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And on the sixth day the LORD David Bowie created man and woman in His image. And he saw that it was good. On the seventh day the LORD created videogames so that He might take the bloody day off for once.
I've stopped watching the adds since I just want to see the movie at this point...but are you kidding me? These movies has EIGHT TV spots? I though Warner was just going to hype this movie among the geek crowd. I hope if this is another expensive dud like Speed Racer (in terms of ticket sales) it doesn't impact getting the director's cut.Catalix said:
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Tr4nce said:
Word.
Meh, I think the reason Speed Racer bombed was because of the seizure-inducing visuals that were on display in the trailers. It just looked too strange for many people. Not to mention, it was based on a TV show that a lot of people remembered being horribly campy.
Watchmen seems to have everything going right for it as far as box office totals go. It has the director of 300, which people flocked to see. It's positioned in that March timeframe where people are wanting a good movie to come out and are willing to pay for just about anything of decent quality. And it has super heroes. Granted, not many people probably know the whole story behind Watchmen. But perhaps their disappointment over the seriousness of it, because you know there will be people like that, will be rectified with their love of its (hopeful) quality.
Watchmen seems to have everything going right for it as far as box office totals go. It has the director of 300, which people flocked to see. It's positioned in that March timeframe where people are wanting a good movie to come out and are willing to pay for just about anything of decent quality. And it has super heroes. Granted, not many people probably know the whole story behind Watchmen. But perhaps their disappointment over the seriousness of it, because you know there will be people like that, will be rectified with their love of its (hopeful) quality.
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sionyboy said:
Well. I guess that settles it. whiny bitches lose!
Catalix
And on the sixth day the LORD David Bowie created man and woman in His image. And he saw that it was good. On the seventh day the LORD created videogames so that He might take the bloody day off for once.
Yeah, I'm really impressed with the presentation too. Like that whole "Pagliacci" sequence at the end of Chap 2. The music, acting and pacing is very well done.Snaku said:
I'm all caught up to Chap 11 now. Good stuff.
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I don't get why so many people on a very left leaning site like this like Rorschach so much. He's the personification of everything bad about the right wing, and that's what he's meant to be. He uses torture to get information, is convinced sin is going to bring about the end of the world, is a complete conspiracy nut etc, etc. He's a psychopathic right wing character and it's weird to see so many people ignore all the bad about him and call him a badass just because he broke a guys finger and went insane.
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Not everything is black and white. Also, you don't have to agree with someone to think they're a badass.Bpatrol said:
I'm very liberal and Rorschach is by far my favorite character in Watchmen. He had a very troubled childhood and as an adult he's giving a big FORK YOU to the corrupted government by being a Venom-style anti-hero.
I would never break anybody's finger just to get information. I also wouldn't survive on cold beans and sugar cubes. I wouldn't break the law etc etc etc. But I still think Rorschach is a total fucking badass.
Look at all the ass he kicks and he's only 5'6". That's how tall I am and I would never have the balls to walk into a shady bar and start fucking people up :lol
JayDubya said:
This is where we have to disagree. I know
that you think not telling the world what Veidt did is unforgivable.. but I completely disagree. When you see the good that came out of what he did (as horrible as that was) how could you put the world back on the brink of destroying itself? Rorshach only saw the world in absolute terms to a fault. He was going to do what his principles told him was "right" even if the end result would be worse.
I think the characters that tried to stop Adrian but ultimately kept the secret were right. Did they have the power or authority to make that kind of a decision? Probably not. But part of the novels point is there isn't black and white ideas of what is right and what is wrong. There is no hero and there is no true villain, it's all shades of gray. A contrast to most comics that have a good guy and a bad guy and you always know who is who.
I think the characters that tried to stop Adrian but ultimately kept the secret were right. Did they have the power or authority to make that kind of a decision? Probably not. But part of the novels point is there isn't black and white ideas of what is right and what is wrong. There is no hero and there is no true villain, it's all shades of gray. A contrast to most comics that have a good guy and a bad guy and you always know who is who.
Rorschach is however a complete bad ass.
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JayDubya said:
Nite Owl could not have made the same choice Rorshach did, and I don't think it makes him any less a hero.
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suuuuuure.JayDubya said:
If he followed through with telling the world about what Veidt did then the world would be at war again. And he probably did. You're basically saying that the noble means justifies the shitty end.
But yeah, he is badass.
JayDubya said:
Well, at least we can agree that the novel is so well written that people from starkly contrasting political ideologies are able to find characters they can relate to... and the novel has an open enough ending that we are both able to think our "guys" did the right thing.
you should have gone with the latin, it sounds cooler
Edit: This is turning into a poligaf thread. The Libertarians against the rest of GAF :lol
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I don't disagree with this, but what was done was done.JayDubya said:
polyh3dron said:
And because what was done was done, the only way for justice to be done would be if the agent responsible was punished.
Even were it 100% certain that every casualty of the act would have been the casualty of a second, more catastrophic event averted by the first one, the paradigm does not change.
