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Welp Unless MS is 110% stealthy, there will be NO price drop with GTA4
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Rhazer Fusion
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I really think Microsoft cares more about profit then gaining marketshare. It sounds ridiculous, but I really think it is factual. Look how they will not budge on their overpriced accessories and charge you for nearly everything. Microsoft will drop the price when they absolutely need to. Around 5 million ahead of the PS3 and running neck to neck with it in sales just before a very high profile game comes out is not their definition of "must do a price drop now" IMO.
That's a good idea, but not necessarily true. The 360 has begun to reach a saturation point a $350, so it remains to be seen who is left to buy it at the current price.Rhindle said:
For the PS3, we won't know until June how many people are going to get one for GTA vs how many people are waiting for the MGS4 bundle.
It'll be interesting to see, regardless.
Er sort of, not completely. The PS2 crowd as far as I can tell has been divided. A lot of PS2 owners have become 360 owners, and obviously some have become PS3 owners.Ariexv said:
I doubt the Wii will outsell the PS2, and I also doubt the XBOX360 and PS3 will get sell as badly as the XBOX and GameCube did.
Only if you can retroactively make 80% of the PS2's games library disappear.Ariexv said:
PS2 was the bread and butter console where most people went to play the big releases, and where publishers made most of their money.
Wii will never be that, no matter how many units it ends up selling.
Yeah, but is the Wii going to be like the GameCube, where I buy one 2 years into it's lifespan and basically 2 or 3 good games come out for it after that? So then sales taper off.Ariexv said:
Or will developers catch on? I'd love to see that happen so I can justify I'm the purchase I'm inevitably going to make down the road. Right now the only title that I'm really interested in is of course Super Mario Galaxy, and one of my roommates has that.
Rhazer Fusion said:
The profit over marketshare thing is so bloody short-sighted on their part though.
They had ample opportunity to put a beleaguered Sony out of their misery and make this a one horse race where they dictate the market. But instead of going for the jugular, they are now stuck in a war of attrition which, thanks to their lack of traction in PAL territories and Japan, they can't win.
What will cost more in the long run? A $50 price drop or an even fight against a fired-up Sony? I'd suggest the latter.
Truespeed
Member
RBH said:
Regardless of the legitimacy or illegitimacy of their numbers I'd like to see you to discredit their results with your detailed worldwide numbers, but you can't. Unless a publisher releases their actual sales we'll never know the real number of copies sold. So don't worry about it. Just keep posting tired old images.
See, that's the 2nd thing I don't get.... why do people still doubt the Wii's Library? It has overall more AAA titles then the Ps3 though it's lacking in the good but not quite AAA section. It has Galaxy, Twilight Princess, Smash, Metroid, the ultimate version of Re4. To go along with those it has NMH, Zack and Wiki, Mario Kart, and Striker's Charged. Beyond those it has a possible galaxy Sequel, a confirmed new Zelda game, a likely new Kid Icarus game and who knows what else.... Nintendo has to have an absolutely amazing line-up for the rest of this year if they released Smash, Fit, and Mario kart in the first couple months.ascii42 said:
Umm those statistics use the actual sold to consumer numbers....Truespeed said:
* Numbers are based on official records from NPD and information provided to Next-Gen by publishers. Publicly available data and analysis was also taken into account, as well as dead reckoning and sanity checking from the Next-Gen staff when exact counts (such as unified sales data for Europe) were difficult to corroborate, conflicting, or unavailable.
That's about an accurate a number as you're going to get.... you can argue all day long if you want that "I really liked this game so it must have sold good" but in the end it's false.
bafflewaffle
Member
A smart play might be to offer a Gears 1 bundle around when MGS4 hits.
-perceived price drop, but doesnt cost MS as much as a real one
-promotes upcoming gears 2
-$150 less than mgs 4 bundle
-easy way to get rid of excess gears 1 stock if they have it sitting around
-perceived price drop, but doesnt cost MS as much as a real one
-promotes upcoming gears 2
-$150 less than mgs 4 bundle
-easy way to get rid of excess gears 1 stock if they have it sitting around
Phife Dawg
Member
If that was the case it would be PC gaming all the way.Agent Icebeezy said:
Yeah, it doesn't really make sense. They already dropped countless billions in this venture, this would've been a great opportunity to distance themselves further from their HD competitor. Even if it would've cost them $300m, the effect probably would've been worth it. I guess shareholders aren't too pleased with the investment thus far and put up a lot of pressure to stay profitable.Mrbob said:
:lolTruespeed said:
Is that still a bannable offence?
I think the last time Uncharted was mentioned in the NPD it had 377k sales, add 39k from Japan and consider the fact that in Europe's biggest market UK (where Uncharted also was the most successful) the title broke the 100k sold barrier, but not the 200k sold barrier and the possibility of this having sold 1m are slim to nill. It never ever charted in Germany, was out of the charts in France faster than in the UK, same for Spain and Italy.
But yeah, continue to spew bullshit numbers taken from wherever ioio pulls his numbers from (most likely his rectum).
