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No, Ozymandias is nothing like Batman. His outfit in the comic looks sort of cheesy and homoerotic because it takes places in the 80s. BUT, the Batman Forever outfit is really pushing it. Reallllly pushing it.Marconelly said:
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Anasui Kishibe said:
seriously, this sucks
I've got the same opinion about it, but once I think about the influence of Egyptian culture that he so revered, kinda makes sense if you look at some of the basalt statues they had . Suit almost symbolizes immortality like the ageless art...except the musculature and the blatant nipple-rip that Snyder parodied from Schumacher's Batman...is still ridiculous.
Ignatz Mouse
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pje122 said:
Boy do you not know me.
CajoleJuice
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Wrong.pje122 said:
beelzebozo
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stop being a presumptuous dope.
Ignatz Mouse
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Without a doubt Watchmen is the comics work that I know best, and it's arguably my favorite, but I'd take issue with calling it the best comic ever written. I can think of a few that beat it, including Moore's own From Hell*.
* Although the movie was entertaining, it really has little to do with the comic.
* Although the movie was entertaining, it really has little to do with the comic.
Greatness Gone
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I agree with the bolded.pje122 said:
â Narayan
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OKAY. YEAH. OKAY.
I saw the preview a couple moments ago, when I watched The Dark Knight.
YEAH.
HOOOOOLY FUCKING SHIT.
I saw the preview a couple moments ago, when I watched The Dark Knight.
YEAH.
HOOOOOLY FUCKING SHIT.
GalacticAE
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I wonder how Snyder is going to do chapter IV. That whole chapter was perfect in comic form. It might be a little too jumpy in the cinematic version if it's edited like the comic. I don't think that chapter can translate well in a movie.
While its probably true that I would hate any movie based on this comic, does anyone else think its tragic that Zack Snyder is the one to helm this one?
His last film, 300, was all style, no substance.
Whereas the the Watchmen graphic novel is all substance, with much less what people would consider style (style in the sense of flashy over the top action like there was in 300).
His last film, 300, was all style, no substance.
Whereas the the Watchmen graphic novel is all substance, with much less what people would consider style (style in the sense of flashy over the top action like there was in 300).
Haha. Alright, I apologize; I'm actually a pretty laid-back guy. This trailer just elicited such an extreme reaction out of me. It gives such a false impression of what the Watchmen is to someone unfamiliar with the comic. The Watchmen has superheros in it, but it really cannot be lumped into what most would think of when they hear of a superhero comic or a superhero movie. Its not like Spiderman or Batman or anything like that. Its truly is much deeper, and this movie seems to be very shallow if you look at the evidence of both this trailer and the director's past works.beelzebozo said:
beelzebozo
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pje122 said:
. . . like 300 the comic. and most of frank miller's work, though i do enjoy some of it for what it is. but to say he's working with equal source material here is misleading--he's got a lot of great stuff to work with, and even if he sticks very closely to what the comic has to say and plays it safe, it could be a pretty nice film.
Ignatz Mouse
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pje122 said:
Watchmen has so little action in it, it would appear (to me) that they tried to put as much of that into the trailer as possible.
They haven't removed the Mars episode, since it's right there, so I doubt they're completely dumbing this down. And I know they filmed (and wanted to include) the Black Freighter, so that also gives me a little more faith.
As far as 300 goes-- yes, it was all style over substance, but so was the source material. Who knows how Snyder will tackle Watchmen, really, other than this trailer and a bit of blogging to show us that at least he's including stuff we thought might get changed or removed.
I didn't really like 300 and there are elements of the visual style I strongly dislike here as well-- and yet, again-- there's also an effort to show that they mean to include as much of the novel as they can.
The trailer is all flash and no substance, but it's also a trailer. I don't think Jon musing on the nature of god, alone on Mars, would make a compelling movie trailer. Instead, they went broad with a smattering of everything and a focus on action (what little there is).
To me, the true test will be whether or not he turns the standard superhero tropes on their head, ala the fire rescue scene-- completely unexciting and somewhat awkward in the comic.
Ignatz Mouse said:
Good points. You're not as cynical as I am. Although the reason I am cynical is because I don't have much confidence in Snyder.
And REALLY, they're including the Black Freighter?? I could be totally wrong, but that part of the story definitely seems like something that would be cut. It can't be an eight hour movie.
I guess part of the reason I'm bearish on this whole project is because the novel was already so perfect in my opinion and I don't really see the point in this movie at all (other than for financial reasons for the studio). Some things just don't translate well to other mediums, and I honestly can't see how this movie will work without losing so, so much in the process.
Ignatz Mouse
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The Black Frieghter was filmed but had to be cut, and a longer cut for home release is expected.
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=45439
and I didn't know they were making 12 of these...
beelzebozo
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Costanza said:
that's AWESOME
thanks, can'tstandya!
Ignatz Mouse
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Costanza said:
That's very cool.
re: the Motion Comic-- I didn't like it much.
