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[ViolentP]

Ummmm, yeah. Just as simple as printing out a label in your home and mailing it to Amazon at their expense, right. Selling Steam accounts is against TOS and shady. Not even close to being the same as simply as reselling console games you could do at even a local yard sale. Quite frankly it's silly to even entertain the thought and is REALLY stretching.

Not being able to resell your game is a PC disadvantage... it's ok to admit it, it really is. Nothing is perfect... that's why they put erasers on pencils.

The only thing I find silly is saying that console gaming is cheaper because you don't get to keep the games you buy. You want to talk stretch? There you go.

 

[amitlu]

That doesn't change its other limitations though. I never trade my games and don't buy used, the closest I come to "lending" a console game is bringing it with me to a friends house for multiplayer and how is that any more DRM ridden than just logging onto my Steam account on his PC and downloading the game?

The fact you have to 'spoof' your friend as you just to share a game is the problem. There is no such restriction with hard copies of console games. Two people playing one copy of a game is a thing that the publishers do not want. They want each individual person to buy a copy and have it tied to them forever, so that they can never resell it it rent it out. That way they have total market control and can keep prices high as long as they want because consumers have no choice.

I see where you're going with your statement but I think you overestimate the importance of being able to trade your games away, I guarantee you most people could give two shits about that in real life - and even if you did the convenience of Steam DRM outweighs those benefits.

Gamestop made almost half its entire profits off used games sales last year. I think its you that is underestimating how much people value actually owning their purchases as a commodity. But I shouldn't be surprised if long time PC people are not used to being able to do whatever they want with their property, without strict authorization from Gaben himself.

Well, the Wii is the number one console this generation by a long shot. If you want to disregard it though that's your call. Steam Offline mode works perfectly fine and is extremely simple... you have to open a game ONCE in online mode to activate it and then it'll work forever in offline mode unless your local account credentials are cleared and everytime your online they're refreshed automatically. When I got my old laptop last year I didn't have WiFi for almost two months (just moved in didn't have the wireless router) - I plugged the ethernet cable in, opened the games I wanted working in offline mode to activate them and then I was golden without ever reacquiring an internet connection again on the thing. I'm not going to get into the amount of game sharing that goes on with Steam either (since you can just log into someone's account, launch their games, and then switch to offline mode to essentially play everything for free - yeah, that's a sign of really strict DRM /sarcasm)

All online DRM is less than ideal, console or otherwise. You are missing the point entirely. The point was it is disingenuous to claim console's have the worst DRM when the VAST majority of console sales are retail, which is the last area of games software that is pretty much DRM free. Have the disc? Good, you can play. Doesn't matter if you didn't register it to some online account or someone used it previously.

Get out of here with your conspiracy theory bullshit. Steam isn't going to magically close down fuck over everyone's game library... absolute worst case scenario is, in the far future, Valve goes out of business and you'd no longer be able to redownload your games so you'd have to back them up and install a patch to play without Steam. Worst case! Do you want to predict the worst case when the next new Xbox forces Microsoft to go out of the console business and shut down Xbox Live - what happens to all your XBLA games? I assure you it's much worse and much more likely.

No one said anything about Steam closing down, calm down. It's up to you if you want to trust your entire game library to someone other than yourself. I already addressed the XBLA stuff above, but speaking of RETAIL games, they'll ALWAYS be able to run since they CAN'T check for online authentication since the consumer having their console connected isn't something publishers can rely on.


And whats with people saying stuff about being able to play games in 10 years? Do you all think console discs just up and explode all of a sudden after an expiry date? I assure you I have no problems playing 10+ year old console games.

It's also not really something you can use in your whole MASTER RACE spiel. I had to spend about an hour getting Homeworld to work the other day on a modern machine, thats 59 minutes longer than it would take me to connect an old console, slap the game in and be ready to go.

 

[Sarcasm]

Selling games at a yard sale is waste, you typically only get 5 bucks for it. Might as well go get robbed at your local gamestop.

 

[Forkball]

Advantages: So many games
Disadvantages: Too many games

 

[OldJadedGamer]

The only thing I find silly is saying that console gaming is cheaper because you don't get to keep the games you buy. You want to talk stretch? There you go.

Technically, you don't get to "keep" your PC games as they aren't in physical form and you are bound by the Terms and Conditions of Steam. They can cut you off from your games at any moment. Steam could go out of business tomorrow and all your games are gone forever. Not that they would of course but it's very interesting to see that you think you "own" these games on your PC.

