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[AmMortal]

You think Rorshach is cool now, just wait. He is the ultimate anti-hero.

Don't highlight this spoiler text though:

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"Your hands. My perspective ... One-nothing. Your move. Come and get me."

IMO, if Snyder and Haley (the actor) get Rorschach right, everything else will fall into place. Unfortunately, there wasn't much Rorschach in the trailer (even though he had one of the only lines).

Seriously though, I haven't seen a fictional character like him in a long while I can't wait to see what the second chapter holds for me..

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

Deadpool, from Cable & Deadpool #13:

http://www.abjecthubris.com/images/cdp13.jpg


It's very reminiscent of Rorschach though, yes, with the fedora + trench + mask.

Or its original source:

EDIT: Incidentally Merryweather (the female character's surname in that story) is my mother's maiden name.

 

[Catalix]

Seriously though, I haven't seen a fictional character like him in a long while I can't wait to see what the second chapter holds for me..

Just had to say, I love hearing fresh perspectives on the story and characters. Carry on...

 

[AmMortal]

Just had to say, I love hearing fresh perspectives on the story and characters. Carry on...

In the beginning for instance, when the two detectives enter the crimescene, they way they talk, takes them out the usual generic cop talk. They actually talk about the crime and how it could have all went down, they both throw ideas in the mix. None of them bad, but then you see the way it actually happened, while they're conversing. Like a real movie is being played in your mind. I can't explain it, but the characters seem to have this sense of deep reality to them, when I look at rosharch for instance, I want to see what happened before everything and why the whole city seems to think he stink ( lol). He actually answers the past for you in the way he talks through his diary, very intimate and open at the same time.


and more Much more...just don't have enough time to do that now..

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

Just had to say, I love hearing fresh perspectives on the story and characters. Carry on...

I do enjoy the fact that this trailer is introducing people to quality comic book stories, but I do feel sorry for them because they're reading one of the best graphic novel stories ever written and after they finish it there's not much more on that level. Which is the route I went... and I ran out of similar quality stories quite some time ago.

 

[EviLore]

Or its original source:

http://blogs.laweekly.com/play/130-091~Humphrey-Bogart-Posters.jpg[/IMG]

Wasn't suggesting that the trench + fedora was popularized by Watchmen, if that was the impression.

 

[The Lamonster]

In the beginning for instance, when the two detectives enter the crimescene, they way they talk, takes them out the usual generic cop talk. They actually talk about the crime and how it could have all went down, they both throw ideas in the mix. None of them bad, but then you see the way it actually happened, while they're conversing. Like a real movie is being played in your mind. I can't explain it, but the characters seem to have this sense of deep reality to them, when I look at rosharch for instance, I want to see what happened before everything and why the whole city seems to think he stink ( lol). He actually answers the past for you in the way he talks through his diary, very intimate and open at the same time.


and more Much more...just don't have enough time to do that now..

Glad you're liking it so far...so you went out and bought it today after recommendations on this thread? You chose well.

Anyway, you will find out more about Rorschach, including why he smells and why he fights crime etc.

 

[JimiNutz]

I do enjoy the fact that this trailer is introducing people to quality comic book stories, but I do feel sorry for them because they're reading one of the best graphic novel stories ever written and after they finish it there's not much more on that level. Which is the route I went... and I ran out of similar quality stories quite some time ago.

This is partly why I've never read it. I've been meaning to for a long time and every time I see it in a book store I'm really tempted. But I'm just starting to explore comic books/graphic novels and I've heard that Watchmen is so much better than pretty much everything else that once you've read it graphic novels will never be the same again. I decided that I'd try and read all the other series that I'm interested in first and put off Watchmen for as long as possible. If the movie gets great reviews then I'll probably go see it on the big screen and then I know I'll have to read the graphic novel afterwards to see how it compares. Part of me therefore hopes the movie ends up being awful so that I can continue to put off reading the book :lol

 

[AmMortal]

Glad you're liking it so far...so you went out and bought it today after recommendations on this thread? You chose well.

