Megadragon15
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Even if Sony allowed full installs, why would they not implement a security check like inserting the original game disc for starting the game?elrechazao said:
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What are the chances of PS3 getting complete installations like the 360 has?
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Arpharmd B
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Why does everything have to be about fanboys and console warz?
All the dude said was, fuck this, I'd rather have x-feature x-feature and x-feature first. What was fanboy or trollish about that?
I think most people would agree with him those things are higher up on the priority list. What about that post is worth calling him out for? You're basically trolling the poor kid for no reason. Some people man, just way negative :./
All the dude said was, fuck this, I'd rather have x-feature x-feature and x-feature first. What was fanboy or trollish about that?
I think most people would agree with him those things are higher up on the priority list. What about that post is worth calling him out for? You're basically trolling the poor kid for no reason. Some people man, just way negative :./
Beer Monkey
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Mandatory installs are evil heinous shit. No game should do mandatory installs, it completely sucks to be forced to go through an install session with some game that you haven't played in several months just because you want a quick session or to show somebody an older game.
Optional full installs are awesome. You get the fastest possible load times, the least wear and tear on your optical drive, but if you just want to show some friend some older game you aren't forced to sit through some nasty install bullfuck and make a sandwich.
Security isn't a concern. If PS3 gets hacked enough to override a disc check, the system has been totally compromised at that point and it will all be moot.
So yeah, optional full installs would be a major win and only a rabid lunatic Defense Force member would crap on such an option.
Optional full installs are awesome. You get the fastest possible load times, the least wear and tear on your optical drive, but if you just want to show some friend some older game you aren't forced to sit through some nasty install bullfuck and make a sandwich.
Security isn't a concern. If PS3 gets hacked enough to override a disc check, the system has been totally compromised at that point and it will all be moot.
So yeah, optional full installs would be a major win and only a rabid lunatic Defense Force member would crap on such an option.
elrechazado
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beermonkey@tehbias said:
Hey look, someone else who gets it.
RadarScope1
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My PS3 is far louder than my 360. By far.
Having this option on PS3 would be nice. Again, if it is an option.
Having this option on PS3 would be nice. Again, if it is an option.
disappeared
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It would sure as hell make Metal Gear Solid 4 a little better. Every goddamned chapter...
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beast786 said:
I have no idea.
WickedLaharl
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i like how mandatory installs are OK but an optional full install is just totally out of the question to some sony fans :lol
Unknown One
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If more games went with Uncharted approach I wouldn't care. Load time doesn't really bother me since I don't really play fighting games.
shouamabane
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arstal said:
That bummed me out as well.
Dash Kappei said:
Since I have problems managing now the little space that I have left on my PS3 disk with only the DD games that I own, this feature is not a priority in my wish list of features... But if I upgraded my PS3's HDD this would jump to the top 3 of the list. So for now I'm not rooting for this, in a more or less near futur I'm sure I will.
SamBishop said:
Has there been any actual proof that data is being duplicated on Blu-Ray discs? This trick to speed up disc access always comes up in discussions about the pros and cons of the PS3's Blu-Ray player but I've never seen anyone ever come up with proof that devs are actually using this trick.
BTW I feel Sony should make optional HD installs mandatory. I've got oodles of disk space and I wouldn't mind it if more games would make use of it.
chubigans said:
I don't see any reason to think security would be compromised. After all, PSN titles run from the HDD too. Any "Copy to disk" function would likely encrypt the content, and you'd still have to insert the disk to boot the game.
A bigger issue is that some PS3 games take up a pile of space. A single game might eat up 30Gb. Worse, in Europe especially, you'd be copying a lot of crap like language tracks which would bloat things even more.
Still, I think it be beneficial if games could declare a manifest of their common files, i.e. their executable game code and common assets and the PS3 could silently cache them to enable faster loading. Done right it might make mandatory installs obsolete.
Exactly, should've put that in the OP too. Just last night I was talking to some dude via headset and I was forced to stay in a room where I couldn't even be doing any other things. Of course I want that stuff too, but Sony probably already has it on it's priority list. So please, no more of that.Slavik81 said:
Xbox 360 games already take about 10-15 minutes. That doesn't mean I'm going to sit there watching it. Honestly, this should be a non-issue. I don't care if it takes up to 30 minutes, it's a one time thing, after that I'm having the time of my life. And besides faster loading it's also because of the drive getting less wear and tear, I play my 360 mostly at night so that's a big pluspoint.beast786 said:Dont you think you want to know that before you ask for it.
If full disk images aren't possible I guess this is the next best thing.Cataferal said:
Exactly, I don't think security is a problem. Xbox 360 drive was hacked on day 1 wasn't it? After that we haven't seen anything, even pirates still have to put the disk in so I wouldn't worry about the stuff being hacked. PS3's firmware is solid stuff. Hell, if it could be hacked just make me logged in to PSN.SamBishop said:
So far, I still think there isn't a very good reason for Sony to not be doing this from what I've read here. The bad press thingy comes close from Sony's standpoint but just do it like Microsoft then, don't heavily advertise the fact that you can install full games, just stealth release it in a new firmware upgrade and bold the world optional, warn the user it might take up to 30 minues. Yes, it's a hardcore feature, but that doesn't mean it's not wanted.
