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Johann said:
The novel is more about the psychology of the characters and their motives. There are fights but only a few of them are your traditional superhero vs. supervillian fights. Most of the fights are between the superheroes and these thuggish characters but it's still entertaining to see the heroes overcome the odds or be resourceful. Moore also does an excellent job exploring the characters juxtaposing the fights with a calmer moment or something else.
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Thanks for explaining.
 
I would love more than anything in the world to see the full 3 hour director's cut of Watchmen (long movies have nothing wrong with them).

That said: no chance in hell, at least not in theaters. Maybe for DVD (here's hoping).
 
Tr4nce said:
So, finally I understand what Watchmen is about, after reading up about the subject ALOT. Anyway, I have to say that the first time I saw the trailer I thought that the characters, except for the Comedian and Rorshach, looked so corny. But now I know what Watchmen is about, and the whole premise looks awesome to me. I also ordered the graphic novel. Can't wait for it to arrive. I want to know the backgrounds of these people, and want to know what they are like. Anyway, I've read through this whole thread, and I saw that it has been said multiple times that the novel doesn't contain much action. Now, that's all fine by me, but how come there's little action in a book about superheroes? Don't you get to see them fight crime occassionally in the novel and stuff like that?
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That's kind of the point. They're not superheroes; they're grown men and women in Halloween costumes.
 
Instead of "reading up on" Watchmen, how about actually *reading* Watchmen? Seriously, I'd just wait until you've read it before worrying about how much action it has and so on.
 
Have you ever read a comic? All twelve issues go by fast enough and you probably put in more time reading up about Watchmen than you will reading the comic.
 
EviLore said:
Instead of "reading up on" Watchmen, how about actually *reading* Watchmen? Seriously, I'd just wait until you've read it before worrying about how much action it has and so on.
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I can't wait to start reading it, but I only ordered yesterday and I think it will be here in 7 days. Oh well. :)
 
Rindain said:
Petition for a 3 hour (or more) uncut Watchmen movie:

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Watchmen3hrMoviePetition/
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:lol Oh hell no. Remember, we actually want the general public to watch this. Save the ultra fan-gasm wankfest for later...

Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
I would love more than anything in the world to see the full 3 hour director's cut of Watchmen (long movies have nothing wrong with them).

That said: no chance in hell, at least not in theaters. Maybe for DVD (here's hoping).
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We might very well end up getting some kind of "ultimate" Watchmen experience when it's released on DVD, so that's cool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3ZbJFTETNE
 
We might very well end up getting some kind of "ultimate" Watchmen experience when it's released on DVD, so that's cool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3ZbJFTETNE
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I read about the straight to dvd release of "Black Freighter" yesterday, along with Under the Hood, and thought that was a very cool move. IF they can squeeze it into the film properly then I'll be impressed.

HOWEVER, and there is always a however, I hope we don't get a scenario where we initially get a "2 Disc Collector's Edition" and then 6 months later we get the "Super Ultimate Colllector Director's Cut Edition"

Who am I kidding.... of course that's how it will play out. Damn you Lord of the Rings!!
 
I cant believe i missed this song from the trailer, i really like it. I don't really have any music that has a dark tone like this song does, anyone suggest some similar songs?
 
Jason's Ultimatum said:
Oh please no. The length of TDK was already unbearable.

Is wikipedia a good enough source for reading up on the Watchmen's history?
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Just buy and read the complete novel. You'll probably want to read the whole thing, as once you start it's really hard to put down. I finished through all 12 chapters in about 3 - 4 days. Worth every second, TBH.
 
I usually don't do this, but how can you make a movie out of this book? Of all the books to adapt, this one makes the least sense. It's built for the medium. The sheer layers! WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE LAYERS! It simply doesn't suit a linear, one-dimensional (in terms of presentation) medium.

BUT: The trailer looked good. Costumes captured well, nice casting and the bloody song that seems written for the Watchmen. I don't quite see the world captured in all its grit and its claustrophobic setting but hey, early days right?

Damn the song fits the characters like a glove...

SPOILERSZZZZZZZZZ:
Send a heartbeat to
The void that cries through you
Rorschach

Relive the pictures that have come to pass
For now we stand alone
Manhattan and that bloody awesome photo montage (on Mars was it?)

