need a gun to defend yourself from a guy throwing bricks?

If the law says that's okay, and 12 jurors say that's okay then the problem goes deeper than policing. It's a problem with gun culture.

 

[Chariot]

No words.

 

[slit]

There MIGHT be some justification when the video started and the guy was tossing rocks are the cop. I saw the taser gun going off, and probably about 5 shots fired at the suspect (how the hell did the cop miss 5 times? At close range). To be reasonable, at this point, maybe deadly force is justified...maybe.

When the cop fatally shot the man, he didn't have anything in his hands. He was unarmed and stepping away from the cops. At this point, they could have restrained him through various methods...physically by force, baton, pepper spray or another taser shot. There was NO need to fire live rounds at the man. This was an execution at this point.

No, it looks like he was about to throw another rock.

I just can't imagine that required them to shoot him down like that. That is what is disgusting.

 

[finowns]

Just saying even if he was going to throw a rock, it wasn't a situation requiring lethal force. I shouldn't be putting words in your mouth though, so that's my bad.

No problem. I think it was excessive too. I wasn't commenting on that though.