I like to play games, not collect them. Once I play them, I move on and play the next one.

 

[ElRenoRaven]

Personally for me here they are.

Pros:
1. Just download and go. No having to wait for shipping or in lines at the store.
2. Can play most games without having to have 2 or more consoles
3. Games tend to be cheaper cost wise.
4. Most games on medium look as good as most console games. I can run a lot on a mix of high and medium.
5. All games at my fingertips thanks to being downloads. No having to switch discs all the time to play a different game.

Cons:
1. Lack of Physical media. I prefer cases and manuals, etc.
2. Sometimes it takes some screwing around to get a game to work. Even then it might not work right.
3. DRM. On PC some of the DRM is just total bullshit.
4. Updating games can be a hassle. Steam helps a lot here but games that aren't on steam you sometimes have to hunt for a patch, etc.
5. Not every game supports my prefered control style.
6. Some games won't let you adjust a lot of the settings
7. You have to set up each games graphics, etc individually. On console I just pop it in and play.

Those are the big things for me. Some will disagree with them but they are my views. I won't even go into the upgrading PC stuff. depending on how often you do it and what level of graphics you're ok with that can be cheaper then gaming on consoles. So that's going to vary for everyone.

 

[Tallshortman]

Personally for me here they are.
Cons:
1. Lack of Physical media. I prefer cases and manuals, etc.

Mmm how is this a con? All PC games except for smaller titles are available in boxes with manuals, DVD, and such.

Other than that all the other cons are all very reasonable.

 

[Minsc]

Absolutely true. But not everyone wants to tweak and see it as a headache. hence, it is a disadvantage for some.

I still have a Bloom issue. Cant get it fix for the life of me.

That's easy, just remove a few GPUs.

 

[ViolentP]

Technically, you don't get to "keep" your PC games as they aren't in physical form and you are bound by the Terms and Conditions of Steam. They can cut you off from your games at any moment. Steam could go out of business tomorrow and all your games are gone forever. Not that they would of course but it's very interesting to see that you think you "own" these games on your PC.

I like to play games, not collect them. Once I play them, I move on and play the next one.

There is a function on Steam that freely allows you to backup your games onto physical media.

And I like to collect my games like I collect my books. At some point down the road, I'll be in the mood to play something specific and I like knowing I've likely covered that.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

There is a function on Steam that freely allows you to backup your games onto physical media.

Let me get this straight. I can buy a game on Steam, burn it to blank media and play that game on any computer that doesn't have Steam installed? Steam is *not* required to be there when you do this?

 

[ViolentP]

Let me get this straight. I can buy a game on Steam, burn it to blank media and play that game on any computer that doesn't have Steam installed? Steam is *not* required to be there when you do this?

That's not what you asked and that's not what I said. Might be time to get that pencil eraser out.

 

[Sarcasm]

This is turning into a pissing contest. Some of the replies are just lol and some just stretching way too far thin.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

That's not what you asked and that's not what I said. Might be time to get that pencil eraser out.

I said you don't own the games you buy as you are bound by Steam and they dictate if you can play or not. Then you counted that and said you could burn them to media. But now you're saying that you're still bound by Steam even if you do this so my point still stands as you don't "own" any of the games you bought through them.

 

[ViolentP]

I said you don't own the games you buy as you are bound by Steam and they dictate if you can play or not. Then you counted that and said you could burn them to media. But now you're saying that you're still bound by Steam even if you do this so my point still stands as you don't "own" any of the games you bought through them.

Us PC guys aren't bound by much I can assure you.

 

[EternalGamer]

I said you don't own the games you buy as you are bound by Steam and they dictate if you can play or not. Then you counted that and said you could burn them to media. But now you're saying that you're still bound by Steam even if you do this so my point still stands as you don't "own" any of the games you bought through them.

How the hell is that any different than the PHYSICAL CONSOLE dictating your "right" to play?

Yes, you need Steam (the gaming platform) to play your Steam games. You also need a 360 (the gaming platform) to play your 360 games on. You can't access your 360 games without an Xbox 360. If that system breaks you can't access them.

Somehow you seem to think that if there is a platform your product is dependent upon for access then must not actually "own" that game. But your belief that you "own" your 360 games independent of the platform shows that you have a double standard for what ownership actually means. Because you apparently think you "own" your 360 games even though you have to depend upon a platform to access them.