God dammit, are they really showing this trailer before The Dark Knight?
I'm going to have to give it the shut my eyes, cover my ears, LALALA treatment.
I'm going to have to give it the shut my eyes, cover my ears, LALALA treatment.
Or maybe I'll just watch it this time, THEN stop watching trailers until it comes out. I CAN QUIT ANY TIME I WANT.
This looks like it will be a mighty entertaining film but not a true adaptation. That's understandable. Just look at what they're doing in order to bring the whole experience into play: movie, animated cartoon, slide webisodes - even if each one is very good it's a mess of material compared to a single sleek picture book.
Changes to the original could work in the movies favour as well, much like the changes in the Lord of the Rings trilogy made them better movies. Moore's story was on the cutting edge for it's day and while the themes may remain timeless an update is needed in order for it to resonate with the audience. Snyder said he changed the "catastrophy" and I'm curious to see what it is because, quite frankly, I always thought what Moore originally wrote was bizarre to the point of distraction.
It's going to be nice to see heroes outside the regular Marvel/DC Universe for a change. Hellboy flicks are especially interesting just for that fact alone. I think Nite Owl's costume is even better than the comic and I'm quite impressed with Doc Manhattan.
Looking forward to it.
Changes to the original could work in the movies favour as well, much like the changes in the Lord of the Rings trilogy made them better movies. Moore's story was on the cutting edge for it's day and while the themes may remain timeless an update is needed in order for it to resonate with the audience. Snyder said he changed the "catastrophy" and I'm curious to see what it is because, quite frankly, I always thought what Moore originally wrote was bizarre to the point of distraction.
It's going to be nice to see heroes outside the regular Marvel/DC Universe for a change. Hellboy flicks are especially interesting just for that fact alone. I think Nite Owl's costume is even better than the comic and I'm quite impressed with Doc Manhattan.
Looking forward to it.
my name is ed
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Is it possible all the slow motion was done for the trailer? The trailer didnt really show any plot so it could have been done to get the general public's interest in it.
JzeroT1437
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Visually, this looks stunning and matches up with the book pretty perfectly.
I wonder if he's going to stray from the source at all, or pull a Sin City and make an animated, live-action version of an illustrated comic.
I really disliked Sin City--and seem to be one of the few that do-- because it was nothing but a play by play live action version of the comic. I don't know how I'd feel about that with Watchmen; part of making a film is making the work your own and redefining and revising the source material for the present. If it's completely by the numbers, it might as well had been made by bored teens with a handcam or not been made at all.
Then again, Watchmen was really, really good...
I wonder if he's going to stray from the source at all, or pull a Sin City and make an animated, live-action version of an illustrated comic.
I really disliked Sin City--and seem to be one of the few that do-- because it was nothing but a play by play live action version of the comic. I don't know how I'd feel about that with Watchmen; part of making a film is making the work your own and redefining and revising the source material for the present. If it's completely by the numbers, it might as well had been made by bored teens with a handcam or not been made at all.
Then again, Watchmen was really, really good...
BenjaminBirdie
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pje122 said:
I'll get you a gun from Mister Graves. You won't run into any trouble.
Seriously. They snookered everyone by grabbing the most iconic shots from the book but that shot of the Comedian at war shows how truly shitty this movie is going to end up.
Two tons of shit in a one ton, CGI bag.
I think it looks pretty good. The thing is , this film will change and cut portions of the book it has no choice, things that work in print don't always translate to film easily. 300 worked because it was basically a storyboard to begin with .. watchmen is more a novel then a graphic novel in many ways so adapting it for film is closer to adapting a book. This also isn't batman where you can just take some rough origin story and add a couple rogues from the gallery and you have a movie. There is only 1 watchmen book and only so many ways you could alter the source and still have it be watchmen.
I haven't read the book in awhile either so I suspect I'll get more enjoyment out of the film then someone who read it last week.
I haven't read the book in awhile either so I suspect I'll get more enjoyment out of the film then someone who read it last week.
nakedsushi
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I wonder if they're going to put any of the pirate story in and how they're going to make that tie into the movie.
AlternativeUlster
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Ignatz Mouse said:One more....
:lol
Damn, that is great.
nakedsushi said:
It is getting its own direct to DVD movie and when the Watchmen comes to DVD, there is going to be a 4 plus hour cut of the film that includes both.
EDIT: Read the damn thread dudes.
