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Waypoint: Nintendo Is Failing Its Disabled Fans
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It's a far cry from NCL's response to a blind fan who enjoys Rhythm Heaven.
https://www.polygon.com/2017/5/22/15675630/nintendo-blind-fan-letter-rhythm-heaven
https://www.polygon.com/2017/5/22/15675630/nintendo-blind-fan-letter-rhythm-heaven
Eh......
I think he is grasping at straws here. He had his question answered by them forwarding it to the appropriate people. we don't know if its smoke and mirrors yet.
I for one think its an appropriate response and I feel he is hunting for things to find insensitive or insulting.
Should Nintendo not feel any sense of empathy for his condition? its causing him not to enjoy the games they make. of course they empathetic.
and yes, he has an unfortunate condition. Its unfortunate he has to play with his feet. its unfortunate he cant enjoy the games Nintendo currently has out.
I think he is grasping at straws here. He had his question answered by them forwarding it to the appropriate people. we don't know if its smoke and mirrors yet.
I for one think its an appropriate response and I feel he is hunting for things to find insensitive or insulting.
Should Nintendo not feel any sense of empathy for his condition? its causing him not to enjoy the games they make. of course they empathetic.
and yes, he has an unfortunate condition. Its unfortunate he has to play with his feet. its unfortunate he cant enjoy the games Nintendo currently has out.
fly high ~ayunite~
Member
Is he using the pro controller?
Alex_Mexico
Member
There's no excuse for a lack of button remapping at least on Nintendo's games. System wide remapping is more complex but it should also be done! But this is a company that released Wind Waker HD in 2014 without the option to properly invert the Y axis whole not fucking up the X axis of the camera. I guess hoping to be able to change the run button in BOTW to L3 was too much.
tim_pkmn89
Member
There's always been a disconnect between NoA and NoJ on support issues such as this
The language is really inappropriate from whoever wrote the letter. Nintendo should reach out to this fan to fix this, and make it a point to get this sentiment pushed to NCL for better button mapping options. As the Rhythm Heaven story linked above indicates, Nintendo seems more than willing to be accommodating if it gets to the right people. In general though the button mapping situation should really be improved, whatever companies think about only offering ideal control schemes.
That is a very specific disability!
While full customizable controllers would be ideal, it is also good to remember that 1,2 Switch is an AWESOME game for blind people.
Also full touch screen controles might work for someone like him... i heard great praise for bayonetta 2's touch controlls
And yeah that was not very good wording
While full customizable controllers would be ideal, it is also good to remember that 1,2 Switch is an AWESOME game for blind people.
Also full touch screen controles might work for someone like him... i heard great praise for bayonetta 2's touch controlls
And yeah that was not very good wording
Interface23
Member
Then Nintendo should make it so he can play them, they are the only company that makes it super hard to play their stuff for folks with disabilities as I can play mostly anything on Xbox & Playstation with relative ease.
First thing that came to my mind.
Legit question, because I honestly don't know, but what is bad about 'unfortunate condition'?
Mostly asking because I think I might have used the same phrasing in a similar situation while just trying to be polite and emphatic.
I feel like Nintendo's letter was clearly written with the best intentions, so I don't really understand the problem with that part of it. Happy to learn and have it explained to me though.
Mostly asking because I think I might have used the same phrasing in a similar situation while just trying to be polite and emphatic.
I feel like Nintendo's letter was clearly written with the best intentions, so I don't really understand the problem with that part of it. Happy to learn and have it explained to me though.
Interface23
Member
Eh, it just makes you feel singled out and pitied most of the time. Most disabled folks are trying to be like everyone else and saying that makes them feel lesser and burdened by a condition.
freethoughtbubble
Member
Nintendo really needs to get with the times on this. Imagine how frustrating it would be to not be able to enjoy a game you anticipated for years because the platform holder refuses to implement a design choice that is standard on other platforms. Nintendo are genius game makers, but their insistence that you play their way is stupid.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
I think the letter sender has to appreciate that asking for a feature and demanding a feature are two different things.
Any corporate response to "we want X in this already released game" is going to be met with "thanks for your input, we'll pass it on to the devs, we appreciate the interest." If you press, you're going to get "we have no plans at this time."
Best way to go about this would be to actually get a petition running.
Any corporate response to "we want X in this already released game" is going to be met with "thanks for your input, we'll pass it on to the devs, we appreciate the interest." If you press, you're going to get "we have no plans at this time."
Best way to go about this would be to actually get a petition running.
Yep. Nintendo's insistence in not allowing button remapping in certain games nakes no sense
Linkstrikesback
Member
And my father with one hand has never been able to play any Sony or ms game, but thanks to the continued support of motion controls has at least occasionally been able to join in on Nintendo games like Mario kart 8 deluxe(the new ease of use features are great!)
