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What are your (minimum) expectations for GTA4's sandbox engine?
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Patrick Bateman
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I expect nothing = no disappointments
I liked GTA 3. I didn't like SA and it's over-customizeability. For me, it should be more GTA 3 then SA.
I liked GTA 3. I didn't like SA and it's over-customizeability. For me, it should be more GTA 3 then SA.
speculawyer
Member
speculawyer said:
Wow, I just noticed that I already made a very similar post on the first page of postings. I guess I know what I want. :lol
bengraven
Member
As long as it looks like Saint's Row and plays like Crackdown and keeps that GTA innovation and charm with a great story and cast, than R* and I are cool.
But bring back Samuel L. Jackson!
"See ya 'round, Carl. Like a doughnut!"
"This is a weapon, Officer Pulaski, that was used to gun down a police officer not ten minutes ago. Officer Pendelbury. A fine man, I might add. You work FAST, nigga!"
"That's DRUUUG money!"
But bring back Samuel L. Jackson!
"See ya 'round, Carl. Like a doughnut!"
"This is a weapon, Officer Pulaski, that was used to gun down a police officer not ten minutes ago. Officer Pendelbury. A fine man, I might add. You work FAST, nigga!"
"That's DRUUUG money!"
I don't think anyone would complain if he played another character.
ElectricBlue187
Member
I expect more immersion and realism, i need to be wowed big time
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
I have an idea.
How about they make a world that is a front end for all of their (potential) other games?
Let's say the render Vice City in HD, right? Now give me Tony Hawk-like abilities and a scoring system with a separate selection screen on the front end. Then give me a NFS-like type game (with all the cars and parts and shit) with the appropriate scoring. Hmm...what else? Obviously they could include a story mode (GTAish stuff is fine). You could put in some Sims/Mii stuff for the women/non-gamers (and populate your worlds with your sims/miis). It would be fun to kill them, too.
Then all you have to do is license your front end city that you have rendered in HD, throw the whole thing online, then make shitloads off of all the mini-games and full-games that other devs make around a real-time, fullly populated, online mega-city.
BLAMMO
How about they make a world that is a front end for all of their (potential) other games?
Let's say the render Vice City in HD, right? Now give me Tony Hawk-like abilities and a scoring system with a separate selection screen on the front end. Then give me a NFS-like type game (with all the cars and parts and shit) with the appropriate scoring. Hmm...what else? Obviously they could include a story mode (GTAish stuff is fine). You could put in some Sims/Mii stuff for the women/non-gamers (and populate your worlds with your sims/miis). It would be fun to kill them, too.
Then all you have to do is license your front end city that you have rendered in HD, throw the whole thing online, then make shitloads off of all the mini-games and full-games that other devs make around a real-time, fullly populated, online mega-city.
BLAMMO
anotherworld
Banned
Syb said:
are you crazy?? for that just buy yourself a wii. i am expecting Crackdown graphics or better.
DaCocoBrova
Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
30fps constant.
Merovingian
Banned
Saint's row but better.
Hehe...riiight...
jetjevons said:
Hehe...riiight...
SiegfriedFM
Member
This has no doubt been mentioned around the thread already but here's my laundry list:
* Stylized graphics. Get away (pun not intended) from the moral consequences by actually having graphics that look like the cover art. I'd hate for GTA to go into uncanny valley. GTA's satire would go well with a cartoony look, it's not like there aren't satirical cartoons.
* A combat engine with a mix of Gears of War and Crackdown. Third-person movement and context-sensitive action (mostly hiding behind stuff), some kind of lock-on and targetting body parts, with AI added to this so you can actually shoot someone in the leg or arm and have them give up. I dunno, mercy points.
* Physics, physics. Havok or equivalent needs to be in there. I'm having so much fun in Crackdown, it sure feels like what GTA should be. Only problem is how to make full use of it without the superheroic exaggerations.
* Scaled-down flying. I was thrilled to be able to fly in Vice City, once I got to San Andreas I was mostly bored. This could be improved by a Crackdown-like draw distance and make up for the lack of super powers, but I'd prefer to keep it down to earth. I mean, Grand Theft Auto and not Grand Theft Aero.
* Stylized graphics. Get away (pun not intended) from the moral consequences by actually having graphics that look like the cover art. I'd hate for GTA to go into uncanny valley. GTA's satire would go well with a cartoony look, it's not like there aren't satirical cartoons.