Anyway, you will find out more about Rorschach, including why he smells and why he fights crime etc.

Also, the chapters are so thick in this comic...it took me long to read through them, well I guess that's what they call bang for your buck.

btw

What the hell do I need to do to get a Tag?

 

[RSTEIN]

Wasn't suggesting that the trench + fedora was popularized by Watchmen, if that was the impression.

Why you would want a SECOND GENERATION Weapon X subject as your avatar is beyond me... the first batch was much, much better.

 

[EviLore]

Why you would want a SECOND GENERATION Weapon X subject as your avatar is beyond me... the first batch was much, much better.

 

[The Lamonster]

btw

What the hell do I need to do to get a Tag?

Ask and you shall receive!


Just kidding. Some people here view tags as leet, because only mods can give you a tag. However, it's typically something demeaning and not necessarily a good thing. Usually, one has to post something incredibly retarded. Either way, straight up asking is not the way to get a tag. Some users go tag-fishing and start stupid threads that often result in teh banning.


edit: wait you have over 4k posts...don't you know this by now?

 

[AmMortal]

Ask and you shall receive!


Just kidding. Some people here view tags as leet, and only mods can give you a tag and it's usually something demeaning and not necessarily a good thing. Usually, one has to post something incredibly retarded. Either way, straight up asking is not the way to get a tag. Some users go tag-fishing and start stupid threads that often result in teh banning.

Whoa, I just did the stupidest thing, my impatience kicked in again, and asked EviLore for a tag :O

Hope he doesn't ban me :sadface:

oh shit...

 

[Catalix]

In the beginning for instance, when the two detectives enter the crimescene, they way they talk, takes them out the usual generic cop talk. They actually talk about the crime and how it could have all went down, they both throw ideas in the mix. None of them bad, but then you see the way it actually happened, while they're conversing. Like a real movie is being played in your mind. I can't explain it, but the characters seem to have this sense of deep reality to them, when I look at rosharch for instance, I want to see what happened before everything and why the whole city seems to think he stink ( lol). He actually answers the past for you in the way he talks through his diary, very intimate and open at the same time.


and more Much more...just don't have enough time to do that now..

I think I know what you mean. The writing and pacing of the scenes is ace. Very cinematic. Some almost seem like they're happening in real-time.

The "supplemental" material at the end of chapters felt like a real treat every time. The texture and depth of that world's mythology is very rewarding. Glad you're enjoying as much as you are, even after just one chapter

 

[MisterHero]

lol cap got kicked in the groin

well I can't wait to see this movie even though I barely skimmed the comic (I really try to read it but the art hurts my eyes sometimes) :lol

maybe I should buy the comic

 

[The Lamonster]

I think I know what you mean. The writing and pacing of the scenes is ace. Very cinematic. Some almost seem like they're happening in real-time.

The "supplemental" material at the end of chapters felt like a real treat every time. The texture and depth of that world's mythology is very rewarding. Glad you're enjoying as much as you are, even after just one chapter

I love how they've created this entire universe with all these side-stories and secondary characters. Watchmen did for comics what Star Wars did for movies and Arrested Development did for comedy television. Cult works, indeed.

Whoa, I just did the stupidest thing, my impatience kicked in again, and asked EviLore for a tag :O

Hope he doesn't ban me :sadface:

oh shit...

:lol

You PM'd EviLore asking for a tag?

haha yeah. Good luck

 

[AmMortal]

Thank God...everything is still okay...

(sigh of relief and fear)

Edit: I have over 4k posts? :lol

I did not know this... There's no way I did half a thousand posts in one day :O

I think I know what you mean. The writing and pacing of the scenes is ace. Very cinematic. Some almost seem like they're happening in real-time.