To me, anyway.
It's not as if the moral problem here isn't complicated and people won't disagree. I just don't have a moment's hesitation or conflict on my solution.
Hmm, I have a question for you all. Which (if any) of the main characters did you feel the most sorry for after all was said and done (Veidt, Rorschach, Daniel, Laurie, Jon)?
I think the first one people will veer to, and I as well, is Rorschach. At the very end, it almost seemed to me that
, at least from the way I read it.
I think the first one people will veer to, and I as well, is Rorschach. At the very end, it almost seemed to me that
he wanted to die
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Agreed.JayDubya said:
Veidt was wrong. Veidt must pay.
Luckily, whether he knew it or not, Manhattan gave Veidt some payback at the very end.
Luckily, whether he knew it or not, Manhattan gave Veidt some payback at the very end.
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The Lamonster said:
what happened? i cant remember, and i dont have the comic in front of me.. (my girlfriend stole it from me
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Well technically he only
assaulted Sally Jupiter, and he was defending himself from the Vietnamese woman who stabbed him in the face.
I felt sorry for him because he was the one who
indirectly convinced Ozy to do something about the world's impending doom, and because he could never be a father when for a brief moment he actually showed interest in being one. When Sally put the final nail in that coffin, it's no wonder why he didn't give a shit about the bastard he had with the Vietnamese woman. I think that's the point where he truly became the Comedian, similar to how Kovacs truly became Rorschach after the Blair Roche kidnapping.
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They almost get that right.Catalix said:
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Rorshach's Voice in the motion comic is pretty much perfect he just sound weird in these tvspots to me.
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Not really, Alan Moore isn't a voice actor he's just doing a deeper, quieter more monotone voice, it's no more gruff than he normally is.quadriplegicjon said:Well. I guess that settles it. whiny bitches lose!
Regardless that's only an incidental detail, hell even the portrayal of Veidt is trivial compared to the overall film.
After those short clips, I'm really afraid this is going to fall flat on it's face. Sure, it may miss the whole point and subtext throughout Watchmen, but I worry it's not going to even be a good popcorn flick, rather a schizophrenic, poorly acted and absolutely horribly edited mess (the music, dear god the music). The clips were only 10min, must've been randomly chosen and may work better in context, so please let me be wrong.
JayDubya said:
Rorschach's clinging to justice is comical and absurd when viewed in the light of forces that vastly outstrip his own (i.e. Dr. Manhattan and Veidt).
One of the ants in the anthill clinging to a comforting fiction in the face of things that exceed his comprehension. Sounds like you in any given political thread!
I posited that Rorschach's clinging to moral absolutes was seen as comical and absurd in the face of forces that vastly outstrip his own.
You responded by saying: a person who sees himself as beyond justice is a villain. Which means you've also completely failed to recognize that Veidt is to be understood as beyond that moral framework that labels him as such. You've chosen to not take More at his word when he illustrates Veidt as being more evolved in his thinking then you (or any of us) are.
Of course part of the brilliance of the Watchmen is that you don't necessarily have to recognize Veidt in that way, because Dr. Manhattan puts even Veidt in to proper perspective. Any human, even one who considers himself 'beyond morality' is still a lonely speck of dust operating on concepts that will inevitably fail to encapsulate the forces at work in the universe.
Some people gain some awareness about how absurd simplistic interpretations are in the face of the sublime complexity the world offers (nite owl, silk spectre) and others don't (rorschach, libertarians on the internet).
You responded by saying: a person who sees himself as beyond justice is a villain. Which means you've also completely failed to recognize that Veidt is to be understood as beyond that moral framework that labels him as such. You've chosen to not take More at his word when he illustrates Veidt as being more evolved in his thinking then you (or any of us) are.
Of course part of the brilliance of the Watchmen is that you don't necessarily have to recognize Veidt in that way, because Dr. Manhattan puts even Veidt in to proper perspective. Any human, even one who considers himself 'beyond morality' is still a lonely speck of dust operating on concepts that will inevitably fail to encapsulate the forces at work in the universe.
Some people gain some awareness about how absurd simplistic interpretations are in the face of the sublime complexity the world offers (nite owl, silk spectre) and others don't (rorschach, libertarians on the internet).
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What I liked about the original ending, if I remember it correctly (feel free to step in) is that
The whole Grey Area of the ending was brilliant and I can't help but have the feeling that we'll get a generic Black and White (Pure good VS Pure bad) Hollywood ending as to not scare the general audiences who might have to think when the movie's over.
Veidt was this brilliant individual who even tricked the great Dr. Manhattan and when his plan was over and done, he subtely asked for Manhattan's approval. Manhattan left him on an uncertain note which made Veidt doubteful of his masterpiece.
The whole Grey Area of the ending was brilliant and I can't help but have the feeling that we'll get a generic Black and White (Pure good VS Pure bad) Hollywood ending as to not scare the general audiences who might have to think when the movie's over.
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