The world is lost and blown
And we are flesh and blood disintegrate
With no more to hate
Silk Spectre (the mommy)

Is it bright where you are
Have the people changed
Does it make you happy you're so strange
Manhattan, Comedian

And in your darkest hour
I hold secrets flame
We can watch the world devoured in its pain
Adrian Veidt

Delivered from the blast
The last of a line of lasts
Could be all of them but I'd like to think the Comedian

And I am a master of a nothing place
Of recoil and grace
Rorschach again

And now the kingdom comes
Crashing down undone
And I am a master of a nothing place
Of recoil and grace
Veidt, after he lets loose the squid and Manhattan walks out on his question

Time has stopped before us
Manhattan

The sky cannot ignore us
Rorschach

No one can separate us
For we are all that is left
Night Owl/Silk Spectre

The echo bounces off me
Veidt

The shadow lost beside me
Comedian

Now I feel like a dirty fanboy.
 
Umm yeah... the song was created for Batman & Robin... but hey, you can drown in your fanboy drool :P

Anyways, i just just just finished reading Watchmen (7:45am... i know...) and HOLYYY SHIT!!! Truly amazing! Rewatched the trailer and every scene was making me drool! :D
 
rorschach.jpg


Three picachus. The one in the middle is masturbating the other two with each hand.
 
Just finished the book last night. A few thoughts:

Wow, what a ride! I throughly enjoyed the plot, characters, and themes. It's definitely given something for my mind to chew on for the next couple of days.

Rorschach is a really interesting character.
I find it interesting that while he supports the dropping of the atomic bomb that kills many in order to stop World War II, he's against a psychic blast that takes many lives in order to stop an impending war.

I have faith Zack will adapt the book well, I'm curious how a couple of scenes will turn out.
Jon's alone time on Mars seems like it will be hard to pull off. I'm guessing that many of the newsstand guy's scenes will be removed from the theatrical release (They better throw them into the DVD and Blu-ray release!).
 
digital said:
Just finished the book last night. A few thoughts:

Wow, what a ride! I throughly enjoyed the plot, characters, and themes. It's definitely given something for my mind to chew on for the next couple of days.

Rorschach is a really interesting character.
I find it interesting that while he supports the dropping of the atomic bomb that kills many in order to stop World War II, he's against a psychic blast that takes many lives in order to stop an impending war.

I have faith Zack will adapt the book well, I'm curious how a couple of scenes will turn out.
Jon's alone time on Mars seems like it will be hard to pull off. I'm guessing that many of the newsstand guy's scenes will be removed from the theatrical release (They better throw them into the DVD and Blu-ray release!).
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From what I understand, they are filming the interactions between the two Bernard's so that down the line they can fully incorporate the Black Freighter into the movie for a Director's Cut version.

Not sure if you've seen this, gives me hope that Snyder is using the comic as a storyboard and isn't butchering Moore's vision

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/watchmennewsstand.jpg

Agreed about Jon's scene on Mars, the continuity there might be a problem, but I guess rather than the voice-over and the jumping back and forth through time, they'll probably have it play out as a single flashback. But then most of the flashbacks in the comic are probably going to pose a problem since I think some people are going to have trouble keeping up with all the character's back stories.... the scene at the funeral where Jon, Dan and Adrian are all recalling past events springs to mind.
 
sionyboy said:
Agreed about Jon's scene on Mars, the continuity there might be a problem, but I guess rather than the voice-over and the jumping back and forth through time, they'll probably have it play out as a single flashback. But then most of the flashbacks in the comic are probably going to pose a problem since I think some people are going to have trouble keeping up with all the character's back stories.... the scene at the funeral where Jon, Dan and Adrian are all recalling past events springs to mind.
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If they handled Jon's sequence like (LOST spolier)
Desmond in the Constant episode (as far as editing goes),
I think the audience could follow it pretty well. Keeping the voice over would also help immensely in making it all coherent.
 
The scene that I'm looking forward to the most is the chapter where
Rorschach is being treated by the therapist and his past/why he became such a psycho is illuminated. Rorschach really is the most interesting character by far, at least in my opinion. If they're able to keep the small subplot about Rorschach destroying his therapist's marriage, I'll be a happy boy.
 
Grizzlyjin said:
Because of 300? The original comic ain't Shakespeare, that's for damn sure. :lol

The biggest projects he has directed so far is 300 and the new Dawn of the Dead. I'm just so sick of people complaining about him when it isn't like he has some long history of making terrible movies, like say Uwe Boll. 300 was brainless, but it's not the worse movie on the planet. Snyder stuck close to the spirit of the source matieral, and added a brief side story to pad out the script. So what exactly did he do wrong?

Sounds to me like you're just hatin' for the sake of hatin'
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His work is direct and artless. Watchmen is subtle and character driven. 300 was up his alley because it was shallow.
You proved my point within your post.
GAF will love it because GAF likes a lot of shitty movies. Watchmen deserves better. I hope its good, but Zach Snyder is a bad choice to direct this.