While it is unclear would would happen if Steam ever close up shop, I have never seen Microsoft or Sony make any sort of promise in regards to the downloadable content you purchase on their platforms. In fact, I think we are pretty safe in saying that it is far more likely you will be able to access your Steam games a decade from now than it is assuming you will be able to access purchases made on Live or PSN because one thing that is certain is that Steam transcends your current hardware cycle where it is not clear that the console platforms do.

The entire argument is kinda bogus, though. No platform exists forever whether physical or digital. In fact, there is a lot better chance that the digital one will outlive the physical ones, especially given than I can run a 20 year old PC game on my current PC and I expect I will probably be able to access those same older games I've purchased on Steam 10 years from now when I have a new PC whereas, good luck finding a working 360 in 20 years even if I have the physical media. Those things don't even typically last more than a couple of years, let alone a couple of decades.

 

[ViolentP]

How the hell is that any different than the PHYSICAL CONSOLE dictating your "right" to play?

Yes, you need Steam (the gaming platform) to play your Steam games. You also need a 360, the gaming platform, to play your 360 games on.

You can't access your 360 games without an Xbox 360. If that system breaks you can't access them.

Some how you seem to think that if there is a platform your product is dependent upon for access then must not actually "own" that game.

I believe Steam has also made it a clear part of their User agreement that if they ever close up shop, you will be given a way to completely access your games.

I have never seen Microsoft or Sony made that sort of promise in regards to the downloadable content you purchase on their platforms.

The entire argument is bogus. No platform exists forever whether physical or digital. In fact, there is a lot better chance that the digital one will outlive the physical ones, especially given than I can run a 20 year old PC game on my current PC whereas, good luck finding a working 360 in 20 years. Those things don't even typically last more than a couple of years, let alone a couple of decades.

EternalGamer? EG EternalGamer?

 

[EternalGamer]

EternalGamer? EG EternalGamer?

Et tu, violent?

 

[ViolentP]

Et tu, violent?

Hah! Whole fucking gang is here.

 

[Fragamemnon]

pros: PC games are awesome.
cons: none? PC gaming is Stables button easy. Sometimes games are busted to all hell for whatever reason on the PC but just ignore those games and play something else.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

How the hell is that any different than the PHYSICAL CONSOLE dictating your "right" to play?

Steam isn't a PHYSICAL CONSOLE, it's a service.

Yes, you need Steam (the gaming platform) to play your Steam games. You also need a 360, the gaming platform, to play your 360 games on. You can't access your 360 games without an Xbox 360. If that system breaks you can't access them.

I have multiple 360's, I can buy them used, I can buy one new to keep playing my console games 30 years from now. If Steam goes down... how do you play or register any new game to play? You can have 5,000 PC's in your house but if Steam is down you are screwed and I'm not talking multiplayer games as a Steam connection is required to even play single player games upon first boot up.

Some how you seem to think that if there is a platform your product is dependent upon for access then must not actually "own" that game. But your belief that you "own" your 360 games independent of the platform shows that you have a double standard for what ownership actually means. Because you apparently think you "own" your 360 games even though you have to depend upon a platform to access them there too.

Again you are arguing the difference between a physical system and an online service. I totally understand that a PC is required to play PC games just like a PS3 or 360 or Wii is required to play console games. No one is arguing that.

I believe Steam has also made it a clear part of their User agreement that if they ever close up shop, you will be given a way to completely access your games.

This is great and a good idea for a back up. Got a link to this? This is the first I've heard of it.

I have never seen Microsoft or Sony made that sort of promise in regards to the downloadable content you purchase on their platforms.

Anyone who thinks they "own" anything they bought from XBL or PSN is a fool. MS and Sony dictate if you can have access to that content.

The entire argument is bogus. No platform exists forever whether physical or digital. In fact, there is a lot better chance that the digital one will outlive the physical ones, especially given than I can run a 20 year old PC game on my current PC whereas, good luck finding a working 360 in 20 years. Those things don't even typically last more than a couple of years, let alone a couple of decades.

I just played Combat on my Atari 2600 last night actually. Digital is not ready to replace physical media just yet. You can argue till you are blue in the face but the fact remains that the lack of physical media, the dependence on online services just to run single player, and the lack of being able to resell your games that you bought is a disadvantage which is what started this entire discussion that you guys jumped into.

I responded to a poster who said that not being able to resell his PC games was not a disadvantage which I grossly disagree with.

 

[Psi]

I believe Steam has also made it a clear part of their User agreement that if they ever close up shop, you will be given a way to completely access your games.

