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SketchTheArtist
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JayDubya said:
Veidt is suppose to be more intelligent than any other human. If you look at his masterplan, it makes sense for any of us without going more into it but on a longer time-span, as Manhattan told him, it probably won't make a difference.
However, he's not a mere villain as it's probably depicted in the movie. He's an individual who made a bold move to save humanity. That was his plan.
There's really not that much grey area to be had with mass murder. I suppose you could call it "bold" but the general connotation of that term seems quite a bit off when describing, again, mass murder.
However, for the diehard utilitarians in the audience, and that's pretty much what you'd have to be, they didn't go with the ending add-on in the Hayter script, so what grey you relish will still be there.
However, for the diehard utilitarians in the audience, and that's pretty much what you'd have to be, they didn't go with the ending add-on in the Hayter script, so what grey you relish will still be there.
SketchTheArtist
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JayDubya said:
Well, it's still that hard question of "Would you kill thousands to save millions?". We'll see though.
However, THIS shit is exactly what I feared this movie was going for. Completely in the opposite direction of the comic. Instead of quick and dirty, we get uninspired kung-fu non-sense. Argh, I hope there's not too much of it. Boring and badly executed.
DrForester
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SketchTheArtist said:
They put action into one of the books action scenes.
THOSE BASTARDS!
fistfulofmetal
Banned
:lol at Dawn of the Dead 04 and 300 being average.
Man, I love seeing all you whiny babies.
Man, I love seeing all you whiny babies.
fistfulofmetal
Banned
Kastro said:
It was pretty fucking awesome, yeah.
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
DrForester said:
seriously. people are gong over the top with the criticism.
fistfulofmetal said:
didnt you know? popular = trash!
Chipopo said:
I dunno, did we read the same book? Tales of the Black Freighter was pretty symbolic for the entire story, so I thought it was made fairly clear just how permanent and worthy his plans were.
Not that I particularly care about that point anyway: even if he were to totally get away with it without any future hitch, the act was still not morally justifiable.
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
JayDubya said:
yeah. i feel the same way..
especially with rorschach's journal possibly outing the whole plan
Oh. So Tales of the Black Freighter didn't have gray areas? The young mariners intentions were clearly layed out as evil in that story? Was his trying to save the village just a lie from an untrustworthy narrator?
Again, the course of this argument seems to go:
"Veidt is positioned in the novel as the most brilliant human on earth. His thinking transcends our own. We can have no confidence in comprehending, let alone judging, his actions for they exceed our framework of understanding"
"But what he did wasn't moral"
"Veidt's actions supercede our conceptions of morality"
"But what he did wasn't moral!"
I'm sure this could go on for pages.
uh, of course not? Veidt fails for a reason.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Watchmen is so fucking awesome.
That is all.
That is all.
Flesh Into Gear
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Chipopo said:
I dont think thats true at all. Veidt may have thought that though because he saw himself apart from the rest of humanity because of his intellect.
Wikipedia said:
Veidt had good intentions but maybe it was his pride that drove him to think that such an act was morally acceptable while it really wasnt. I mean, the name Ozymandias foreshadows his great plans becoming nothing in the end.
I'm not even entirely sure what we're arguing about
WyndhamPrice
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And therein lies Watchmen's genius: people still have these goddamn debates over and over. The book really needs to wind up in school curriculums, there's so much fodder for discussion there.
I really need to reread it in these 2 weeks before the movie comes out.
Basically yeah
I really need to reread it in these 2 weeks before the movie comes out.
Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
Basically yeah
SpeedingUptoStop
will totally Facebook friend you! *giggle* *LOL*
I consider rorschach a boss because of his dedication to his craft. to hell with his political leanings or whatever, the dude stuck to his guns to the very end. gotta respect the hustle.
polyh3dron
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Your qualms with the movie most likely lie in the graphic novel itself. It was a very faithful adaptation.Kastro said:
And Dawn of the Dead 04 was probably one of the best horror remakes ever, right under John Carpenter's The Thing in my book.
ryutaro's mama
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polyh3dron said:
Co-sign.