I think 300 and the Dawn remake were okay.
The source material here is vastly different. Alan Moore is not Frank Milller.
agrajag said:
I can't unsee it!
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me neither:lol
 
I would seriously scream in the theatre if the ending is changed... Seriously, Avoid the opening night show at Toronto's Paramount theatre if the ending is changed cause I'll be the one screaming "WHYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! FUCKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!"
 
Received my copy of the novel yesterday, and I must say, it's an excellent read. I totally love how the Comedian is handled by the writer, his characterisation. So awesome.
Seeing him want to rape the first Silk Spectre and then getting caught by the Hooded Justice saying: 'you vicious little son of a bitch'. So awesome. And the Comedian shooting that woman who carried his child.
My god. What a horrible man, but what an awesome character.
 
Tr4nce said:
Received my copy of the novel yesterday, and I must say, it's an excellent read. I totally love how the Comedian is handled by the writer, his characterisation. So awesome.
Seeing him want to rape the first Silk Spectre and then getting caught by the Hooded Justice saying: 'you vicious little son of a bitch'. So awesome. And the Comedian shooting that woman who carried his child.
My god. What a horrible man, but what an awesome character.
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Keep on reading, you will shit bricks. :lol
 
Started Watchmen, 11 P.M., Saturday.

Finished Watchmen 9 A.M., Sunday.

So good. So god damn good.

There is no way they are fitting this into a movie.

Not enough action. Butchering imminent.
 
Just finished the novel yesterday. It's amusing going back through this thread and reading all of the posts from people hating on the trailer. That being said; the whole time I was reading the novel I kept asking myself how the hell this would work in the film medium.

The Wikipedia entry is surprising since the person that wrote the page completely missed the "RR" reference at the end of the novel (hint: it's not Reagan; the book says who it is on the very same page). Then again, I noticed a chronological typo in the book about Rorschach's past (
Can't remember it exactly, but in one of the documents at the end of his chapter they have the wrong date for his "Dream" paper he wrote as a kid
)
 
Just finished 'Watchmen' and I really, really liked it. My first graphic novel. I absolutely loved the characters and the story. I wish I had seen more of Rorscach and Ozy though, such great characters. Rorschach is the bomb. I loved the ending. I'm curious about how Snyder is going to make a decent film out of it, because frankly, there is too little action in the novel. I also have question about The Nite Owl in the trailer. In one scene we see landing on the ground, like he came from the air, then crouching and making a pose, but I can't recall where that happens in the novel? Where does that happen? Also, the part where you see Nite Owl screaming in the trailer, it's not in the novel right?
The background looks white in the trailer when that happens, so I think it happens when Rorschach and Nite Owl visit Ozy in the end?
 
Tr4nce said:
Also, the part where you see Nite Owl screaming in the trailer, it's not in the novel right?
The background looks white in the trailer when that happens, so I think it happens when Rorschach and Nite Owl visit Ozy in the end?
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No, it's not in the novel, but it's likely there to add a more emotional impact to
Rorschach's death
.
 
Im half way through the Graphical Nove and In engrossed in the story. But I dont see the movie doing well if the stick close to the graphic novel. There is no way the casual movie going crowd will be down for a story about heroes who arent really super.

All the production value will go for nothing once people realize that these heroes have serious serious psych issues.

I think this would do better as an HBO special or something.

Im still going to watch day one.....just with out my wife.

All of the Black Frieghter parts should be animated........That would kick ass
 
Staccat0 said:
His work is direct and artless. Watchmen is subtle and character driven. 300 was up his alley because it was shallow.
You proved my point within your post.
GAF will love it because GAF likes a lot of shitty movies. Watchmen deserves better. I hope its good, but Zach Snyder is a bad choice to direct this.

I think 300 and the Dawn remake were okay.
The source material here is vastly different. Alan Moore is not Frank Milller.
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I hesitate to use the word shallow. I mean is it shallow? Yes. But it also indulges in using big and over the top conventions because it's trying to communicate incredibly base brutality and honor. In other words, it's trying to be as visceral as possible. I'll admit that it could be stupid from time to time, especially as it pertains to the dialog, but I think that it separates itself from other wholly stupid works in a few distinct ways. 300 didn't just have great art. It had great imagery that was communicative. It also didn't bother with any sort of plot. It was a simple story about survival, and it was the movie's mission to bring that feeling to life in the most base way possible.

Of course Watchmen is the very opposite of that, but it also has a very different source material to draw from. I don't subscribe to a line of thinking that goes "Snyder hasn't done it yet, therefore we have no indication of how it will turn out". I think that's untrue. What I am saying is that Snyder has only done a handful of things, and when it comes to adaptations, directors can adapt themselves in different ways, and the movie itself can turn out different from any other movie said director has done. Right now I remain cautiously optimistic.

