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beelzebozo said:
full review up on chud
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And how amazing is that? A huge budgeted superhero movie that delivers intellectually? That takes serious, ballsy chances with the form? That isn't giving audience what they expect, and is possibly not giving them what they want? Why, that sounds like a piece of art. A glorious, epic, exciting, mind blowing piece of art.
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Already happened last year lulz.
 
dmshaposv said:
Movies like 300 and Sin City are all style and no substance. Not the absolute worst, but they make for fair entertainment.
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I gotta disagree...I mean, 300 was pretty mindless, but Sin City has some compelling characters and moments.
 
Banana Kid said:
If this keeps up, I'm not sure people can keep hating for much longer.
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I definitely feel my stark hatred for the project ebbing away, but it's not really being replaced by a desire to see the film. I am slowly becoming okay with its existence, which is victory enough.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
I definitely feel my stark hatred for the project ebbing away, but it's not really being replaced by a desire to see the film. I am slowly becoming okay with its existence, which is victory enough.
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I don't get why people are annoyed by things like movies based on books or comics. Even if I see the movie and dislike it, it's not gonna take my enjoyment of the comic away.
 
This is a bit bullshit though:

The same goes for the sex scene in the Owlship. While the book today seems demure about the act, at the time the idea of seeing superheroes doing it was stunning and boundary breaking. Now the sexuality of these types of characters - and the kinkiness at their heart - is old hat. Snyder makes the sex scene graphic and erotic in a way that few films dare to do anymore, and he brings the fetish to the fore. A shot of Silk Spectre's leather boot trailing up Dan's naked thigh and butt will surely trigger a whole new batch of fetishists. Ironically I think this one scene does more for old-fashioned kink than the entire Bettie Page movie from a couple of years ago, and that's more than a little delightful.
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Seems like a whole lot of rationalizing of a script that didn't really get their relationship. But really, that's minor. If people are out to find stuff like that to complain about, I'm sure it'll be there in every other scene, but for the most part it seems like Snyder clearly at least believed he was doing the book justice and did everything he could to carry that out.
 
ItsInMyVeins said:
I don't get why people are annoyed by things like movies based on books or comics. Even if I see the movie and dislike it, it's not gonna take my enjoyment of the comic away.
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Yes it will. The movie will go back in time and rub feces in your face and on the pages while you're trying to read and enjoy the comic.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
This is a bit bullshit though:



Seems like a whole lot of rationalizing of a script that didn't really get their relationship. But really, that's minor. If people are out to find stuff like that to complain about, I'm sure it'll be there in every other scene, but for the most part it seems like Snyder clearly at least believed he was doing the book justice and did everything he could to carry that out.
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Agreed entirely.
 
Shit, just found out that Watchmen has been rated an 18 in the UK ... if you go to BBFC's website they give the reasons as to why it has received this rating (I stopped reading, don't want to spoil too much with so little time to go)

Pretty surprised by that, I wasn't expecting a 12A or anything but it seems the only films that get 18s these days are the slasher-horror stuff and possible semi-pornographic material. I think its going to be a lot more visceral than I was anticipating.
 
ItsInMyVeins said:
Hm? Looks like a random action sequence? What's the beef?
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It was...like...really lame? I'm more interested in/impressed by how Snyder is apparently handling the narrative stuff like Manhattan's origin than scenes in which his proven inability to intrestingly film action sequences once again rises to the forefront.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
It was...like...really lame? I'm more interested in/impressed by how Snyder is apparently handling the narrative stuff like Manhattan's origin than scenes in which his proven inability to intrestingly film action sequences once again rises to the forefront.
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You've got "superheroes" in weird outfits fighting dudes in a jail. How is that supposed to look "cool"? :lol

It looks like a pretty standard hero fight but with some slow motion added on top of that. And I'd say Snyder definitely knows how to film cool action sequences, altough that one isn't particulary interesting.
 
fistfulofmetal said:
love that prison fight fight scene
fucking love it.

when it's kind of slow-mo just before he hits the dude and it speeds up
god
so awesome
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:lol So, you've been sarcastic this entire time.




right?
 
Seriously though, The Dark Knight had a similar looking scene where he's just punching dudes in the beginning though, right?
 
For the record, it's not just the slo mo, it's the bog standard composition that trails them all the way through the prison hallway. There are thousands of interesting and dynamic ways to film that sequence, to communicate on a personal level what it means for them to be kicking people in the face again. Instead, he just pulled the camera way back and dollied down the hall. I know people get down on Greengrass and Nolan getting in too tight during fight sequences, but I find that much more effective when you're dealing with characters and not 2-D punching machines.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
For the record, it's not just the slo mo, it's the bog standard composition that trails them all the way through the prison hallway. There are thousands of interesting and dynamic ways to film that sequence, to communicate on a personal level what it means for them to be kicking people in the face again. Instead, he just pulled the camera way back and dollied down the hall. I know people get down on Greengrass and Nolan getting in too tight during fight sequences, but I find that much more effective when you're dealing with characters and not 2-D punching machines.
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Directing..... serious business.
 
Taste of the banner:

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BenjaminBirdie said:
For the record, it's not just the slo mo, it's the bog standard composition that trails them all the way through the prison hallway. There are thousands of interesting and dynamic ways to film that sequence, to communicate on a personal level what it means for them to be kicking people in the face again. Instead, he just pulled the camera way back and dollied down the hall. I know people get down on Greengrass and Nolan getting in too tight during fight sequences, but I find that much more effective when you're dealing with characters and not 2-D punching machines.
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Dude? You complain about that sequence, how it's not "communicating on a personal level" (what does that even mean in the context of a short action secuence in a prison -- which is taken out of context of the whole movie?), and then pretty much say "zoom in". Hm?