That opening alone set an uneasy tone and except for the
"Hey, let's go rescue the dog so we can get kill off some of these unnecessary characters."
Annoying Old Party Man
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In that fan review lie my original fears about the movie.
Trailers and videos presented a faithful but perhaps too stylised version of the graphic novel.
Also, i was worried that Snyder would not be able to make this an emotional movie, he seems pretty incompetent when it comes to scenes that need some emotional depth in them.
I guess we will see.
Trailers and videos presented a faithful but perhaps too stylised version of the graphic novel.
Also, i was worried that Snyder would not be able to make this an emotional movie, he seems pretty incompetent when it comes to scenes that need some emotional depth in them.
I guess we will see.
Ignatz Mouse
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Ozymandias is certainly a villian, but so is Rorschach. He killed a harmless pervert, and was in the habit od doing things like breaking the fingers of people who might have info.
The Elite
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I like how half the people in this thread are marking their spoilers while the other half could care less.
I'm excited to see this movie but the clips so far haven't really sold me on it. I've always felt this should have been done as an HBO/Showtime mini-series. Even the 3 hour plus blu-ray doesn't seem like enough time to convey all the substance of the graphic novel. This is going to be an interesting film to watch either way though.
I'm excited to see this movie but the clips so far haven't really sold me on it. I've always felt this should have been done as an HBO/Showtime mini-series. Even the 3 hour plus blu-ray doesn't seem like enough time to convey all the substance of the graphic novel. This is going to be an interesting film to watch either way though.
SketchTheArtist
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DrForester said:
I don't mind action, but it's suppose to be showed as a sort of realistic-fantasy. Fights are supposed to be raw and brutal, not graceful and choreographed. Especially with Night Owl 2, who's suppose to be in bad shape physically to move like that.
I've been keeping quiet as to not judge it until I haven't seen any scenes from the actual movie but the marketing campaign is in full effect and after seeing some of the results, some of my fears have pretty much materialized.
Sure it looks like Watchmen (they've done an awesome job with the costumes, the backdrops and the overall look), but they've missed the essence that made the story original and interesting.
maximumdayco
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i love how some of you guys are already calling this movie a failure without having seen it yet.
i'd hate to meet some of you guys in real life.
i'd hate to meet some of you guys in real life.
beelzebozo
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That's the thing.
If Veidt's peace lasts, he is a hero. If not, he is a villain.
Go back to the very first entry of Under the Hood. In that entry, Moe Vernon wants to make the world a happier place through his novelty items, including a "fake rubber bosom." To his credit he gets a chuckle out of mailman and everyone else to laugh (as he goes insane) for a little while. When he sees how the world continues to a cruel and terrible place in spite of his actions, he commits suicide.
Likewise, Veidt wants to make the world a happier place with his "fake rubber squid." It remains to be seen if his peace would last.
There are several things to suggest that Veidt's new world would be short-lived. His name comes from the from a Percy Bryce Shelley poem. In the poem, an Egyptian king (Ramses II) talks about how his works would last the test of time. However, his monuments are in ruin. In fact, his works continue to be of note because of the talent of the artists he hired and the Egyptian civilization as a whole rather than his own traits and qualities.
You also have the Tales of the Black Freighter parallel to Veidt with killing innocents (both his artists/scientists and the New Yorkers) in order to stop an inescapable destiny. He talks about how he dreams about swimming towards the Black Freighter in his last conversation with Dr. Manhattan. Furthermore, Dr. Manhattan's final words are that "nothing ever ends" (the doomsday clock itself has reset). The very last panel of Veidt has him in doubt and casting a shadow on the wall (which would suggest doubt is cast on his plan's longevity)
All of this would suggest that Veidt's utopia would eventually fail. In fact, Veidt is killing the people who would help make the world a better place, such as Bernie, Bernard, and Dr. Long. With its nod to the Outer Limits episode, the lesson is that you can't scare everyone into becoming allies with each other (at least for a long time). It would take genuine love and understanding between different people such as with Bernie and Bernard's final moments and Dr. Long's decision (after his harrowing but enlightening meetings with Rorschach) to help people out of selflessness rather than fame.