Synth_floyd
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Is there any news on the latest chipset revision for Xbox 360, code named "Jasper?" Dean Takahashi revealed it in one of his blogs a few months ago. Supposedly it's coming out this fall. Any further updates on it?
http://www.mercextra.com/blogs/aei/2007/10/09/xbox_360_secrets_after_falcon_comes_jasper/
http://www.mercextra.com/blogs/aei/2007/10/09/xbox_360_secrets_after_falcon_comes_jasper/
Rhazer Fusion
Member
Burai said:
I wholeheatedly agree with you. X360 had several opportunities to widen the gap and obviously take advantage of their already more consumer friendly price tag and larger assortment of software. Tell me why there is only a $50 difference in the two competing consoles now? Once you factor in that you basically need XBox Live, guess what? The consoles are the same price and one has a HD player with it. That tells me something right there.
Phife Dawg
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Not really accurate, no. Not denying the fact that the possibilities of Uncharted having sold a million are slim to nill (see above).Ariexv said:
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Rhazer Fusion said:
You, and others, are talking like HD media makes that huge of a difference right now. Blu-Ray is the defacto HD movie format. It isn't the defacto movie format. There is a big difference.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
Agent Icebeezy said:
I know it is not the primary, "selling point" for the PS3 right now, but I think it makes the package look slightly more appealing to customers who are torn between the two especially, if they are looking for value. Who knows? Things could change by the end of the year.
RadarScope1
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Dalauz said:
To twist the knife, and to give us something to talk about. It's the console war, dude. It's like nerd politics.
RadarScope1 said:To twist the knife, and to give us something to talk about. It's the console war, dude. It's like nerd politics.
QFT.
I'm shocked they didn't do it, but I gues they are not too worried ATM in North America (they should be, Sony is definately picking up the momentum against them).
No cheapo Arcade unit for me to stream media from in my living room: (
Guy Legend
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stewacide said:
Indeed, that's a big pain in the ass for me. I don't want to buy any additional adapters. Reliability and a price drop will also have to occur before I'll seriously consider adding a XB360 after already buying a PS3.
How about some more games to the backwards compatibility lineup too...
BolognaOni
Member
Just makes it easier to wait longer to get a PS3/360, which the longer I wait, the more it looks like it will be a PS3...
I really loved my XBox (until the MB died a few months ago), and I really wanted to get behind 360, but the generally sub-par hardware has made it really hard for me to pull the trigger and buy one.
I really loved my XBox (until the MB died a few months ago), and I really wanted to get behind 360, but the generally sub-par hardware has made it really hard for me to pull the trigger and buy one.
Good move on not dropping the price. They are still comfortably ahead on the states. And while being outsold against the PS3 throughout Europe last year they are still ahead as well there. Worldwide between the two the 360 is still comfortably ahead regardless.
I'm pretty sure that at least in the states that the 360 version of IV will outsell the PS3. Hardware sales between the two systems will more or less be equal the next NPD. Microsoft still shot themselves in the foot for focusing too much on the hardcore audience, but you know what, thats alright. They will have sold over 20 million consoles by the end of this year. Thats pretty good in my book. And I'm sure Microsoft has at least 10-20 million more consoles to sell by the time this generation is over. If they happen to sell 40 million they will be in good competition through console history.
1. PS2
2. PS1
3. NES
4. SNES
5. Genesis
6. N64
7. X360
The 360 was outsold by the PS3 the first two months of the year in the states, yeah. But it was by a combined 67k. I think Microsoft didn't feel that one at all.
I'm pretty sure that at least in the states that the 360 version of IV will outsell the PS3. Hardware sales between the two systems will more or less be equal the next NPD. Microsoft still shot themselves in the foot for focusing too much on the hardcore audience, but you know what, thats alright. They will have sold over 20 million consoles by the end of this year. Thats pretty good in my book. And I'm sure Microsoft has at least 10-20 million more consoles to sell by the time this generation is over. If they happen to sell 40 million they will be in good competition through console history.
1. PS2
2. PS1
3. NES
4. SNES
5. Genesis
6. N64
7. X360
The 360 was outsold by the PS3 the first two months of the year in the states, yeah. But it was by a combined 67k. I think Microsoft didn't feel that one at all.
The "legitimacy or illegitimacy of their numbers" is the main issue here, so it's funny how you use the "regardless" tag in front of it.Truespeed said:
The Next-Gen.biz website has actually compiled numbers from "official records from NPD and information provided by publishers", yet that's apparently not as good of a source as ioi for you. It's certainly not a perfect measure of sales, but it's the best measure that we have right now, and ioi/vgchar tz has done shit to prove itself as a reliable source of info.
But just keep on clinging to that false hope of yours.
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Scottlarock
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these deals usually happen before price drops. good newsRBH said:
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charlequin
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Mindlog said:
That's not quite as good as a pricedrop, but for purposes of pushing people shopping for a GTA4 system over into the 360 camp it's pretty darn close.
AdventureRacing
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Opiate said:
Because it's extremely short sited, and they will make much more profit later if they increase their market share?
MobiusPigeon
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both sears and TRU have 20 gig hard drives for $50. so with a little leg work you could put together a "premium" 360 for the price of a core and get gta4 pretty much free.