Mr_Appleby
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Dickens changed everything as he went along to meet the publics demand. He was a great big sissy and you know it.
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We donated thousands for a new ME3 ending - what else could be accomplished this way
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Dickens changed everything as he went along to meet the publics demand. He was a great big sissy and you know it.
Anasui Kishibe
Banned
yeah, because filmmakers/writers/painters/sculptors never changed their work based on initial "reviews"
I have to say, and I'm usually not critical about how people spend / waste their money, but this seems pretty fucked up.
disappeared
Banned
So, sick kids benefit from Bioware's inability to write a story?
I'm alright with that, I guess.
Hahaha, not even Bioware's writers could make that shit up.
MuddyDonut
Member
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Includes:
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- Characters
- More Romance Scenes
- Patches
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- And more shit to nickel and dime you with
David Jaffe summed up my feelings exactly: http://criminalcrackdown.blogspot.com/search?q=assumptions
WrenchNinja
Member
I'm sorry, I didn't know donating to charity was fucked up.
You mean like cutting an important character out of their script for the sole purpose of selling it as day 1 DLC?
TRUE ART!
I doubt they change it when then have finished and it is hanging on a wall in some gallery. If everyone went back to alter work based upon fans critical feedback, nothing would ever get finished.
Bioware should stick to their guns. ME3 is a finished product, despite how unraveled the ending is. Sure they could have handled the ending better for some fans but it was an ending, regardless of how much you like or dislike it.
Mama Robotnik
Member
I've not played Mass Effect 3, or Mass Effect 2 for that matter. I started the first game a few years ago and never really persevered with it.
I'm entirely spoiler-free and intend to remain this way. But from what I understand, the conclusion of the entire Mass Effect trilogy is that shit endings help sick children.
Makes me wish there were more shit endings really.
I'm entirely spoiler-free and intend to remain this way. But from what I understand, the conclusion of the entire Mass Effect trilogy is that shit endings help sick children.
Makes me wish there were more shit endings really.
You mean like cutting an important character out of their script for the sole purpose of selling it as day 1 DLC?
TRUE ART!
Artistic vision bro!
Was his process so different from Bioware taking feedback from fans, as they have done before? Did he compromise the integrity of his field?
Or the fact that these slimeball nerds had to pout about a video game ending to actually help sick people.
EmCeeGramr
Member
so why are people under the impression that they gave the money to bioware and leaving out the fact that it was all donated to charity
but they did donate to a charity
Mama Robotnik
Member
Regadless of their reasons, they still gave $80,000 to charity and can be proud of that. Probably going to help some really poor-off children.
WrenchNinja
Member
You're assuming that every single person who donated has never ever donated to a charity before.
i bet none of them have ever donated or helped for a good cause before. They just want there own video game ending.
Your point of view is one I can't quite understand. Why should video games be a static product when they can improved and changed? We have the technology to create better products, why not use it?
Quality posting. Right here.
because the OP is vague.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Raising funds in the hopes that something will happen is risky (the company may not care, which leaves the funds... where?) and misguided and dumb.
Uh, so you think everyone who helped pitch 80K for charity never did so before in their lives? Where are you figuring this out?
Either way, it's a good thing that happened. If it went to bioware(like some people think), it'd be pretty screwed up.
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Deleted member 81567
Unconfirmed Member
Writers should be influenced once they start being shit.
- Dr Eggman
- Dr Eggman
I love your assumptions man, keep 'em coming.
Agreed, this sets a bad precedent for players. They're shown they're will to give up money (even if for a good cause) for stuff that should already be present in the product.
Videogames aren't art, least of all Mass Effect, lol. - inky
Anasui Kishibe
Banned
we don't know this for sure...for instance a beta or a gaming convention could be a way to introduce the finished product to players but stating beforehand it's a unfinished one, gather their feedback and change stuff in the remaining months until release. Same went with initial screenings, or drafts. A lot of endings in the history of the medium have been changed on the fly because of the testing group going full-hate at certain decisions. For example, Billy Wilder's Double Indemnity should have ended with the main character in the gas chamber. People reacted bad and Wilder refilmed the ending
Sure but the industry does not work like that. They could keep improving 1 product for years and years but everyone knows the industry runs on yearly sequels. Activision could have kept working on CoD4. Tweaking the engine, making it better and better. Instead they pump out several sequels that really do nothing to improve on that and just make more issues for people to complain at.