Anasui Kishibe
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Speculator said:(hope linked image is alright, pm if not)
I've got the same opinion about it, but once I think about the influence of Egyptian culture that he so revered, kinda makes sense if you look at some of the basalt statues they had . Suit almost symbolizes immortality like the ageless art...except the musculature and the blatant nipple-rip that Snyder parodied from Schumacher's Batman...is still ridiculous.
but where's the suaveness? where's Veidt's immense ego symbolized by a golden suit, and the fact his head is at the center of a circle symbolizing the sun? This imagery, which fits the character SO well, has completely been erased and replaced with regular palookahero costume. Vedit doesn't look like a man among men here, just like another Bruce Wayne
CajoleJuice said:
true. Nothing compares to Moore's writing in this novel. Perhaps only From Hell. Watchmen is the best comic book ever written
Ignatz Mouse said:
I agree 100%. I'm convinced that Snyder will be Snyder and movie will be just another 300, but if the fact they're putting all the action in the trailer is true and movie will at least even remotely resemble the pacing, the pondering nature of the comic book and will definitely show respect to the source material, I'm willing to give it a chance. It won't change my mind about butchering Watchmen to a two hours movie being one of the worst ideas ever, but it will at least have its dignity
Alright, last time there was a Watchmen thread I was convinced to pick it up. I hadnt got around to reading it but today I read the first part. And I really, really, like it. A lot.
Question-what is Rorsshactloctacok's(sp?) power? Wiki says that most of these character dont have traditional powers, so what kind of powers are they?
I am loving the book/series.
Question-what is Rorsshactloctacok's(sp?) power? Wiki says that most of these character dont have traditional powers, so what kind of powers are they?
I am loving the book/series.
GalacticAE
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gdt5016 said:
No one has powers save for Dr. Manhattan. It's explained in a later chapter what this means for him, masked vigilantes, and world politics. It's interesting.
BenjaminBirdie
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Dan said:
There are Watchmen fanboys?
I guess there were just 300 diehard fanboys who thought the movie was overblown ridiculous shlock. Not people with objective opinions of cinema. Just fanboys of comics like 300 and Watchmen.
AlternativeUlster
Absolutely pathetic part deux
Oh, I think the trailer is great but I wished that they didn't use that Smashing Pumpkins song or I wish they used one that didn't have the vocals in it. It was fitting but man, Billy Corgain in 2008, do we need it?
Anasui Kishibe said:
You say this as if the costume in the comic would actually look, I dunno, GOOD when rendered in real-life. I don't think I've seen such pretentious and annoying costume critique from comic nerds since the first shots of the X-Men costumes came out. "He should be maroon and have the huge face shield, rawwwwwwwrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Every time I read the actual Watchmen comic the one thing that strikes me about the visual design is that all the characters have pretty crappy looking costumes to begin with. They're corny and ridiculous, and it's a testament to the egos of all the characters involved in the field of costumed heroes that they can stand to where the damn things. I've never read the book and thought that people in the world of the comic ever actually thought the character's costumes were "cool" or even looked good.
There's plenty of characterization in Ozy to let you know about his ego and his neurosis, and I agree with the post above, the movie costume really does echo the statues of the era with which he is fascinated.
It's a trailer, I think it looks stunning, and I'm willing to reserve judgment until I see some reviews that actually include comments about the script. The only real critique I can understand is the slow-motion one, I do hope Snyder tones it down, I don't remember a ton of it in "Dawn of the Dead" so hopefully it's not ingrained in his style at this point.
Anasui Kishibe
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teiresias said:
where did I say the original costumes would have worked in the movie? I don't think they would. But why do we have to have 1) campy costumes and 2) boring black costumes that look good in movies, but are cliched as hell? Why couldn't they put more work in actually rehashing Ozy's original look and upgrade it in a way it wouldn't look like another Batman bullshit?
No, they went down the fast road and as a result, his costume sucks.
and the X-Men ones sucked as well. It was obviously impossible to put those flashy things in the movie, but they coulda at least put some reference to the old costumes, thus not making them all look like soldiers or clones
but since you can't understand this kind of pretentious ranting, let's get over it
BenjaminBirdie
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Solo said:
There is hope.
I really can't see this crossing over significantly. They clearly tried to evolve the look (especially the costumes which in the comic look lame and terrible for a reason) but not enough to make it not look like the cast-offs outside Joel Schumacher's Costumeporium.
So, for starters, everyone looks lame. (Except Doc and Rorschach, because, well, you can't fuck those up.) In addition, I really don't think the primary color juxtaposition of the book in terms of themes and costumes and characters and everything is going to translate in such a condensed form. The problem, like so many comic movies, is they're being almost too literal, and it falls flat.
The reason a movie like The Dark Knight is so successful is because it adapts the core concept of Batman into something that works as an actual film. Visually, thematically, storywise, etc.
Now, of course, at this point all we have to go on is the visuals and kinetic approach to the filmmaking, but those are clearly stuck in the limbo between trying to stay true to the source material and trying to find something that actually works as film because, newsflash, two different mediums.
Again, that one shot of the Comedian at war is just flat and ridiculous in all the wrong ways. I'm not saying Snyder doesn't get it. I'm sure he has an enormous amount of reverence to the source material (obviously).
Unfortunately it's the source material itself and its inherent existence and functionality as a comic book, that is getting in his way.
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They only played the Watchmen trailer at my imax showing at it blew the place up.Solo said:
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