I am most interested in the script. I'm two chapters from the end of the graphic novel right now, and the thing that stands out most is its structure. The comic is quite complex. Situations are not grouped together by chronological order; sometimes they will retell events from different perspectives. And some things in the comic are in there for thematic purposes only. I wonder if they'll try to streamline it a bit. The comic really tells things by chapters, and I know that some movies have tried that (Kill Bill I believe).
 
LiveWire said:
No, it's not in the novel, but it's likely there to add a more emotional impact to
Rorschach's death
.
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Yes, I also thought of that. By the way, the part we are talking about: I had hoped it would be in the novel, because I swaw the trailer first and then started reading the novel. Also, that Minutemen picture from the movie is awesome.
Captain Metropolis and The Hooded Justice having a gay relationship was also a cool twist to the story.
. God this novel rocks. So many awesome moments. Rorschach for the win. What a great character. Especially that one part with the toilet. My god. I hope the movie is going to rock.
 
shagg_187 said:
Umm yeah... the song was created for Batman & Robin... but hey, you can drown in your fanboy drool :P
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I thought the song was just redone for Batman and Robin (The Beginning is the End is the Beginning), but using the same lyrics it originally had (The End is the Beginning is the End).
 
Watchmen Video Journal #6:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUolunVkg_g

Some great new behind the scenes footage.
Rorschach cracking digits, Billy Crudup in the goofy blue suit, and a much better look at Dan Dreiberg (not all that chubby from what I see)
.
 
antispin said:
I usually don't do this, but how can you make a movie out of this book? Of all the books to adapt, this one makes the least sense. It's built for the medium. The sheer layers! WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE LAYERS! It simply doesn't suit a linear, one-dimensional (in terms of presentation) medium.

BUT: The trailer looked good. Costumes captured well, nice casting and the bloody song that seems written for the Watchmen. I don't quite see the world captured in all its grit and its claustrophobic setting but hey, early days right?

Damn the song fits the characters like a glove...

SPOILERSZZZZZZZZZ:

Now I feel like a dirty fanboy.
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:lol
 
I'm convinced they put so much effort visually to replicate perfectly the visual of the book but the story might get changed for the worse.

Seriously, I'd be the first to be happy if it turns out great, but I get the feeling that they try to emphasize in every media piece that they've put all the details, even that little poster in the background in frame 5 of page 103 but they'll miss the points of certain dialogue sets or sub-scenarios that made Watchmen what it is.
 
If anyone still needs help in placing Rorschach and Manhattan's personalities without having read the book, there's a bit of a quick shorthand:

1. Rorschach was based on The Question, and Doctor Manhattan on Captain Atom. However..
2. Moore changed them a lot, however..
3. JLU actually added a lot of Manhattan and Rorschach into The Question and Captain Atom.

If you take them and make Atom more impassive and uncaring, and just extrapolate The Question during the "Luthor is going to kill the Flash" arc a few steps, you'll hit it pretty close.

Of particular note, the scene where The Question mentions he "looks through everyone's trash", and the scene where Huntress notes the Question's lack of recent bathing.

Basically they combined the comic Question with Rorschach to get the JLU question. It's kind of interesting, really.
 
So I just started reading the Watchman graphic novel for the 1st time, just start chapter III. It's pretty intriguing so far, I like what i've read.


After watching the trailer again after starting the novel, I noticed somebody getting thrown a window during daytime. I'm assuming this is The Comedian?

How much are they going to change from the novel, or is this going to be like a 3 hour word for word homage to the novel?
 
dankir said:
So I just started reading the Watchman graphic novel for the 1st time, just start chapter III. It's pretty intriguing so far, I like what i've read.


After watching the trailer again after starting the novel, I noticed somebody getting thrown a window during daytime. I'm assuming this is The Comedian?

How much are they going to change from the novel, or is this going to be like a 3 hour word for word homage to the novel?
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Pretty sure that scene in the trailer takes place at night.

According to various sources, they're sticking pretty damn close to the GN; however, a lot of things will likely get cut. We've also heard conflicting reports that the biggest change might involve how they handle certain elements of the ending, but nothing is conclusive yet.
 
webrunner said:
1. Rorschach was based on The Question
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I'd also say he's got a bit of Mr. A in him. Steve Ditko is a certifiable libertarian crackpot -- you could even sense a bit of his politics in early Spider-man. But The Question and later Mr. A were really emblematic of his fairly black and white, and unflinching belief system.

Rorschach embodies the Ditko view of the world fairly well.
 
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