The "supplemental" material at the end of chapters felt like a real treat every time. The texture and depth of that world's mythology is very rewarding. Glad you're enjoying as much as you are, even after just one chapter

Thank, this is actually the first time I'm reading through a comic...

 

[EviLore]

maybe I should buy the comic

Not maybe; definitely. Watchmen's absolutely essential reading, even if comics are anathema to you. I gained a lot of respect for the medium after reading it, though you might be hard-pressed to find other works that evoke the same feelings of comic books as concession-free mature storytelling tools.

 

[Prime crotch]

Has this been posted already? Moore's most recent say about the movie.

He's (Snyder) supposed to be a very nice guy.

He may very well be, but the thing is that he's also the person who made 300. I've not seen any recent comic book films, but I didn't particularly like the book 300. I had a lot of problems with it, and everything I heard or saw about the film tended to increase [those problems] rather than reduce them: [that] it was racist, it was homophobic, and above all it was sublimely stupid. I know that that's not what people going in to see a film like 300 are thinking about but...I wasn't impressed with that.... I talked to [director] Terry Gilliam in the '80s, and he asked me how I would make Watchmen into a film. I said, ''Well actually, Terry, if anybody asked me, I would have said, 'I wouldn't.''' And I think that Terry [who aborted his attempted adaptation of the book] eventually came to agree with me. There are things that we did with Watchmen that could only work in a comic, and were indeed designed to show off things that other media can't.

 

[The Lamonster]

Has this been posted already? Moore's most recent say about the movie.

Yes it has been posted many times in this thread. Moore kind of sounds like a snob! Also, he admits he hasn't even seen 300, and he refuses to even meet Snyder.

I, for one, have much faith in Snyder after seeing the trailer and watching the Comic-Con panel.

 

[my name is ed]

Has this been posted already? Moore's most recent say about the movie.

I wonder what moore thinks of miller's other work?

edit:

Yes it has been posted many times in this thread. Moore kind of sounds like a snob! Also, he admits he hasn't even seen 300, and he refuses to even meet Snyder.

I, for one, have much faith in Snyder after seeing the trailer and watching the Comic-Con panel.

Moore isnt a snob. He doesnt care at all for movies based on his stuff, or movies in general

 

[AmMortal]

Yes it has been posted many times in this thread. Moore kind of sounds like a snob! Also, he admits he hasn't even seen 300, and he refuses to even meet Snyder.

I, for one, have much faith in Snyder after seeing the trailer and watching the Comic-Con panel.

Yeah, seriously, he actually made the characters look and act like how you'd expect them to.He's done that to the whole Watchmen world, to be fair.. very accurately portayed.

 

[Prime crotch]

Yes it has been posted many times in this thread. Moore kind of sounds like a snob! Also, he admits he hasn't even seen 300, and he refuses to even meet Snyder.

I, for one, have much faith in Snyder after seeing the trailer and watching the Comic-Con panel.

He read the book which is pretty much all you need to get a general idea of the movie. And since he hated it....

 

[JimiNutz]

Yeah, seriously, he actually made the characters look and act like how you'd expect them to.He's done that to the whole Watchmen world, to be fair.. very accurately portayed.

He seems to see an attempt at turning his comic into a movie as a personal insult. From the sounds of it the whole point of Watchmen was to prove that certain stories can only be told through comic books thus making a movie version impossible. I haven't even read the comic but I already disagree with him. Comics, books, movies, TV, painting, photography, music, computer games, they can all tell stories in different ways. Each method has unique qualities, but that doesn't mean that the stories should be confined to just the one medium.

TDK may not be a perfect panel by panel adaptation of a Batman comic, but that doesn't mean that it can't tell a good story in it's own right. Likewise the soundtrack to TDK is not a successful adaptation of a Batman comic book story, but again that doesn't mean that it can't tell a story in it's own unique way. There are things that a good director (not necessarily Snyder) can do with movies that cannot be done in comic books. Same goes for a good writer, painter, musician etc. Good stories can be told in any medium and while the Watchmen movie may have to cut or alter certain things from the book that simply cannot be recreated in another medium, it's possible that the film can likewise add unique touches that simply cannot be recreated in the comic book medium.

