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Yeah, I've been pretty open to looking at the various pictures over at superherohype but I think its now time to bury my head in the sand and await the release in 14 freakin' days time.

In the meantime, 'V for Vendetta' and 'League of Extraordinary Gentlemen' arrived today so I've got some Moore to keep me occupied until then. (I also got The Killing Joke, but I've read that before, I just wanted to get my mitts on the re-coloured edition)
 
I was under the impression the bolding is more noticeable in the reprint versus the original.


If that isn't the case, I apologize.
 
What bothers me about the reviews so far have been the fact that the movie either gets flak for straying too far from the novel, or being too similar.

This leads me to think that the negative reviews are just flamebaits, or bitter fanboys of the novel. The positive ones are consistently better written, more informative, and yet manage to be more objective. If anyone thought that their identity was at risk by seeing their obscure graphic novel made into a big Hollywood movie, go eat some dicks. Watchmen is super popular, it has been so for 20 years.
 
DKehoe said:
You are in for a great time, hope you enjoy. Was it just volume one of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen you got?

I just got Volume One, didn't want to splash out for all of them incase it turned out to be as bad as the movie adaptation :p

The re-release of The Killing Joke is fuck awesome as well. Bolland's recolouring turns every frame into a masterpiece.
 
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Why Watchmen Is Doomed To Disappoint


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I don’t know about you, but I’ve been watching these clips Warner Bros. have been putting out, and the whole thing’s just not registering with me. Having read the graphic novel (very recently), I am still reeling from the effects caused by what Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons offer the reader throughout the entire narrative, up to and most definitely including the brilliant finale. By book’s end, there is so much to consider and think about; so much to discuss with your friends.

And why? Because the picture the novel paints, literally (and psychologically), is so vivid and real that it forces the reader to take Watchmen seriously.

Watching these clips, the sense of realism and core message feel lost, or at the very least extremely hollow in comparison. Just a couple of aesthetic questions:

-Why does Rorscach have the Batman growl?

-Why does the Nite Owl’s costume look badass? Did Snyder not remember how raggedy and goofy his costume was in the novel?

-Will Snyder use slow motion in EVERY scene in the film?

The only clip of the four released that really worked for me was the “Rescue” clip, which felt a lot like the novel and recalled much of Gibbons’ original artwork.

Continuing on the plus side of things, I like that they have Matthew Goode playing Ozymandias (a.k.a Adrian Veidt) as a full blown Aryan specimen of beauty and power - essentially the prime example of Hitler’s “superman.” Thinking back to the graphic novel and all of its allusion to the human form and war and the like, it seems like Veidt will be played as the earmark problem/solution, at least on the human scale. So that’s interesting. I cannot wait to witness his monologue at film’s end explaining himself - I think one of the best written parts of the entire novel.

The biggest problem with Watchmen (the film) is the marketing campaign, which most cost nearly as much as the actual film production. This thing is being built up to astronomical proportions, including a July theatrical release of Zack Snyder’s director’s cut.

I mean I swear, if I see “From the visionary director of 300” one more time, I might flip shit. I have got a certain amount of faith in Zack Snyder, but he has yet to prove himself as visionary. I’ve actually got a lot more faith in the casting director Kristy Carlson, citing her mostly pinpoint slection of relatively unknown actors to play the parts (although I’ve got a little problem with the attractive Patrick Wilson as Dreiberg - kind of the same problem I have with the Nite Owl costume now that I’m thinking about it).

At the end of the day, there’s is no doubt in my mind that Watchmen will be at least as good as 300, and certainly as stylish. But, dear God, I hope it’s better than 300, which resonates to me, upon second viewings, more as a drippy painting with a couple of great action sequences and a whole lotta horrible dialogue than a “visionary” accomplishment.

Unfortunately, I do believe Watchmen just may harbor many of the problems 300 had, most directly style over substance. It appears that Snyder and co. are aware of how BIG Watchmen is and are determined to make epic in size, scope and scale. That being said, the best parts of the graphic novel are the subtleties within the BIG message it presents. (SPOILER ALERT IF YOU HAVE NOT READ WATCHMEN) The idea that the inherent violence and selfishness of human nature can never be completely scrubbed out, never remedied, is offered in the final panel of the novel, not to mention the revelation that Rorscach’s journal will be discovered by the seedy journalist’s and possibly exploited.

