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Were my expectations too high? (New PC configuration)

fluffydelusions said:
I don't think I would be. He had to change CPU, mobo, and ram. Kinda pricey for only ~20 more fps
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Honestly, I'd feel the same, being under 60.

But the beauty is that if money isn't a super big factor, the prospect of upgrading my GPU and then reaping the benefits would be awesome. That's an extra 10-20 potential frames over what his previous 2500/8gb rig would have gotten with *only* an upgrade to a more powerful gpu (and still potentially not hit 4k/60 on the older hdwr), and that's just gaming.
 
Resolution is the issue

You would get better performance at 1080p or 1440p

I am gonna go for a 1080i in the future myself but if I can't play 60 fps at 4K , wouldn't mind playing on lower resolution
 
I'm surprised you got that much of a performance boost from the cpu upgrade (I know you doubled the ram but witcher 3 at least doesn't need that much ram). That means the 2500k was a HUGE bottleneck before which is surprising (to me at least).
 
Yes, your system isn't the kind of overkill you would need to breath easy at 4k. Spend more money, game at a reasonable resolution, or compromise your in-game settings. You are near the level of hardware you need to run games at 4k ultra settings, but your GPU isn't. Aim for 1080ti SLI if you are trying to ball out at 4k.

AKA: Drop another grand or two and you will get what you want.
 
I've finally got custom resolutions working via CRU, so I've been enjoying my 980ti at 1800p for games where it can't do 4k. At some point I'll upgrade my PC to crank it at full fat 4k, but it's fine for the interim.
 
The difference between 1440p and 4K isn't worth upgrading the card, but the new build was still worth it because when it comes time to upgrade, the rest of machine will not hold the new card back.
 
It's your GPU, OP.

I have a 1060 and it's able to run game like Bayonetta and Dragon's Dogma in 4K, but as soon as you tackle the big guns like Dark Souls 3, Witcher 3, etc you'll face the harsh reality that the GPU just doesn't deliver. 4K is quite demanding, especially if you want all the bells and whistles at ultra.

However, the CPU you got here future proofs you for a couple of years with emulation, when, for example, that PS3 emulator will be a bit more fledged out. Same for Wii U with CEMU, my 2500K runs fine with it but I'm sure an upgrade would help a lot with some imperfections I have.
 
suikodan said:
Ok, thanks for all the answers. I'll admit that I expected the 1070 to handle 4K with comfort. I guess that I'll have to tweak each games to reach their sweet spots.

At least 1440p looks great on my display.



To my defense, I'll say that I played the majority of The Witcher 3 on a 1080p display and compared to PS4, I accepted a better image with variable framerate but with a much faster loading. I cannot calculate the time I saved on PC compared to PS4.
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The only cards that can handle 4k at 60fps is The 1080ti and the titanxp. That is it.
 
Tahnit said:
The only cards that can handle 4k at 60fps is The 1080ti and the titanxp. That is it.
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Just depends on your settings and the game. Looking at 1070 reviews, there are games that can hit that on average. Even new games like Doom come very close and thats at ultra settings. We need more games with Vulkan support.
 
leng jai said:
Wait, a single 1080Ti can pull off 4K60 with high end titles?
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In most games at ultra yea. A few titles you need to bring s few settings down a little. But it's a best of a card.

Also OP check out the Digital Foundry video on effectively getting the effect of checkerboard or Sparse Rendering (Ok not exactly but getting near 4k with a big boost to performance) on PC. Not native 4k, but honestly, who cares.

SERIOUSLY OP WATCH THIS VIDEO

https://youtu.be/wSpHONwyBqg
 
I'm actually surprised you got a 20fps gain on a CPU and RAM upgrade. That really makes it seem like the 2500k and 8GB is a huge bottleneck. I haven't seen anything this drastic on any YouTube video to this point.
 
4K is an insane drain on performance. That tends to get glossed over. Midrange PC GPU hardware is simply not ready for 4K at 60fps. You'll definitely see massive improvements in other areas from the RAM+CPU boost, though.
 