 

[my name is ed]

He seems to see an attempt at turning his comic into a movie as a personal insult. From the sounds of it the whole point of Watchmen was to prove that certain stories can only be told through comic books thus making a movie version impossible. I haven't even read the comic but I already disagree with him. Comics, books, movies, TV, painting, photography, music, computer games, they can all tell stories in different ways. Each method has unique qualities, but that doesn't mean that the stories should be confined to just the one medium.

Its almost impossible to properly make a movie out of Watchmen. It would need to be like 7 hours long or something like that. I do like that the artist is working closely on the movie because panels have all these little details you pick up when you read it again. The way Moore structured some of the issues in Watchmen would be incredibly hard to pull off in a movie. Im specifically thinking of the

Spoiler

Dr. Manhattan issue where panels do not flow in time but more closely follow how Manhattan sees the world

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

A lot of what Watchmen is about *is* comics. Both content-- Superheroes-- and also form.

I have no doubt that they can adapt the story and the basic critique of Superhero content, but that's only half the experience.

I still think it's worth doing, but I can see Moore's reasoning against it.

 

[StoOgE]

I didnt know Terry Gilliam wanted to make this into a movie. It would have been sublime.

 

[dagZ]

1080p

Can anyone convert that into a mp4 format, so I can put it on my PS3 please?

 

[nitewulf]

wow, i had no idea Alan Moore and I see completely eye to eye on the 300 issues. much respect for him now, so basically i should grab his other stuff now like From Hell...

 

[StoOgE]

He seems to see an attempt at turning his comic into a movie as a personal insult. From the sounds of it the whole point of Watchmen was to prove that certain stories can only be told through comic books thus making a movie version impossible. I haven't even read the comic but I already disagree with him. Comics, books, movies, TV, painting, photography, music, computer games, they can all tell stories in different ways. Each method has unique qualities, but that doesn't mean that the stories should be confined to just the one medium.
.

I disagree completely. All mediums have strengths and weaknesses. Film has 3 essential things going on for it that other mediums cannot do:

1) It shows action much better because it moves
2) Sound
3) Emotion can be shown more naturally because you can show it happening without beating someone over the head with it.

Comics have the ability to do a few things that movies cannot. Comics can hide details in images that movies cannot... because you can stare at something for as long as you need to soak it all in. Comics can throw shit in the background like a flyer or a newspaper headline and leave it up to the viewer to find it.

Books have a similar ability to describe things in great detail, and in doing so tell you alot about the charachter mindset. Thats one of my chief complaints about the Lord of the Rings movies. The books are more about traveling, commraderie and the journey. The movie glosses over all of this (because it has to, you cant have a movie that is 2 hours of people walking). In the books there is less stuff going on and more time waiting for the next thing to happen. In the movies small action scenes that take 2-3 pages now take 30 minutes or more. Movies have advantages sure, but it doesnt mean everything can be well adapted.

Timeline: Comic books can literally jump between 3-4 different subplots at once. Movies can try and do this with cutting back and forth, but you still spend 4-5 minutes in each scenario. In the watchmen you get different stories and different timelines from panel to panel. One might be set in the 50's, the next in the 80's. Hell, some panels tell the story of the pirate comic book while advancing the main plotline at the same time. Mannhattan's story jumps all over the place and lets you piece it together. You can't do it the same way in this movie, and you are going to lose something when you try and tell the story in a straight timeline.

Inner voice: There is something lost when an inner voice becomes a voiceover. Its no longer an inner voice. Its now dialouge. The stream of conciousness that most of the charachters in Watchmen, especially Rorchach is going to be too disjointed to leave as is, it will have to be changed.