The alternate history is used to suggest a fickle American people, easily led astray with enough propaganda and spilled blood, a parallel to our time period which SHOULD make this film more than just entertaining, but important as well.

If Snyder has chosen to make Watchmen visually epic at the sacrifice of narrative depth, it will be apparent early on and potentially destroy what at first looked to be a flawless adaptation.

There’s a lot going against Watchmen as the release date draws nearer and nearer. When first writing this, I was going to warn reader not to watch the released clips with fear they would disappoint. But now, as I come to the end, I feel as though you, reader, should probably watch the clips and bask in their overall mediocrity. Perhaps this will bring down the expectation level, and when the film actually comes out it will be just as great as you think it will, because by that time maybe you will think it will just be very good.

Or wait and don’t watch them, and keep the faith. A lot of people liked 300 a lot more than I did. Either way - God speed.

What do you think? Will Watchmen be an overall disappointment? How do you feel about the casting? The slow motion use?
 
my name is ed said:
Im thinking I wont be watching any more scenes or be reading many reviews. For some reason, I feel it will spoil the movie for me.

I wonder how much the weekend gross will be. The alamo drafthouse here in austin sold out two days after having the tickets available.

Um, the one at the Village has tickets available, and that is the smallest one in town. They will do what they did with Batman, keep adding shows until all the theaters are full.
 
He's supposed to sound off-kilter not "bad ass". Like Norman Bates' closing monologue in Psycho.

Hell, Laurie even describes how he talks in the first chapter.
 
StoOgE said:
Um, the one at the Village has tickets available, and that is the smallest one in town. They will do what they did with Batman, keep adding shows until all the theaters are full.
I actually already got tickets right before it sold out. Some of my friends had to go in person to buy them.
 
my name is ed said:
I actually already got tickets right before it sold out. Some of my friends had to go in person to buy them.

Is this the downtown one?

Because I just bought tickets for the Village like 30 minutes ago.

What they normally do is sell out a midnight show, and then add another one the next day. So maybe you just caught it before they added another one.

FWIW, the tickets I got are for the last theater, so it is very near a sell out.

If you haven't done it, get there early. They started seating for Batman at 1030 and it was hard to get 4 seats in a row. Especially since my retard friends all came late. I got there right when seating started, but couldn't go in because I had all the tickets.
 
I think Rorschach's voice and delivery in the motion comic is pretty close to how I originally imagined it. But at the same time, I'm really digging Jackie Earl Haley's interpretation. It's a different angle that I think works just as well. Plus, I can actually understand what he's saying.

It's not as laughably distracting as Baleman. Not even fucking close.
 
Blader5489 said:
I will never understand this complaint.

What did people think Rorschach was supposed to sound like?
I won't understand the complaint because the voice is totally not annoying to begin with.
 
Is it me or is the "Rorshach espace" scene from the appartment was badly choreographed? The SWAT member on his left does fuck all during the whole struggle and he's got Rorshach right front of him with his gun to his head. Blargh.

Based on those scenes, it seems they missed the point of the whole novel. And please, Snyder, no more slo-mo shots. Please. I know you want your movies to be longer, but don't. It's annoying beyond comprehension.
 
Is it me or is the "Rorshach espace" scene from the appartment was badly choreographed? The SWAT member on his left does fuck all during the whole struggle and he's got Rorshach right front of him with his gun to his head. Blargh.

The best thing about being a loner is that you don't have to worry about hurting your friends. The SWAT team does. Did he think he had a clear shot in the two seconds (if that) it took RR to slide out there? Probably not. Also, RR does turn the flamethrower on him. One last thing. This scene has been heavily edited for the Web.

Based on those scenes, it seems they missed the point of the whole novel.

What was the point of the novel, that based on these clips is being missed?
 
Got tickets for the midnight screening at the local theater, and tickets for the IMAX version on the 7th cause it's right next to the St. Pete Times Forum where I'll be taking in a hockey game afterward. :D
 
What?!? There is a July theatrical release of the director's cut? That is fucking news to me Daniel Plainview.

Also, offtopic but doesn't it seem like every Daniel Day Lewis character from a movie is the name of a poster here on GAF? It is freaking me out.
 