This is a fallacy. Steam can't even keep third party DRM off of a lot of games, and they have no authority to do this and was only an off comment made by Gabe once.

Not that it would stop PC gamers from getting their games other ways.

 

[Apoc87]

So... none of us really OWN a game.

 

[Sarcasm]

You can argue that consoles are the pro til your face is blue.


Just pointing and proving how pointless this thread got. Especially the ones that are multi-quoting.

 

[EternalGamer]

OJG, my point was that you said that you don't "own" the games you purchase on Steam because you are dependent upon their platform.

Thus, you are ALWAYS dependent upon a platform unless you refuse to buy anything other than those standalone Tiger electronics games, arcade units, or those joysticks that hook up to your TV.

So the question really isn't, which one lasts forever because the answer is neither. The question is more along the lines of which platform is more "reliable": having to depend upon a physical platform that is a closed system or having to depend upon a digital platform that is more hardware ubiquitious?

In my assessment, I think it is a lot more likely I will be able to access my Steam games easily 10 years from now than it is likely I will be able to access any 360 games I have lying around 10 years from now. That is because my Steam games (and PC games in general) work across hardware generations and so there is no limit to the physical hardware's lifecycle. My new PC 20 years from now will probably play those old games (with some tinkering, no doubt). But 20 years from now, do you really think it will be easy to find a working Xbox 360? They will still be making new PCs which will probably run my old PC games. They definitely won't be making new 360s.

My point was that physical hardware also has real limitations. They idea that you have to have permanent access to have ownership is bogus because such a thing as permanent access never exists.

 

[Derrick01]

One advantage is having a million things to play due to steam sales. I bought about 40 games altogether in the winter sale, and another 30 in this summer sale and I still have games I haven't touched from winter.

It gives me tons of things to do in the boring summer months at least until Deus Ex finally comes out.

 

[EternalGamer]

This is a fallacy. Steam can't even keep third party DRM off of a lot of games, and they have no authority to do this and was only an off comment made by Gabe once.

Not that it would stop PC gamers from getting their games other ways.

After a bit of research, it turns out you are right. It is ambigious in terms of what would happen. But I also think you are right that the "resourcefullness" of PC gaming community would lead to someone finding a way to allow us to access these files.

Granted, at that point we are talking about something which would also apply to console games via means like emulation. Which puts another argument towards the value of PC Gaming: if you want to play your 360 games in 20 years, likely you will be doing so via emulation on a PC because the 360 hardware is shit. As a bonus, you will probably be able to play them in holodeck mode at 4020p resolution or whatever.

 

[EternalGamer]

So... none of us really OWN a game.

Not by OJG's definition since he defines ownership as having guaranteed access for all eternity.

 

[Raonak]

+Steam
-DRM( do stores still sell pc games?)
+can use my dualshock on it
-having to use kb/m (is good for shooters and rts games, but sucks for everything else imo.)
+can hook up to my HDTV
-Has no console exclusives
+grafixOmzomgz
-Having to deal with hardware/software nonsense.
+indies
-having to deal with elitists.


not a master race btw. I perfer console/handheld gaming. I only use it for PC exclusives I care for, which is few and far between. I mainly use it as an emulation box.

 

[ViolentP]

My first 2 360's died on me. Good thing I didn't own them.

 

[ZealousD]

It's a reference Yahtzee made about PC gamers getting a better quality experience in PC gaming's hey day.

The only thing you've gotten correct is that Yahtzee coined the term.

Yahtzee was in fact mocking the attitudes of PC gamers that look down upon console players and console games.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/22-The-Witcher

 

[EternalGamer]

My first 2 360's died on me. Good thing I didn't own them.

It's interesting that you used to think you actually did.

 

[Zoolader]

I get gaming fatigue much quicker when playing pc games. When gaming on pc I can only play for periods of 1-2 hours, whereas on a console and tv I can play 10+ hours.

 

[ViolentP]

It's interesting that you used to think you actually did.

I'm just being an ass. While some may not have the time to play classic games or work on a PC, I don't have time to fear the TOS monster nor do I have the time to be a videogame broker. Buy, buy, sell, trade, victory! $3 dollars saved.

I get gaming fatigue much quicker when playing pc games. When gaming on pc I can only play for periods of 1-2 hours, whereas on a console and tv I can play 10+ hours.

You probably shouldn't be playing 10+ hours of videogames. I'm no doctor but that can't be good.

 

[EternalGamer]

I get gaming fatigue much quicker when playing pc games. When gaming on pc I can only play for periods of 1-2 hours, whereas on a console and tv I can play 10+ hours.