As to your point about TDK: Its not an adaptation. It is an original story written for the screen featuring charachters that came from comic books. Hardly the same thing at all.

 

[Kletian]

OK bought the Comic, read it the whole way through. I gotta be honest, and I will get hated for this, other than Rorschach and the ending I was not as blown away as I thought I would be.

Dr. Manhattan and the newstand+comicwithin a comic bored me to tears. I know the comic was suppose to parallel the story, I knew that while I was reading it. And I know the newstand was there to let the reader know what's going on in the world (thus making the ending make sense) But I skipped every entry in that pirate comic past the Shark part.

Again, the ending was fantastic, but the build-up to it....ugh.

Maybe I need to read is a second time to fully appreciate it, but at the moment it has not lived up to the hype.

 

[nitewulf]

OK bought the Comic, read it the whole way through. I gotta be honest, and I will get hated for this, other than Rorschach and the ending I was not as blown away as I thought I would be.

Dr. Manhattan and the newstand+comicwithin a comic bored me to tears. I know the comic was suppose to parallel the story, I knew that while I was reading it. And I know the newstand was there to let the reader know what's going on in the world (thus making the ending make sense) But I skipped every entry in that pirate comic past the Shark part.

Again, the ending was fantastic, but the build-up to it....ugh.

Maybe I need to read is a second time to fully appreciate it, but at the moment it has not lived up to the hype.

well, sounds like you blazed through it on hype, of course you didn't enjoy it.

i read it over a period of months, relishing it. and i love it.

 

[ten5ive9ine]

He seems to see an attempt at turning his comic into a movie as a personal insult. From the sounds of it the whole point of Watchmen was to prove that certain stories can only be told through comic books thus making a movie version impossible. I haven't even read the comic but I already disagree with him. Comics, books, movies, TV, painting, photography, music, computer games, they can all tell stories in different ways. Each method has unique qualities, but that doesn't mean that the stories should be confined to just the one medium.

It seems like you talking about something you've got no idea about. Moore and comics have been fucked around by hollywood so much in the last 20 years I can't see any reason for him to not hate them.
Have you seen League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, From Hell or V for Vendetta?
Have you read the comics? It's a pretty shitty situation.

 

[Karakand]

Dr. Manhattan and the newstand+comicwithin a comic bored me to tears. I know the comic was suppose to parallel the story, I knew that while I was reading it. And I know the newstand was there to let the reader know what's going on in the world (thus making the ending make sense) But I skipped every entry in that pirate comic past the Shark part.

I almost always tell people to skip the metafiction in their first reading. Metafiction is great and I love it, but it's usually an impediment your first time consuming something.

 

[Staccat0]

guess what?
Zach Snyder is a shitty director who hides behind his other staff who deserve more attention
Guess what?
Watchmen is comprised almost entirely of character devlopment and internal conflict... y'know grown up stuff. Its not 300. There is hardly any action or external conflict aside from a few choice scenes.
Guess what?
The casting seems to ignore a major theme in the book... y'know... they are all old now...
Guess what?
This movie will suck really hard because it wont know what it wants to be
Guess what?
Gamerz have shit taste and will love it.

This movie is turning me into comic book guy.
The studios will want a superhero flick, but the source material is really more of a midlife crisis/ accepting adulthood story.
Its a comic for adults. It will bore the average brat to tears.

I predict a schitzo movie that will vary widly in tone and be adored by people who insist the rest of us need to
"turn our brains off and just enjoy everything you are being marketed"

 

[AmMortal]

My God, David Hayter did an ace on the screenplay.

Reading Chapter II now, and I'm seeing that Funeral scene, it's exactly how it looks like in the trailer.

Whoa, why have I not read this before...

 

[Uncle]

guess what?

Dude, you have to give us time to guess.