Personally I love developers that support their games year after year (Blizzard and Valve) but at some point that does not make them as much money as another IP/Sequel.
In an ideal world developers would keep tweaking the end product but people will never be fully happy. No game is perfect.
I love a good beta test but more and more of them are just extended demos and gamers just play it like that without providing developer feedback. Not many developer actually do a real beta test, look for feedback from the community and adjust based upon that. While it takes time Blizzard do a good beta test and they are constantly tweaking. Not every game really needs or can support a beta test. MP focused games sure but a SP game, especially something like ME3, how do you test an ending?
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
idk
but apparently even alot of people that actually donated were under the impression that they were paying for a new ending to Mass Effect 3, and not donating to charity.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/for...-Play-Halts-Retake-Mass-Effect-Donation-Drive
I don't think so. They should donate to the charity if they feel it's the right thing. I think bioware should stick to there guns.
heliosRAzi
Banned
Art is not a democracy...
...except when you answer to producers, publishers, use focus testing, say that the fans are your co-creators
...except when you answer to producers, publishers, use focus testing, say that the fans are your co-creators
Then they didn't read what was clearly stated in the donation page.
Well, the ending was only made by 2 people that cut everyone else off, so I don't think "bioware" sticking to its guns would actually keep the current shitheap of an ending either.
toastyToast
Member
You mean like cutting an important character out of their script for the sole purpose of selling it as day 1 DLC?
TRUE ART!
Maybe they interpret art as their pockets filled with the tears and spacebucks of their adoring fans
Mr_Appleby
Member
To be frank, I think integrity is probably in the minority in most artistic fields
if Bioware want to change it, good for them, though personally I don't think they should do it just because they are being emotionally blackmailed but because on some level they think they failed whatever it was they set out to achieve. Caveat being I have nfi what the story is or how the ending of 3 ruins it/shits on fans/kills puppies or whatever. To be completely honest I think bioware's story-telling is terrible to begin with, which just doubles the amount of hilarity I derive from this whole affair.*side note: I do think it's fantastic so much money was raised for this charity. But the motives behind it are still hilarious, and kind of sad.
This is BS and you know it. If the bean counters, marketing, or management tells them to do it, they are going to do it. Videogame writers make tons of changes all the time not because they want to do it, but because of technical limitations, time constraints, or budget forced them to do it.
Which is funny because all mediums have shown an attempt to be reactionary to overall opinion, it just so happens that video games is the most mailable medium currently. Heck, movies still get extended cuts, directors cuts, 'the quest for more money' editions.
Where's the artistic integrity there? Aside from conveniently omitted, yet in this case, one team lead locking out the rest of the writing team on the ending, when the entire work prior was collaborative and vetted, is somehow beyond criticism and fixing.
Focus groups. The 'this is art' argument is divergent from reality and based on a fantasy world that doesn't exist.
To be frank, I think integrity is probably in the minority in most artistic fields
*side note: I do think it's fantastic so much money was raised for this charity. But the motives behind it are still hilarious.
Awesome, another sap who has no fucking clue.
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
Then they didn't read what was clearly stated in the donation page.
Pretty funny that alot of people actually asked for their money back when they found out it was for charity and that there was no goal to guarantee a new ending
So maybe alot of the hate in this thread isn't that misplaced after all. lol
Heaven forbid your "art" shouldn't be influenced by the reception of your audience. Especially when you are nickel and diming them for it.
EDIT: Dat artistic integrity:
Mama Robotnik
Member
I got angry reading that. Really damn angry.
Psychoward
Banned
Ugh, and it turned out to be the worst/second worst of them.
Anasui Kishibe
Banned
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Me. I need 100k to settle this.