DanielPlainview said:
The biggest problem with Watchmen (the film) is the marketing campaign, which most cost nearly as much as the actual film production. This thing is being built up to astronomical proportions, including a July theatrical release of Zack Snyder’s director’s cut.

Citation needed.


I also cannot really fault a studio for wanting a movie to be popular and successful. Sure, you can find issue with labeling Zack Snyder a visionary but he has nothing to do with that and every interview or presentation he's given has made him out to be a really down to earth guy.
 
Ok GAF hates the posting of my website but here it goes, only because people asked:

3.5 Hour Watchmen Director’s Cut DVD/Blu-Ray and Possible Theatrical Release In July


Sorry, the citation link was in the original article, but didn't get transferred over here.


MTV held a preview screening of Watchmen for some 300 viewers recently. Director Zack Snyder did a Q and A after and VH1 was there to report it. Check it out below:
“The director’s cut is three hours and 10 minutes and comes out in July,” Snyder revealed, calling his original edit “considerably more violent than this … and sexier” and explaining that if the movie does well, the director’s cut will get a theatrical release in Los Angeles and New York.

Following that, of course, will be the Watchmen DVD in the fall - which will include what he dubbed a “Crazy Ultimate Freaky Edition” boasting such time-omitted extras as Tales of the Black Freighter, Hollis Mason’s death, more Manhattan moments on Mars and dialogue-heavy scenes with the newsstand-bonding Bernies.
Collider also had a chance to interview Debbie Snyder, wife of Zack and producer of the film. Check it out below:

Collider: What is coming on the DVD? Is there a director’s cut? A separate theatrical cut?

Debbie Snyder: They’re all done because we had to finish them all at the same time. We have the 3 hour director’s cut which will be released at the first release of the DVD…which will probably be around Comic-Con of this year.

Collider: Can I ask you, is there going to be a theatrical cut and a director’s cut on the same DVD or are these separate DVDs?

Debbie: I think on one of them, I don’t know if it’s the Blu-ray, I think it does exist together. But don’t hold me to it. We also did the craziest thing ever called “The In-Movie Experience” for Blu-ray which I’ve never seen before…where Zack actually…it’s like a director’s commentary but it’s him and there are all these boxes and they’ll play the movie and he’ll point to a scene and they’ll deconstruct the scene on all these monitors behind him where you can see the green screen version of it. Or if it’s Dr. Manhattan you can see some great effects. It’s kind of like “Minority Report” as it feels very futuristic. And then there will be, I believe, in the fall the Ultimate Watchmen cut which will have the Black Freighter thread through the film which includes the ins and outs that we shot at the newsstand so that’s pretty fun. And another thing is we finished all the versions and it was an enormous amount of money because of Dr. Manhattan. Because if you think about it, it was an hour difference between the theatrical version, so it’s a lot of visual effects on Dr. Manhattan and we finished it at the same quality so we were really excited that they let us do that.
So the first version of the Watchmen DVD/Blu-ray (featuring the theatrical cut and the 3 hour 10 minute director’s cut) will hit stores in late July, with a possible theatrical release to follow, around the time San Diego Comic Con kicks off. The second version of the DVD/Blu-ray (featuring the director’s cut of the film spliced with the Black Freighter scenes) will hit stores in the fall of 2009, date TBD. Check out all the Black Freighter details here.
 
WyndhamPrice said:
Citation needed.


I also cannot really fault a studio for wanting a movie to be popular and successful. Sure, you can find issue with labeling Zack Snyder a visionary but he has nothing to do with that and every interview or presentation he's given has made him out to be a really down to earth guy.
Zach Snyder talked about it when he announced it would come out on DVD/Blu-Ray in July.
 
Why not just send us the link to VH1 and cut out the middle man Daniel Plainview? Wasn't that Daniel Plainview's philosophy in There Will Be Blood? Way to live up to your username Daniel Plainview.
 
AlternativeUlster said:
Why not just send us the link to VH1 and cut out the middle man Daniel Plainview? Wasn't that Daniel Plainview's philosophy in There Will Be Blood? Way to live up to your username Daniel Plainview.