I don't think it's just a matter of "going with" something, though. Naughty Dog are incredibly talented and implementing such robust data streaming was obviously not an easy task. People have been doing streaming like that for years now, but many developers still can't seem to pull it off.Ballistictiger said:
SolidusDave
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WickedLaharl said:
kinda depends.
mandatory (and optional if possible) installing a few gb of game data (e.g. frequently used stuff, textures etc.) to boost performance, graphics, features and so on is fine by me. Having a 500gb HDD in my PS3 I would actually prefer them much more than any optional full "installs" (ripped ISOs basically) which only reduce loading times a bit if you are lucky but the game is not designed to really benefit from the HDD.
You may instead just hope for regular downloadable retail PS3 games?
(obviously I'm not talking about these lazy mandatory 5gb - and only because this is the limit - installs of 3/4 of the whole disc, the MGS4 install mess or when a multiplatform games needs an install on PS3 w/o any advantages)
edit: though AFAIK there is also a shared 4(?)gb space on the PS3 HDD which games can temporary use, so I guess you can benefit from the PS3 HDD (besides faster loading) w/o any installs. Maybe clever (streaming) usage of this is how install-less games like U2 can still rock the hardware?
I'm not saying you should not ask for such a feature, but I really don't see the benefits.
no jumbo jet noise, no benefit of the HDD for games otherwise and 6,7gb max sized discs make the feature quite nice&usable on the 360, but I would rather have the PS3 firmware team(s) spending the time on something else.
Slavik81 said:
Yep, seems like people did not read the thread title when posting. No one was attacking the idea, merely gauging the chance of it happening, and that's what was done.
Now if someone wants to make a 'Would you like to get complete installations?' then go right ahead and discuss that there, but we're talking about chances and there's a lot of technicalities that need to be straightened out, and a lot of things higher on the docket that don't involve voluntary installations.
Grant DaNasty
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Let's kill this thread before the stupidity gets too far out of control...
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Because every PS3 game that already requires an install will load slower if you install disc data on top of that.
Thank you, thank you very much. Elvis has left the building.
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Because every PS3 game that already requires an install will load slower if you install disc data on top of that.
Thank you, thank you very much. Elvis has left the building.
Grant DaNasty said:
I guess Sony is too dumb to figure out which games have problems and put a big "WARNING: THIS GAME WILL HAVE PERFORMANCE ISSUES WHEN INSTALLED" message when you try to install it, huh?
qorer said:think about MGS4 crazy installations per chapter
now think about an general option to install PS3 BD games to the HD
you'll have a ~30GB game installed in your PS3s HD + a ~5GB default install for that game + ~2 minutes installations between chapters
not good
HDs exist to be filled. Fucking shit, people.
elrechazado
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Gravijah said:
Sony makes one of the best moves of this gen by letting us buy harddrive upgrades for cheap, but god forbid they offer an option for how to use them in an awesome way. NEVER.
Grant DaNasty
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Gravijah said:
Because it's just bad business to invest a not insubstantial R&D and QA budget into a feature that will only benefit a small minority of games on the platform.
elrechazado
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Grant DaNasty said:
So, is MS more competent than Sony? They managed to do this without bringing their gaming division to its knees. And because Sony already allows for partial installations, they would probably be able to implement it a lot easier. The userbase is also much better adapted for this, what with the bigger hard drive install base on the system. MS had the shitty 20 gigger as the "standard" when this was released. It's all set up to be a much better idea on the PS3, but apparently PS3only fans don't like options. I will say again, you people must have been a fucking riot back when the PS3 was missing a lot of basic features.
"Background downloads? Fuck no we don't need it!. Sony shouldn't waste their resources on something like THAT!!1"
smh continuously
Grant DaNasty
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elrechazao said:
The Xbox 360 didn't have background downloads for a long time too.
The point is that all 360 games have to work without a hard drive so the benefit from installs is near universal, while any PS3 game that requires an install will play worse since the hard drive is overtaxed as it tries to read both the cached disc data and the game's proprietary cache.
elrechazado
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Grant DaNasty said:
That whistling sound was the point flying over your head at 20,000 feet
Grant DaNasty
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elrechazao said:
Look: implementing a feature that will most games play worse is beyond stupid.
Dragona Akehi
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God, I would kill someone for the ability to install Demon's Souls on the PS3 to lessen the INSANELY CRAPPY LOAD TIMES.
While it's unlikely due to the huge file sizes of some exclusive games, options are never a bad thing. If installing somehow effected multiplayer performance, giving an advantage to those who installed versus those who didn't (which is unlikely) then I'd be against it. But only under those circumstances.
elrechazado
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Fafalada said:
You base this on what exactly? Surely based on all of the terribly unplayable 360 installable games, right?
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Stumpokapow
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You could replace this thread title when "What are the chances that <system X> will get <option y> like the <system z> has?" and the responses would be similarly shitty. Some people honestly do not appreciate the value of an option until it's on their platform of choice. It's really bizarre.
Dragona Akehi
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Stumpokapow said:
I can't stand playing Wii or 360 games that aren't installed via HDD. And yet, on my Demon's Souls Box, I have to wait over A MINUTE to start playing an area.
And idiots here are saying it's a TERRIBLE THING to want such an option to be given? Jesus.