Apparently nobody has introduced you to Civ 5 yet.

The last time I played a game for 10 hours was when I was 12 years old, I think. I remember my parents leaving to go visit my grandmother (who lived 2 1/2 hours a way) in the morning. When they got back, I was still playing A Link to the Past for the SNES. I literally did not even notice that it had gotten dark.

The next time that sort of thing happened was earlier this year, two decades later. I started my first game of Civ V early one Saturday morning intending to play for an hour to get a grip on it. I think I stopped at like 2AM Sunday morning. I literally played through an entire civilization in one sitting. I guess I must have eaten or went to the bathroom or something but I don't remember doing so.

The experience scared me so badly that I rarely played Civ 5 after that because I had a foreshadowing of what that game could turn me into. Just the other day I almost booted it up and I though, "fuck, remember what happened when you did that five months ago..."

 

[EternalGamer]

While some may not have the time to play classic games or work on a PC, I don't have time to fear the TOS monster nor do I have the time to be a videogame broker. Buy, buy, sell, trade, victory! $3 dollars saved.

I agree that in general the advantages/disadvantages of digital ownership and concerns are really mostly abstract and philosophical in regards to the way 95% of us probably actually play games.

However, as a poor grad student, I can attest that it is nice to have my console library to start selling off for junk scrap prices on Half.com when I need to eat. On the other hand, the fact that I pay literally pennies on the dollar for most PC games I buy means that I'm pretty sure that I come out far ahead everytime I buy a PC game from a digital storefront rather than trying to play the crazy Half.com stockmarket game of rapidly depreciating console game value.

 

[Red]

I get gaming fatigue much quicker when playing pc games. When gaming on pc I can only play for periods of 1-2 hours, whereas on a console and tv I can play 10+ hours.

How do you even have that amount of time on your hands?

If anything this is a plus: PC gaming is healthier for you!

 

[ViolentP]

I agree that in general the advantages/disadvantages of digital ownership and concerns are really mostly abstract and philosophical in regards to the way 95% of us probably actually play games.

However, as a poor grad student, I can attest that it is nice to have my console library to start selling off for junk scrap prices on Half.com when I need to eat. On the other hand, the fact that I pay literally pennies on the dollar for most PC games I buy means that I'm pretty sure that I come out far ahead everytime I buy a PC game from a digital storefront rather than trying to play the crazy Half.com stockmarket game of rapidly depreciating console game value.

Fact is, if one is strapped for cash, one sells what he can. Games just happen to have a big market for that sort of thing. To purchase games for the sake of finishing it off quickly enough to make a decent return seems kind of silly. Cut out the middlework and get a Gamefly account.

For me, I take my time with games. I don't game for long periods of time but I game often. I switch back and forth and slowly chip away at my library. It's how I've always played. The pricing of Steam in conjunction with it's accessibility lends itself quite well to my way of enjoying what I do about games.

 

[Snuggles]

If anything this is a plus: PC gaming is healthier for you!

Plus, comfy couch console gaming gives you bad posture since you're slouched over the couch for 10+ hours at a time. With PC gaming, you sit upright and proper in a chair, like a gentleman.

 

[Sinoox]

Not every game comes out on the PC...

I can't think of many other disadvantages than that.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

I get gaming fatigue much quicker when playing pc games. When gaming on pc I can only play for periods of 1-2 hours, whereas on a console and tv I can play 10+ hours.

Putting aside the obvious question which this begs, I think you may be alone in this. I used to play WOW and I can recall one friend pulling a 60+ consecutive hour session the week after the first expansion came out.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

Fact is, if one is strapped for cash, one sells what he can. Games just happen to have a big market for that sort of thing. To purchase games for the sake of finishing it off quickly enough to make a decent return seems kind of silly. Cut out the middlework and get a Gamefly account.

There is no rush. I bought the console version of Portal 2 for $40 (it's currently on Steam for $50) and I played through all the co-op, twice through single player so I could hear all the dev commentary, and got all 1000/1000 achievements. There is nothing left for me to do with the game and I'm just sitting on it. It's the total opposite of rushing through the game. Trade in value is $25 so that means if I trade it in today I could have played the game from top to bottom, taken my time like an old woman and only been $15 out of pocket for the experience. For Halo Reach and Red Dead Redemption I actually traded them in for the same value 2 months later for what I paid for them on launch day.

Games hold their value for a very long time when reselling at least through Amazon.