EDIT: I mean, the whole clip feels more like a nod to old school Batman or something, with the two heroes fighting and army of bad guys in a long hallway together. The whole clip is kinda cheesy, starting out right from when they get there, rolling on the ground and flying in.
 
ItsInMyVeins said:
Dude? You complain about that sequence, how it's not "communicating on a personal level" (what does that even mean in the context of a short action secuence in a prison -- which is taken out of context of the whole movie?), and then pretty much say "zoom in". Hm?
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It's a pretty simple idea. This is a big moment for the characters in the book. It would be pretty easy cinematically to communicate this in ways similar to the ones I mentioned. "Zoom In"? No. I'm not talking about "Manhattan Murder Mystery". I cited two directors who are expert at the technique, not Woody Allen filming a restaurant establishing shot with Alan Alda.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
For the record, it's not just the slo mo, it's the bog standard composition that trails them all the way through the prison hallway. There are thousands of interesting and dynamic ways to film that sequence, to communicate on a personal level what it means for them to be kicking people in the face again. Instead, he just pulled the camera way back and dollied down the hall. I know people get down on Greengrass and Nolan getting in too tight during fight sequences, but I find that much more effective when you're dealing with characters and not 2-D punching machines.
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I was thinking about this sequence being films like the hallway fight in Oldboy, with the two heroes fighting in one long steady shot.

PS. that music is so lame.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
It's a pretty simple idea. This is a big moment for the characters in the book. It would be pretty easy cinematically to communicate this in ways similar to the ones I mentioned. "Zoom In"? No. I'm not talking about "Manhattan Murder Mystery". I cited two directors who are expert at the technique, not Woody Allen filming a restaurant establishing shot with Alan Alda.
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Greengrass mainly makes clips feel chaotic and hectic. I don't know if I think Nolans action sequences are particulary outstanding either, actually. I'm not saying they're bad -- I like them both.

And I think the Watchmen clip communicates that cheesy 80's superheroes vibe (or just "heroes" I guess) perfectly with that clip.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Looks like a lot of people here are only reading the posts of mine that they disagree with instead of all of them.
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It was directed at "a lot of people", not you specifically; hence the "a lot of people".
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
For the record, it's not just the slo mo, it's the bog standard composition that trails them all the way through the prison hallway. There are thousands of interesting and dynamic ways to film that sequence, to communicate on a personal level what it means for them to be kicking people in the face again. Instead, he just pulled the camera way back and dollied down the hall. I know people get down on Greengrass and Nolan getting in too tight during fight sequences, but I find that much more effective when you're dealing with characters and not 2-D punching machines.
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There's nothing effective about how Greengrass films action sequences.
 
ItsInMyVeins said:
Greengrass mainly makes clips feel chaotic and hectic. I don't know if I think Nolans action sequences are particulary outstanding either, actually. I'm not saying they're bad -- I like them both.

And I think the Watchmen clip communicates that cheesy 80's superheroes vibe (or just "heroes" I guess) perfectly with that clip.
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Which, naturally only going by the original text, was never present in that scene. It's okay for 90 seconds of the movie to be lame. There doesn't need to be a justification for it. It's entirely possible that they just ran out of time that day and had something more interesting planned. Or any number of reasons. Maybe he thought that was the way to go. The "cheesy 80's superheroes vibe" is just another way of saying "this ninety seconds is totally lame", if he did it on purpose, fine.
 
Blader5489 said:
There's nothing effective about how Greengrass films action sequences.
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I disagree.

polyh3dron said:
It was directed at "a lot of people", not you specifically; hence the "a lot of people".
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Pretty much the reason saying stuff like that in a thread where several people post is rarely the best way to get your point across. I, for example, usually enjoy quoting posts and responding to them directly. It avoids confusion.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Which, naturally only going by the original text, was never present in that scene. It's okay for 90 seconds of the movie to be lame. There doesn't need to be a justification for it. It's entirely possible that they just ran out of time that day and had something more interesting planned. Or any number of reasons. Maybe he thought that was the way to go. The "cheesy 80's superheroes vibe" is just another way of saying "this ninety seconds is totally lame", if he did it on purpose, fine.
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No, but this is a movie and not a comic. Like you said, there are various possible reasons for that. Or to put it short; it's Snyders take on Watchmen as a movie.

Honestly, I think most Superhero stuff in movies looks cheesy. It's one thing in a comic, but once you actually see a dude dressed up in those outfits it's always gonna look a bit cheesy.

No, I don't think that clip is cool. I think it's kinda cheesy. Downright bad, though? No. I think you can find almost as cheesy clips in pretty much every superhero movie.
 
dmshaposv said:
Movies like 300 and Sin City are all style and no substance. Not the absolute worst, but they make for fair entertainment.
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In Sin City's case if by "all style and no substance" you mean a great noir crime drama with interesting characters and some of the best performances in recent history then yeah.
 
beelzebozo said:
at least if greengrass had filmed that hallway scene we wouldn't have been able to see that awful smile
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Yeah, I know, that's one of the things making me think (or hope) it's some kinda homage to cheesy 80's stuff :lol

(But it's probably not :O.)
 
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