Picking and choosing.
Not that it's excusing the lack of button mapping, I guess.
I'm thinking this would have been better.
I get that you want to emphasize but I learned first hand in CS it's best you treat them like anyone else.
Agreed.
I would also like to see games have colorblind mode as a standard, but that doesn't seem to be happening any time soon. PuyoPuyo Tetris is nearly impossible to play without colorblind mode for me.
I have a friend who has one arm and can play modern consoles and PC games no problem. Some companies even make custom controllers for this very function but even that isn't needed.
Huge Succeeded
Banned
Its a bit patronizing and impersonal to describe a lifelong affliction as an 'unfortunate condition' like that
Imagine thinking you have the right to dictate how someone should think and feel about their own body and the ways that others might choose to speak about it. Crazy stuff.
LegendofLex
Member
If you cut out the language around having an "unfortunate condition," the empathy actually comes through more strongly.
Linkstrikesback
Member
That's nice, I'll be sure to let him know he just wasn't trying hard enough.
Seriously what did you want from this reply?
Out of curiosity, did you use the cheat to unlock everything? I thought I saw a few skins that made it much more manageable.
It should be an OS option so developers don't even need to worry about it, it just works with every game. I'm really surprised Nintendo of all companies doesn't have it. That's something that needs to come in an update for the Switch.
Diddy Kong
Banned
I mean, it's unfortunate, but do we really need to slander Nintendo for not designing a game to be played with your feet? Come on.
It's just as rude, in my opinion, to get angry and offended because of it. They could have explained to them it's not the best thing to say. There's no reason to react this way since they had good intentions.
Distresssss
Member
Eh Nintendo didn't say anything mean or wrong.
They do not even have to give people the ability to remap the buttons. If they don't do it and you don't like it, don't buy their stuff.
Kind of feel like Nintendo was cornered to begin with. If they didn't say anything about the condition then they would get chastised for ignoring it and since they didn't do that they get chastised for calling it what it is.
They do not even have to give people the ability to remap the buttons. If they don't do it and you don't like it, don't buy their stuff.
Kind of feel like Nintendo was cornered to begin with. If they didn't say anything about the condition then they would get chastised for ignoring it and since they didn't do that they get chastised for calling it what it is.
Where are you seeing slander
WrenchNinja
Member
Nintendo being up its own ass about control schemes has always been a shitty thing about them
He's not asking for controls designed for feet, he's asking for remappable controls, genius
I did, and the skins do help, but there should still be a colorblind option available.
Diddy Kong
Banned
"Nintendo is failing" the first three words.
WrenchNinja
Member
Maybe you should read the rest
What did you expect from yours? It's not a competition, everyone should strive to be as inclusive as possible with their controls. Adding in a remap feature is not a difficult thing to implement.
But isn't that what Ryan did too by saying it would inherently be patronizing and demeaning to every disabled person? I understand being upset about it, and I understand seeing it as not upsetting too.
Being repulsed by the wording seems a little excessive to me, but I suffer from different disabilities, and know that every reacts differently or prefers different ways for their disabilities to be talked about or referenced.
That said, Nintendo should toss in some button remapping into their games.
Nintendo is failing its disabled fans in the sense that it's providing inadequate options to help people with a variety of disabilities to play their games. What you think about reasonable accommodation is a separate topic, but saying that Nintendo is letting people down isn't slander in any way.
UnemployedVillain
Member
While we're at it, other games should at least take colorblind people into consideration
Uhhh to say it's quite possible without a lot of work but take it how you like
There's no slander here though. Just a criticism and pointing out a failing where Nintendo is usually pretty good with, accessibility. Remapping buttons is something that Nintendo hasn't been so great at. Remapping buttons, as small and trivial they may be, can go a long way in accessibility. Nintendo does provide a variety of control schemes, which is great, but I feel they can still do more.
EDIT: I also agree with everyone else on the colorblindness option as well. Would be a great feature to have.
Diddy Kong
Banned
That's understandable, but they've always made gimmick controls and the Switch is obviously no different. I'd love for them to add mappable buttons, but I'm not holding my breath. There's many cases where Nintendo is praised for having games that are accessible for people with disabilities, but because in this case it doesn't work out, "Nintendo is failing".
I agree with you. Shit headline is all.
Nintendo could have gone better about this specific exchange, but "Failing Its Disabled Fans" strikes me as too broad and even inaccurate a title given all the positive stories we've heard with 1-2-Switch and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe in this regard. There's room for improvement? Obviously, but let's not sweep the progress made via those games under the rug.