 

[ViolentP]

There is no rush. I bought the console version of Portal 2 for $40 (it's currently on Steam for $50) and I played through all the co-op, twice through single player so I could hear all the dev commentary, and got all 1000/1000 achievements. There is nothing left for me to do with the game and I'm just sitting on it. It's the total opposite of rushing through the game. Trade in value is $25 so that means if I trade it in today I could have played the game from top to bottom, taken my time like an old woman and only been $15 out of pocket for the experience. For Halo Reach and Red Dead Redemption I actually traded them in for the same value 2 months later for what I paid for them on launch day.

Games hold their value for a very long time when reselling at least through Amazon.

In the example of Portal 2, I got to play it early, got every achievement within about 5 days, and Valve gave me a free copy to give away.

But I get it. You're a reseller, I'm a keeper. Nothing wrong with any of that.

 

[Zoolader]

How do you even have that amount of time on your hands?

If anything this is a plus: PC gaming is healthier for you!

Key Word..... "CAN". I wouldn't actually do that, nor do I have time. The longest I've played in the last decade is probably 5 hours with bathroom and small rest breaks. The point I was trying to make is I have a hard time playing a pc game for multiple hours. It starts to get strenuous on my eyes and I get agitated. Perhaps my monitor is not too great or my chair isn't the most cushion-y.

 

[ViolentP]

Key Word..... "CAN". I wouldn't actually do that, nor do I have time. The longest I've played in the last decade is probably 5 hours with bathroom and small rest breaks. The point I was trying to make is I have a hard time playing a pc game for multiple hours.

Do you have a harder time sitting in a chair over a couch for long periods of time or is it a wrist vs, thumb movement thing?

 

[Snuggles]

Key Word..... "CAN". I wouldn't actually do that, nor do I have time. The longest I've played in the last decade is probably 5 hours with bathroom and small rest breaks. The point I was trying to make is I have a hard time playing a pc game for multiple hours. It starts to get strenuous on my eyes and I get agitated. Perhaps my monitor is not too great or my chair isn't the most cushion-y.

Sounds like you need a new chair, dude. Personally, I use one of these:

 

[Houston3000]

Gamestop made almost half its entire profits off used games sales last year. I think its you that is underestimating how much people value actually owning their purchases as a commodity. But I shouldn't be surprised if long time PC people are not used to being able to do whatever they want with their property, without strict authorization from Gaben himself.

You act as though PC gamers don't actually play console games. I've had one or two consoles every single generation since the NES - I still play my PS3 regularly. I own shit-tons of console games and I enjoy playing them as much as the next guy. The fact that, when speaking of PC games we're discussing Digital Distribution and when we're talking about Consoles we're discussing Physical Retail means there will never be a resolution to the debate unless the topic is "Is DD better than physical copies".

I'll say this: DD and it's DRM schemes are better on PC than they are on console. Physical Retail DRM is better on console than it is on PC (it's practically dead on PC at this point though). If you don't believe that Digital Distribution DRM on the PC with Steam is in a better state than it is on consoles with Microsoft, Sony, and especially Nintendo than I see no hope in saying anything.

Also, taking an hour to get Homeworld to work is beyond me... but maybe because I know where to look to find information I need to get those older games to run. On the other hand hooking up my SNES is impossible because it's been broken for the past 6 years and is sitting my parents garage in Florida. An hour setting up Homeworld, if we're balling it up to that much, is much more preferable than trying to find a working SNES. At least I can use the same machine I play my modern games on. That's neither here nor there though.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

This thread is now about whacky chairs:

Also according to Wiki Homeworld is 100% compatible with modern Windows so I'm inclined to think that either he's not being entirely truthful or PEBKAC.

 

[Snuggles]

This thread is now about whacky chairs:

When I'm not in my egg chair, I use this (NSFW).

 

[jim-jam bongs]

This one is awesome when I bring a woman home (also probably mildly NSFW):

http://www.chairblog.eu/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Unusual-Chair-by-Alan-Jones.jpg

Spoiler

I love that there is a blog about chairs.

 

[amitlu]

I'll say this: DD and it's DRM schemes are better on PC than they are on console. Physical Retail DRM is better on console than it is on PC (it's practically dead on PC at this point though).

The problem is the retail games on PC are being saddled with DRM that makes them lose any advantage they once had. You are getting the worst of both worlds, you aren't getting the convenience of DD and you aren't getting the consumer protection of Retail. This is because retail games are now almost always coming with Steamworks, cd-keys, or online authentication.