* A combat engine with a mix of Gears of War and Crackdown. Third-person movement and context-sensitive action (mostly hiding behind stuff), some kind of lock-on and targetting body parts, with AI added to this so you can actually shoot someone in the leg or arm and have them give up. I dunno, mercy points.
* Physics, physics. Havok or equivalent needs to be in there. I'm having so much fun in Crackdown, it sure feels like what GTA should be. Only problem is how to make full use of it without the superheroic exaggerations.
* Scaled-down flying. I was thrilled to be able to fly in Vice City, once I got to San Andreas I was mostly bored. This could be improved by a Crackdown-like draw distance and make up for the lack of super powers, but I'd prefer to keep it down to earth. I mean, Grand Theft Auto and not Grand Theft Aero.
I want what most everyone here wants.
- Better shooting system. Aim assist like Crackdown and Scarface would be perfect.
- More lively AI for the NPC's
- I want the NPC's that are driving cars to react more realistically. I can't recall how many times I have been driving and had a NPC car drive into me (on coming traffic) when there was no reason for them to come over to my side of the road. Likewise the cars I'm following always drive like morons too.
- I want the cops to pay attention to people other then me. I hate how I can be in a shootout with mutliple enemies and the cops always show up and just start shooting at me. They'll be standing next to the enemies helping them. Ugh.
But the thing I enjoy the most in GTA games is collecting all the cars. I'm serious. I hope they put in the car collecting missions like they had in GTAIII. Those were so much fun.
- Better shooting system. Aim assist like Crackdown and Scarface would be perfect.
- More lively AI for the NPC's
- I want the NPC's that are driving cars to react more realistically. I can't recall how many times I have been driving and had a NPC car drive into me (on coming traffic) when there was no reason for them to come over to my side of the road. Likewise the cars I'm following always drive like morons too.
- I want the cops to pay attention to people other then me. I hate how I can be in a shootout with mutliple enemies and the cops always show up and just start shooting at me. They'll be standing next to the enemies helping them. Ugh.
But the thing I enjoy the most in GTA games is collecting all the cars. I'm serious. I hope they put in the car collecting missions like they had in GTAIII. Those were so much fun.
EverSoTrendy
Banned
R*TT was a beautiful game. GTA4 probably not so much., but hey. We all don't play GTA games for graphics anyway. I expect it too look 2x better than SR though.
DemonSwordsman
Banned
it should have the scale of LAIR.
TheRagnCajun
Member
watch 'em cop out and use Unreal 3 like everyone else lol
I want to be able to have at least fourty burning cars and hundreds of corpses at my feet as I laugh and get an erection to the torturous murder of innocent men women and children, their blood bile and entrails an erotic soup that paints the asphalt.
They also should have animals in the game. Like bunnies.
They also should have animals in the game. Like bunnies.
revolverjgw
Member
I still want a big, sprawling countryside, but a few more points of interest dispersed throughout. Caves and barns full of goodies and campers and Sasquatches and whatever.
I have always been saying forever it would be nice if they had generic npcs who can give you an unlimited number of missions all over the game world. The missions are what really make you feel like you have a purpose in the world. It felt sad in VC when I was done with the assets and didn't feel like collecting any packages so I just had nothing left to do after beating the main plot.
.........hot coffee or not, GTA needs real mod support! A real sdk with some fun user toolsets. It would be nice to see some real models and more stable total conversions without ruining your installation for some half-working skin pack. I also hope since GTA is going multiplatform from the start it won't almost be a year before the pc version is out.
Pimpbaa said:
True story. I always think my PS3's XMB looks like poopz, because it's black all night (is there a way to customize it?). Real time clock is lame - but nothing wrong with mission specific time of day.
Would actually be cool and weird to see totally deserted streets at 4am tho.
CamHostage
Member
I'm actually looking forward to some of the technical leaps in GTA more than the graphics. Like the possibility with the Rockstar / Euphoria deal that GTA4 might use the Indy motion technology? Stuff like that, I want to see a lot more of in the next GTA more than the graphics. To me, GTA was as realistic as it was not because of the visuals (which were never that spectacular, although I actually found San Andreas to be quite nice looking as a sandbox game with great character animation), but because everything had the feel of being real.
