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i dont get this line of reasoning when the ISP is just like...the on ramp to the internet...they let my traffic go to thru their gateways to routers. The USA really shoulda finished replacing the phoneline backbone in this country...ugh we got boned now this is happening.
 
genjiZERO said:
I really don't get why the US is so shitty and regressive when it comes to the internet.
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Just like it die the automotive industry its going to take some time for us to get up to speed on this. Well, we have two ok automakers, the other two are failwhales. And umm, I guess we have Google already slowly working on the internet issues...

You'd think Obama would do something about this since he's pretty hip about this stuff right? That's why college kids and musicians told me to vote for him.
 
HolyCheck said:
Lol you guys wouldn't last in Australia at all.

This is how our internet works.

You don't pay for speed.

You pay for how many gigabytes per month you can have. Most plans are 50, 100, 300 or so.

Many old people just pay for 5 gig a month.

Pretty much everyone gets the same speed (about 1.8megabytes per second at top speed unless you're lucky) ive never had over 1.4
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Actually you do pay for speed. You also pay for download. Plenty of unlimited packages, so long as you are prepared for shit speeds and vice versa.

Its also a hassle to find you might be stuck on shit download speed irrespective of how much you are prepared to spend because Telstra copped out on your phone lines and used pair gain wiring or they cant / wont run fibre to your address.

Luckily, when I moved into a new estate here in Gladstone because nothing was here, they opted to forego copper and go straight to fibre so I got on the nbn. Back home in Brisbane, I would still be using shit copper dealing with constant disconnects and struggling to hit a 4mb connection. Here I am on 100mb. For the privlige it costs me $80 a month and I get 100gb on peak and 100gb off.
 
Don't we already have this basic idea? Companies offer tiers of speeds for different prices, so customers buy whichever speed fits their needs best. If you do a lot, you'll pay more for the higher speed.

EDIT: I see this was already posted.
 
Mohonky said:
Luckily, when I moved into a new estate here in Gladstone because nothing was here, they opted to forego copper and go straight to fibre so I got on the nbn. Back home in Brisbane, I would still be using shit copper dealing with constant disconnects and struggling to hit a 4mb connection. Here I am on 100mb. For the privlige it costs me $80 a month and I get 100gb on peak and 100gb off.
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$130/month for 500GB cable here on the Gold Coast, too bad Telstra sucks and my speed fluctuates between 35-100mbps.
 
What this should mean is that joe shmo that barely uses any internet should pay cheaper than he does now, and prices stay the same for normal users. Of course it doesn't mean that

What's stupid is that if you bother to pay for faster speeds with pricier packages, you already are on a plan that expects greater usage. So what's the point even making these statements unless the plan is to find some excuse to charge even more for arbitrary reasons

EDIT: beaten, but it can't be said enough
 
UrokeJoe said:
If only these guys could charge for the use of oxygen they would be rich beyond their dreams.



Exactly what it is.
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The current situation is bad enough - but it's manageable even (monopolistic broadband, no incentive to innovate such as laying fiber, etc). This is just greed to the next level. Shameful.
 
Yeah, the Barbarian horde have been pounding at the gates for a while. With help from the coward Netflix they've broken through; it was only a matter of time though. Grab your S.O. and whatever else you hold dear and retreat to hills. Don't look back or witness the sack and burning of your old life. Pray the gods choose mercy.
 
Nameless said:
Yeah, the Barbarian horde have been pounding at the gates for a while. With help from the coward Netflix they've broken through; it was only a matter of time though. Grab your S.O. and whatever else you hold dear and retreat to hills. Don't look back or witness the sack and burning of your old life. Pray the gods choose mercy.
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This is a perfect post, perfect.
 
So since this douchebag ceo thinks the internet is a resource we're using up. Shouldnt verizon be getting fined like companies who hurt endangered animals, cut down too many trees, or pollute water? I mean, he claims users are using up all of the internet and its taking a toll on a billion dollar company's network infrastructure,

Remember when verizon was allowed to not pay taxes a few years ago? And still cut a ton of jobs? Im sure they saved enough money there to fix the internet problems theyre having.

Remember when verizon was formed because att was forced by the justice department to split up? I guess its true that one something comes from shit, it stays shit.

Such a shit company.
 
Jedeye Sniv said:
What is funny is how that article yesterday (was it the Verge or Vulture?) was saying how the internet should be treated as a utility like water or gas. You pay more for all utilities the more you use them, so I can see the logic.
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Yeah, but it's a very surface logic. They are literally BANKING on the idea that neither government officials OR the majority of consumers are going to dig underneath that surface (even an inch will do) to discover just how bullshit that concept is. That they'll just take that argument on its face and shrug and say "Yeah, I guess so."
 
Wow that verge article was on point, and this is some bullcrap.

does Youtube have to pay extra for the obviously huge bandwidth they need?
 
On a positive note, McAdam again dispelled concerns that Verizon might employ bandwidth prioritization practices that would see some services throttled while others are provided clear paths across VerizonÂ’s network.
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Meanwhile the Internet blackmail of Netflix by Comcast shows exactly the issue.
 
As bad as the American's are getting shafted with the internet these days, I don't think any of you would last in my country.

I pay $35 USD for 256K Internet...hasn't even reached 1MB yet...
 
Blades64 said:
As bad as the American's are getting shafted with the internet these days, I don't think any of you would last in my country.