Go back to the very first entry of Under the Hood. In that entry, Moe Vernon wants to make the world a happier place through his novelty items, including a "fake rubber bosom." To his credit he gets a chuckle out of mailman and everyone else to laugh (as he goes insane) for a little while. When he sees how the world continues to a cruel and terrible place in spite of his actions, he commits suicide.
Likewise, Veidt wants to make the world a happier place with his "fake rubber squid." It remains to be seen if his peace would last.
There are several things to suggest that Veidt's new world would be short-lived. His name comes from the from a Percy Bryce Shelley poem. In the poem, an Egyptian king (Ramses II) talks about how his works would last the test of time. However, his monuments are in ruin. In fact, his works continue to be of note because of the talent of the artists he hired and the Egyptian civilization as a whole rather than his own traits and qualities.
You also have the Tales of the Black Freighter parallel to Veidt with killing innocents (both his artists/scientists and the New Yorkers) in order to stop an inescapable destiny. He talks about how he dreams about swimming towards the Black Freighter in his last conversation with Dr. Manhattan. Furthermore, Dr. Manhattan's final words are that "nothing ever ends" (the doomsday clock itself has reset). The very last panel of Veidt has him in doubt and casting a shadow on the wall (which would suggest doubt is cast on his plan's longevity)
All of this would suggest that Veidt's utopia would eventually fail. In fact, Veidt is killing the people who would help make the world a better place, such as Bernie, Bernard, and Dr. Long. With its nod to the Outer Limits episode, the lesson is that you can't scare everyone into becoming allies with each other (at least for a long time). It would take genuine love and understanding between different people such as with Bernie and Bernard's final moments and Dr. Long's decision (after his harrowing but enlightening meetings with Rorschach) to help people out of selflessness rather than fame.
SketchTheArtist
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Sapiens said:
The way the "heroes" are portrayed in the scenes that were released makes me skeptical.
itsinmyveins
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SketchTheArtist said:
That clip surely takes on a bit of a Hollywood kung-fu shape, which might stand out somewhat from the comic. But even so, I'm thinking that the movie might be better for it. You can't really expect them to do a frame by frame replica of a comic like Watchmen. I mean, a comic and a movie are quite different in regards of pacing and flow and run time, for instance. As long as the movie retains the "spirit" of the comic I'm not gonna complain about them altering some of the scenes or whatever.
SpeedingUptoStop
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Let us know how it is, dude!Zabojnik said:
Will do, but please do not expect impressions with great depth. My english writing skillz are what they are. Rather poor. 
Still, I should be able to express if they managed to capture the multilayered essence of the comic or not. I suppose that's all one can really hope for.
Still, I should be able to express if they managed to capture the multilayered essence of the comic or not. I suppose that's all one can really hope for.Well that, and you know, whether the movie is entertainingZabojnik said:Will do, but please do not expect impressions with great depth. My english writing skillz are what they are. Rather poor.
New iTunes "Exclusive" Rorschach clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnyR10CIDW8
The first scene is apparently heavily edited including some dialog, but the 2nd scene supposedly plays out as is in the film.
You can find it in HD on iTunes under "Watchmen Exclusive Clip".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnyR10CIDW8
The first scene is apparently heavily edited including some dialog, but the 2nd scene supposedly plays out as is in the film.
You can find it in HD on iTunes under "Watchmen Exclusive Clip".
GodfatherX
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so what happened with the Fox legal battle?
I was pretty sure this would be delayed
I was pretty sure this would be delayed
my name is ed
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Its supposed to make you laughneorej said:
Just read the comic and youll understand. One of the best things Ive ever read.
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