 

[JimiNutz]

I disagree completely. All mediums have strengths and weaknesses. Film has 3 essential things going on for it that other mediums cannot do:

1) It shows action much better because it moves
2) Sound
3) Emotion can be shown more naturally because you can show it happening without beating someone over the head with it.

Comics have the ability to do a few things that movies cannot. Comics can hide details in images that movies cannot... because you can stare at something for as long as you need to soak it all in. Comics can throw shit in the background like a flyer or a newspaper headline and leave it up to the viewer to find it.

Books have a similar ability to describe things in great detail, and in doing so tell you alot about the charachter mindset. Thats one of my chief complaints about the Lord of the Rings movies. The books are more about traveling, commraderie and the journey. The movie glosses over all of this (because it has to, you cant have a movie that is 2 hours of people walking). In the books there is less stuff going on and more time waiting for the next thing to happen. In the movies small action scenes that take 2-3 pages now take 30 minutes or more. Movies have advantages sure, but it doesnt mean everything can be well adapted.

Timeline: Comic books can literally jump between 3-4 different subplots at once. Movies can try and do this with cutting back and forth, but you still spend 4-5 minutes in each scenario. In the watchmen you get different stories and different timelines from panel to panel. One might be set in the 50's, the next in the 80's. Hell, some panels tell the story of the pirate comic book while advancing the main plotline at the same time. Mannhattan's story jumps all over the place and lets you piece it together. You can't do it the same way in this movie, and you are going to lose something when you try and tell the story in a straight timeline.

Inner voice: There is something lost when an inner voice becomes a voiceover. Its no longer an inner voice. Its now dialouge. The stream of conciousness that most of the charachters in Watchmen, especially Rorchach is going to be too disjointed to leave as is, it will have to be changed.

As to your point about TDK: Its not an adaptation. It is an original story written for the screen featuring charachters that came from comic books. Hardly the same thing at all.

You just listed a load of things that back up my post. I was arguing that each medium had different strengths-which you then pointed out. I wasn't arguing that one is stronger than the other. I haven't read Watchmen, but have no doubt that it can't be completely adapted to film, again I made this point in my original post. I was arguing that rather than try to adapt aspects that can't work from the book, they should instead adapt the book by playing to the strengths of the medium of film, which will probably require cuts/alterations. That doesn't necessarily mean that they can't create a good movie. My point about TDK was that you can use source material to inspire a great, if entirely different, story.

It seems like you talking about something you've got no idea about. Moore and comics have been fucked around by hollywood so much in the last 20 years I can't see any reason for him to not hate them.
Have you seen League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, From Hell or V for Vendetta?
Have you read the comics? It's a pretty shitty situation.

The point of the post was that the same stories can be filtered through different mediums to create unique experiences. Your reply simply backs up this point.

Unlike Watchmen I own the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and V for Vendetta. I have also seen both movies. The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is a good example of telling a story in a different medium, making changes, and then fucking it up. The movie was appalling regardless of how it compares to the source material. V for Vendetta on the other hand was not. Sure the movie wasn't as good as the book, but in it's own right it is not a bad movie-although not great.

I know Moore has been offended by Hollywood’s adaptations of From Hell, The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, and V for Vendetta, but that doesn't necessarily mean that all adaptations of his work will end up being awful. Given the right director comic books can inspire good movies, in the same way that good directors/writers can produce great movies from novels. I’m not trying to argue that Watchmen will be good-I haven’t read it, and even if I had I have no faith in Snyder as a director, I’m just pointing out that it’s foolish to argue that comic books cannot in any way make the jump to the big screen, which it seems Moore is suggesting.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

You just listed a load of things that back up my post. I was arguing that each medium had different strengths-which you then pointed out. I wasn't arguing that one is stronger than the other. I haven't read Watchmen, but have no doubt that it can't be completely adapted to film, again I made this point in my original post. I was arguing that rather than try to adapt aspects that can't work from the book, they should instead adapt the book by playing to the strengths of the medium of film, which will probably require cuts/alterations. That doesn't necessarily mean that they can't create a good movie. My point about TDK was that you can use source material to inspire a great, if entirely different, story.

you also improve the story by putting it on film sometimes. I know I will get a lot of hate but Fellowship of the ring was WAY better than the first boring ass book.