I pay $35 USD for 256K Internet...hasn't even reached 1MB yet...
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Are you posting from the moon perhaps?
 
I can see an exodus from cable in the near future. People won't need it because they'll be streaming and surfing from their phones.
 
As I posted in the other thread it really doesn't feel like we are all that far from the nightmare future depicted in that image that made the rounds awhile ago:

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at the very least I don't see it far fetched at all to be charged a gamer package either on our end or directly from ISP to PSN or XBLA to keep traffic flowing smoothly.
 
The Verizon CEO never said anything about end users paying more if they use more. When you look at the full transcript of the conference call all these stories eventually source from it is obvious he is talking about companies like Netflix when discussing "heavy users". Relevant comments are on page 13.
 
ultron87 said:
The Verizon CEO never said anything about end users paying more if they use more. When you look at the full transcript of the conference call all these stories eventually source from it is obvious he is talking about companies like Netflix when discussing "heavy users". Relevant comments are on page 13.
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does it really matter? Those costs will be downloaded to customers one way or another. Whether I have to pay Netflix 5 dollars more a month instead of my ISP it amounts to the same crap.
 
Bamelin said:
does it really matter? Those costs will be downloaded to customers one way or another. Whether I have to pay Netflix 5 dollars more a month instead of my ISP it amounts to the same crap.
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I think it does. There are plenty of alternatives and competition for Netflix so they have reasons not to raise prices or introduce tiered plans or that kind of nonsense. And dropping Netflix is a million times easier than dropping Internet from an ISP.

Also the blatant misinformation in the various headlines about that quote annoy the shit out of me.
 
ultron87 said:
I think it does. There are plenty of alternatives and competition for Netflix so they have reasons not to raise prices or introduce tiered plans or that kind of nonsense. And dropping Netflix is a million times easier than dropping Internet from an ISP.

Also the blatant misinformation in the various headlines about that quote annoy the shit out of me.
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there actually aren't alot of alternatives to Netflix in many countries (like Canada). No Hulu up here, no amazon ...
 
Bamelin said:
does it really matter? Those costs will be downloaded to customers one way or another. Whether I have to pay Netflix 5 dollars more a month instead of my ISP it amounts to the same crap.
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I'd say the most likely scenario is that we'll get hit with both. We'll be essentially double charged - higher fees for services like Netflix as well as higher ISP costs. And our complete lack of substantive consumer protection laws means nothing will be done about it.
 
Blades64 said:
As bad as the American's are getting shafted with the internet these days, I don't think any of you would last in my country.

I pay $35 USD for 256K Internet...hasn't even reached 1MB yet...
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I'm in the US, and didn't get any form of high speed internet until 2006 or so.
Before that, the fastest thing you could get was Dual 56K dialup (112k), and that only got you about 9kbps at my house. Cost me around $110 when you counted the cost of the phone lines and with the isp cost.

Now, my cell phone gets you 7.5mbps down and 3mbps up and is completely unlimited with tethering and no throttling for about $25 cheaper. Thanks T-mobile.


If this stuff continues you can forget a digital only future.
Maybe I can get a job as a data runner. I can sprint to the nearest free wifi, download what my client needs onto a usb drive, then run back to their place.
 
Ozzy Onya A2Z said:
All ISPs play a numbers game with bandwidth, if all customers used their quotas the ISPs would lose money. Some ISPs have a larger percentage of heavy usage customers and these sorts of management reveals are common. They got the balance out of whack and it's no longer in favour of the house ISP basically.
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How so?
 
Jedeye Sniv said:
What is funny is how that article yesterday (was it the Verge or Vulture?) was saying how the internet should be treated as a utility like water or gas. You pay more for all utilities the more you use them, so I can see the logic.

However as a heavy internet user I'm against this. Obviously.
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Two things:

-The "internet" is not a natural resource required by the human body for essential biological functions and just being able to live.

-The "internet" is not a non-renewable resource. It is nothing more than the utilization of equipment to transmit data using a partition of radio frequency waves. Those radio frequency waves are generated as part of our magnetic shield (well, more like processes of interaction between solar winds and the magnetosphere of the Earth's magnetic shield, but w/e), which is in turn generated through the Earth's dynamo. The Earth's dynamo is generated from its core.

So unless these idiots can prove that the Earth's core is shrinking every time someone streams Sex In The City, they have no grounds to attempt anything like this.

And if that were happening, we'd be in much bigger trouble than fighting over how much to charge for internet usage.
 
jhmtehgamr20xx said:
Two things:

-The "internet" is not a natural resource required by the human body for essential biological functions and just being able to live.

-The "internet" is not a non-renewable resource. It is nothing more than the utilization of equipment to transmit data using a partition of radio frequency waves. Those radio frequency waves are generated as part of our magnetic shield (well, more like processes of interaction between solar winds and the magnetosphere of the Earth's magnetic shield, but w/e), which is in turn generated through the Earth's dynamo. The Earth's dynamo is generated from its core.

So unless these idiots can prove that the Earth's core is shrinking every time someone streams Sex In The City, they have no grounds to attempt anything like this.

And if that were happening, we'd be in much bigger trouble than fighting over how much to charge for internet usage.
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You need to differentiate between wired and wireless networks. Wired networks have effectively unlimited bandwidth. Just lay some more fiber, etc. In wireless networks, bandwidth really is a scarce commodity. They're talking about wired networks, which is just stupid. They're just trying to milk customers.
 
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