OP's results are actually very good. Most CPU/platform upgrades are resulting in way less performance increases. Modern games are mostly GPU limited.
 
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Remember, you're quadrupling the number of pixels it has to render.
 
Great real life example of how 2500ks/3570ks will fuck your performance up.

Impressive gains to be honest.

Overall perfomrance is still shit of course but it should be known at this point that GPUs aren't ready yet for 60 fps, native 4k and common "ultra" settings. Gotta compromise.
 
For 4k you're most likely bottlenecked on GPU now. I'd try to upscale from 1440p to 4k instead, will give you a much better experience.

Question though, you've bought K processors but don't mention any overclocking? Might be worth a quick visit to the BIOS to get some free extra performance out of your rig.
 
ThoseDeafMutes said:
I've finally got custom resolutions working via CRU, so I've been enjoying my 980ti at 1800p for games where it can't do 4k. At some point I'll upgrade my PC to crank it at full fat 4k, but it's fine for the interim.
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Yeah this is how you do it.

I just go ultrawide @1440p on my 4k tv.
 
Not sure why you expected drastically higher framerates when you didn't change your graphics card...You want 60 fps 4k buy a 1080 ti. Otherwise wait til 2019 like the rest of us ^__^
 
Gunmonkey36 said:
Not sure why you expected drastically higher framerates when you didn't change your graphics card...You want 60 fps 4k buy a 1080 ti. Otherwise wait til 2019 like the rest of us ^__^
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And even then it's not always guaranteed. I sometimes have to hit medium or high options in games if I want 60fps@4K with my 1080ti and 7700k (the stupidly hot 7700k I should add). It's not very often and maybe it's just the game engine but Fallout 4 for example needs a few things turned down @4K to maintain 60fps 100% of the time. But yeah, a 1070 really isn't for 4K.
 
Duxxy3 said:
4K TV

Found your problem.

I'm sticking with 1080p with my 980ti because 1440p and 4k have such high requirements. Rather have a smooth framerate. I don't think PC hardware is really where it needs to be for 4k. At least without spending an obnoxious amount of money.
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980 Ti is perfectly fine for 1440p though, unless you absolutely must have 60+ fps in everything at all times. With a G-Sync display I don't really even notice.

Some games also run just fine in 4K on it, I was actually surprised that Titanfall 2 was really smooth in native 4K on mine.

That said, in many games you are aiming for 30-40 fps in 4K with a 980 Ti / 1070. A good solution would be to drop down in either details or resolution a bit as the overall visual quality won't suffer THAT much.
 
Decado said:
When do we expect to get a true 4k gaming video card?
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When 4k is the standard for games, years from now.

Until then, you'll have flagship cards (at least from nVidia, fuck knows what AMD is even doing with their bullshit cards) that will play most games in 4k/60 at max settings, but not all, even at the time it's released, or shortly after, as games continue to get more complex.

Of course, at any given time you have options that aren't limited to a single GPU. Right now, for example,, you could get like two Titan Xps (if you have $2400 burning a hole in your pocket) and then even the current games that the 1080Ti can't pull at 4k/60/max should be good.
 
Maybe I will get a new PC, but keep my 1070 until the next gen of video cards. Performance difference between 1070 and 1080ti doesn't quite seem worth it.

Hopefully whatever 4k tv I get (likely 65" 900e) works well with custom resolutions.
 
Yes, with that GPU. We needed "true" 4K 60fps+ GPUs across the board for all games yesterday. And by the time those GPUs are out, the majority will be eyeing that 8K 60fps.
 
suikodan said:
i5-2500K
GTX 1070
8Gb RAM
SSD Drive
4K TV

to a
i7-7700K
GTX 1070 (the same)
16Gb RAM
SSD Drive (the same)
4K TV
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In order of gaming performance:

1) GPU
2) CPU
3) Everything else

You should have upgraded your graphics card before your CPU.

Especially if you're planning on playing in 4K? I'd tone it down to 1080p honestly.
 
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