There was two different sources + different citations so I condensed it to one on my site and cut out all the junk. I just edited the post though and updated it! enjoy :)
 
DanielPlainview said:
What do you think? Will Watchmen be an overall disappointment? How do you feel about the casting? The slow motion use?[/B]

The only reservation I have with this movie is the absolutely retarded abuse of slowmo. Ruined 300 for me, and I fear I will not be able to stand it in this movie either. Some gaffer once dared me to count the amount of uses in the first trailer. Over fucking 20 times just in the trailer.

Zack Snyder really, REALLY needs to stop shooting his films entirely with high speed cameras.
 
Blader5489 said:
I will never understand this complaint.

What did people think Rorschach was supposed to sound like?
Seriously. It fits his character perfectly and the comics went out of their way to make sure you knew he had a distinctive voice when wearing the mask. I suppose you could argue what that voice entailed (I've only actually read Watchmen once, so I may be forgetting any descriptions of it), but c'mon.

DanielPlainview said:
The biggest problem with Watchmen (the film) is the marketing campaign, which most cost nearly as much as the actual film production. This thing is being built up to astronomical proportions, including a July theatrical release of Zack Snyder’s director’s cut.

I mean I swear, if I see “From the visionary director of 300” one more time, I might flip shit. I have got a certain amount of faith in Zack Snyder, but he has yet to prove himself as visionary.
Ugh. Who gives a shit? What does any of that have to do with the content of the film? So some marketing guys decide to call Zack Snyder visionary? Is that seriously going to affect your viewing experience?

Yeah, Warner Bros is building the movie up. That's their job. That doesn't mean you need to consume every ounce of their marketing or believe it or even care.

How the hell can you bitch about the scope of the marketing when you aid it by posting every new image and magazine cover that's released?

Internet fanboy movie site culture is way more to blame for all this shit than some silly line in the promotional materials. It's the incessant combing over every tiny ass detail that starts this nonsense. That's what makes people sick of a movie before it's even been released.

People need to get back to just watching the fucking movies instead of Monday morning quarterbacking everything under the sun about a movie's release eight weeks beforehand.
 
Why is everyone down on this movie all of a sudden? I'm excited as hell to see it. Zack Snyder has probably done an amazing job.
 
Acid08 said:
Why is everyone down on this movie all of a sudden? I'm excited as hell to see it. Zack Snyder has probably done an amazing job.
All of a sudden? If anything, a lot more folks have been willing to give the thing a chance the closer we've gotten to release.
 
jett said:
Uh did I just see Silk Spectre and Nite Owl explode at the end?

dream sequence, but it will probably confuse the hell out of people who have not read the novel. :lol
 
Blader5489 said:
I will never understand this complaint.

What did people think Rorschach was supposed to sound like?

Monotone, cold, deadpan, awkward. Almost like Hannibal Lecter with a deeper voice.

It sounds like he's trying to change his voice here to be more impactful. I've always imagined it like he was emotionally detached when talking about everything.
 
Linkzg said:
Monotone, cold, deadpan, awkward. Almost like Hannibal Lecter with a deeper voice.

It sounds like he's trying to change his voice here to be more impactful. I've always imagined it like he was emotionally detached when talking about everything.


isnt that supposed to be dr. manhattan?
 
Rorschach sounds pretty much how I expected him to. In fact he probably sounds a lot closer to how Alan Moore reads him as well. Search youtube for Rorschach Alan Moore and you'll find a reading that Moore did on a UK tv show recently. In fact Moore reads with even more of a grunt that Haley is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FS60iN0g2I


I'm looking forward to the first meeting of the Crimebusters as its the only time in the comic that Rorschach talks with a normal voice (if the comic font is anything to go by). I always get a laugh out of seeing Rorschach as the voice of reason, I can only imagine him speaking as a Scoutmaster would.
 
Mr. Snrub said:
"I just broke this man's index finger" disagrees with you.

Fuck yeah. Or:

'Visited other bars before this one. May have heard ambulances'.

Or the whole scene with the dogs when Kovacs truly turns into Rorschach. So awesome. Rorshach not a bad ass? Lol. It doesn't get any more bad ass.
 
Tr4nce said:
Fuck yeah. Or:

'Visited other bars before this one. May have heard ambulances'.

Or the whole scene with the dogs when Kovacs truly turns into Rorschach. So awesome. Rorshach not a bad ass? Lol. It doesn't get any more bad ass.

Yeah, makes me wonder what Watchmen he was reading? :lol
 
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