 

[dmshaposv]

OK bought the Comic, read it the whole way through. I gotta be honest, and I will get hated for this, other than Rorschach and the ending I was not as blown away as I thought I would be.

Dr. Manhattan and the newstand+comicwithin a comic bored me to tears. I know the comic was suppose to parallel the story, I knew that while I was reading it. And I know the newstand was there to let the reader know what's going on in the world (thus making the ending make sense) But I skipped every entry in that pirate comic past the Shark part.

Again, the ending was fantastic, but the build-up to it....ugh.

Maybe I need to read is a second time to fully appreciate it, but at the moment it has not lived up to the hype.

I must admit that in my first read through, I didn't like bits from "the tales of the black freighter", but it started getting more tolerable towards the end.

However the part in the comic I really despised, was Dreiberg's Owl article. Although, in retrospect, I guess the point was that it was meant to be boring - I didn't want to skip it in my first read through because I thought it'd be somewhat relevant in the later chapters.

 

[Ghost]

Weird thing about the black freighter (to me) was that Moore spoiled the whole conclusion in the article about the writers life and disappearance. I never understood that.

I think I would have liked it a hell of a lot more if I didn't know half way through that

Spoiler

he was going to get home, kill some innocent people before realising the pirates never went there

 

[Justin Bailey]

Has this been posted already? Moore's most recent say about the movie.

So Moore hasn't even seen 300 and he's basing Snyder's film-making ability off of the book (wtf?) and what he "heard" about 300. What a load of BS.

 

[Ghost]

Yes it has been posted many times in this thread. Moore kind of sounds like a snob! Also, he admits he hasn't even seen 300, and he refuses to even meet Snyder.

I, for one, have much faith in Snyder after seeing the trailer and watching the Comic-Con panel.

Considering the quality of all the other adaptations of Moores work we've had to suffer through, you cant blame him for his total lack of faith. He told them they wouldn't make good movies, they didn't listen.

 

[The Lamonster]

guess what?
Zach Snyder is a shitty director who hides behind his other staff who deserve more attention
Guess what?
Watchmen is comprised almost entirely of character devlopment and internal conflict... y'know grown up stuff. Its not 300. There is hardly any action or external conflict aside from a few choice scenes.
Guess what?
The casting seems to ignore a major theme in the book... y'know... they are all old now...
Guess what?
This movie will suck really hard because it wont know what it wants to be
Guess what?
Gamerz have shit taste and will love it.

This movie is turning me into comic book guy.
The studios will want a superhero flick, but the source material is really more of a midlife crisis/ accepting adulthood story.
Its a comic for adults. It will bore the average brat to tears.

I predict a schitzo movie that will vary widly in tone and be adored by people who insist the rest of us need to
"turn our brains off and just enjoy everything you are being marketed"

away with you, troll!


You're probably one of the 2006 Heath Ledger haters too, right?

 

[dmshaposv]

Weird thing about the black freighter (to me) was that Moore spoiled the whole conclusion in the article about the writers life and disappearance. I never understood that.

I think I would have liked it a hell of a lot more if I didn't know half way through that

Spoiler

he was going to get home, kill some innocent people before realising the pirates never went there

Well it wasn't much of a twist anyway, even before I read the article on Shea, I had a feeling something like that would happen in the comic.

Also, looking at that issue (chapter 5) it never literally spoils it, but heavily implies by saying that

Spoiler

"the mariner was marooned from humanity in a terrible way"

 

[The Lamonster]

Can somebody explain the part where

Spoiler

people are celebrating the end of shooting for a film on a boat, and these two lovers in the underside accidentally flip a switch that explodes the boat? Was that the missing writer?