Obviously, I want it to look nice, but I was playing that PSP game a while back and forgot all the physics stuff they have, like how cars lean and bounce, how everything in the world is physical instead of baked in. I want to see that develop. I want to see lights that you can break (shades of PS1 ... why'd that die, I loved shooting out lights!) to change the dynamics of a gunfight. I want to see fog from teargas fill room after room as I try to find safe harbor. I want to see somebody's drink slosh around as they stumble down the street. I want to shoot out bottles in a bar or nightclub and have the alcohol spilled actually able to be ignited. I want to see buildings destroyed if I earn enough to buy a bomb, and I want to see it re-erected over the course of gameplay. I want to walk around and have people start to recognize me from me almost running them over or from them killing their dog, and I want faces to be clear and varied enough that I actually recognize people on the street that I've almost killed (before I finally kill them, of course.) I want to see intersections as crowded as a real city street.
It's that kind of evolution that I'm looking forward to as the game progresses. Shiny and sharp is great, but I might not mind if it just found a high-res medium of the current graphic style (well, maybe not, I hated the look of Crackdown and Saint's Row and so I think visual design will really matter in making GTA look great as well) if everything about the physics and the attention to detail were brought to a never-before-seen level the way GTA3 did in its time.
Obviously, I want it to look nice, but I was playing that PSP game a while back and forgot all the physics stuff they have, like how cars lean and bounce, how everything in the world is physical instead of baked in. I want to see that develop. I want to see lights that you can break (shades of PS1 ... why'd that die, I loved shooting out lights!) to change the dynamics of a gunfight. I want to see fog from teargas fill room after room as I try to find safe harbor. I want to see somebody's drink slosh around as they stumble down the street. I want to shoot out bottles in a bar or nightclub and have the alcohol spilled actually able to be ignited. I want to see buildings destroyed if I earn enough to buy a bomb, and I want to see it re-erected over the course of gameplay. I want to walk around and have people start to recognize me from me almost running them over or from them killing their dog, and I want faces to be clear and varied enough that I actually recognize people on the street that I've almost killed (before I finally kill them, of course.) I want to see intersections as crowded as a real city street.
It's that kind of evolution that I'm looking forward to as the game progresses. Shiny and sharp is great, but I might not mind if it just found a high-res medium of the current graphic style (well, maybe not, I hated the look of Crackdown and Saint's Row and so I think visual design will really matter in making GTA look great as well) if everything about the physics and the attention to detail were brought to a never-before-seen level the way GTA3 did in its time.
..pakbeka..
Member
restroom breaks and cars running out of gas
AranhaHunter
Banned
I know this might be a bit off topic but what is the main dev platform for GTA? PS3 or X360? And which one will have more content, or will they be equal?
notjackbauer
Member
CamHostage said:
My head will explode if just three of these things come about. I'm trying to keep my expectations low. The two things that would completely blow me away- go into any room in any building, and fully destructible environment. I doubt we'll get either. Probably a huge leap though in terms of buildings you can enter- i want to go into a hotel, bust into some guys room, shoot him and then snipe people in the building across the street.
CamHostage
Member
notjackbauer said:
Yeah, fewer places off-limits to the player (hopefully it won't impact loading though, maybe dynamic room-arranging could be possible) and more of a lived-in, shot-up feel, I would like that as well.
notjackbauer
Member
CamHostage said:
is that possible?
one feature I would really like them to include is the ability to use the microphone as a "GPS" when you're in a car and have it mark on your map the matches to, say for instance, the nearest Ammunation.
It has been confirmed for 360 as well, correct? Maybe even XBL co-op...
It has been confirmed for 360 as well, correct? Maybe even XBL co-op...
DaCocoBrova
Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
Visually, there's no reason why this game won't look like Test Drive: Unlimited at the very least. That's what I'm hoping for.
notjackbauer
Member
After watching some vids of TableTennis I'm pretty psyched about fabric physics- the clothes look really realistic in that game. I'm expecting that to carry over to GTA4. Even more than graphics though, I want a cool style- I'm expecting a sleeker, more refined version of the "cartoon-like" graphics of SA. I'm sure whatever they do will blow me away.
bggrthnjsus
Member
more density of, complexity of, and overall greater number of NPCs. the game could be the same overall size as SA and i would be perfectly happy, provided they could increase the density and ai of NPCs.