 

[Ghost]

Well it wasn't much of a twist anyway, even before I read the article on Shea, I had a feeling something like that would happen in the comic.

Also, looking at that issue (chapter 5) it never literally spoils it, but heavily implies by saying that

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"the mariner was marooned from humanity in a terrible way"

oh really? :lol I remember it being much more blatant than that. Never mind then.

 

[Zeliard]

I disagree completely. All mediums have strengths and weaknesses. Film has 3 essential things going on for it that other mediums cannot do:

1) It shows action much better because it moves
2) Sound
3) Emotion can be shown more naturally because you can show it happening without beating someone over the head with it.

Comics have the ability to do a few things that movies cannot. Comics can hide details in images that movies cannot... because you can stare at something for as long as you need to soak it all in. Comics can throw shit in the background like a flyer or a newspaper headline and leave it up to the viewer to find it.

Books have a similar ability to describe things in great detail, and in doing so tell you alot about the charachter mindset. Thats one of my chief complaints about the Lord of the Rings movies. The books are more about traveling, commraderie and the journey. The movie glosses over all of this (because it has to, you cant have a movie that is 2 hours of people walking). In the books there is less stuff going on and more time waiting for the next thing to happen. In the movies small action scenes that take 2-3 pages now take 30 minutes or more. Movies have advantages sure, but it doesnt mean everything can be well adapted.

Timeline: Comic books can literally jump between 3-4 different subplots at once. Movies can try and do this with cutting back and forth, but you still spend 4-5 minutes in each scenario. In the watchmen you get different stories and different timelines from panel to panel. One might be set in the 50's, the next in the 80's. Hell, some panels tell the story of the pirate comic book while advancing the main plotline at the same time. Mannhattan's story jumps all over the place and lets you piece it together. You can't do it the same way in this movie, and you are going to lose something when you try and tell the story in a straight timeline.

Inner voice: There is something lost when an inner voice becomes a voiceover. Its no longer an inner voice. Its now dialouge. The stream of conciousness that most of the charachters in Watchmen, especially Rorchach is going to be too disjointed to leave as is, it will have to be changed.

As to your point about TDK: Its not an adaptation. It is an original story written for the screen featuring charachters that came from comic books. Hardly the same thing at all.

Well said. I'd say the one huge negative for almost every film is that they completely limit the viewer's imagination. With some exceptions, movies show you essentially everything on the screen and give you most if not all of the required information, so you have almost nothing left to fill in the blanks with. And that one huge negative becomes a huge positive for comics and and especially books, the latter of which leave virtually everything in a visual sense up to the imagination.

This is also probably the biggest reason why film adaptations of novels and comics are often so ineffective - people already have their own very personal ideas on how the characters should look, sound, move, act, think, etc, (as well as the environments and interactions) and the disappointment they feel upon watching somebody else's interpretation of those things is almost natural and inevitable, particularly when it all has to be condensed to 2-3 hours of material. That's why a lot of people are going to be disappointed by the Watchmen movie, and why a lot will love it.

 

[dmshaposv]

Can somebody explain the part where

Spoiler

people are celebrating the end of shooting for a film on a boat, and these two lovers in the underside accidentally flip a switch that explodes the boat? Was that the missing writer?

Spoiler

Max Shea (the writer), Hira (artist, Max's lover), a psychic (forgot the name) and some other important celebrities were hoodwinked by Ozymandias into making the monster that destroys the city in the end. They thought they were doing something for a blockbuster movie in secrecy (thus they were isolated on the island) and the monster was an elaborate special effect. To keep their mouth shut, Ozymandias kills them all by setting up the time bomb in their departing ship, after they finished making the monster.

Thus no one would ever know about Ozy's grand scheme.(except the other watchmen)

At least that's what I think.

 

[yacobod]

^^ yep