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[oxrock]

I've struggled with the thoughts of suicide most of my life. For the most part, my EXTREME fear of death kept everything in check. For some reason totally out of the blue, I lost all fear of death recently and suicide has been constantly on my thoughts. I'm not really religious but I was raised catholic, so if I was to commit suicide it's a one way ticket to hell. So basically I've been finding myself hoping I get into a car crash or something.

 

[davepoobond]

you might as well stick around, once you die there's nothing left for you to do.

 

[Andokuky]

Suicide is usually the permanent solution to a temporary problem. What the fuck could be so wrong in someones life that death is the best answer?

Now obviously there are exceptions. Someone with a dreadfully painful illness that wants to die, that's understandable. Someone died to save someone else, also understandable.

But most of the time the person thinking about it should get the fuck over it.

 

[bjork]

you might as well stick around, once you die there's nothing left for you to do.

Are you kidding? You get to go float around and watch people in the shower and on the toilet. You can stand in the middle of the street and laugh as cars pass right through you. You can do all kinds of cool shit.*

*maybe

 

[Absinthe (Permed)]

Suicide is usually the permanent solution to a temporary problem. What the fuck could be so wrong in someones life that death is the best answer?

Now obviously there are exceptions. Someone with a dreadfully painful illness that wants to die, that's understandable. Someone died to save someone else, also understandable.

But most of the time the person thinking about it should get the fuck over it.

First of all, you start your post off with a cliche. Then, you proceed to simplify things by telling people to "get over it".

 

[eudaemonic]

I don't care, really. What someone decides to do is what they decide to do. I only get upset if they do it in such a way that it hurts/kills other people. I'm talking the freeway jumpers and crap like that.

I guess I'm just apathetic to that line of thinking.

 

[Andokuky]

First of all, you start your post off with a cliche. Then, you proceed to simplify things by telling people to "get over it".

Cliche or not it's fact.

Simplifying or not, it's fact.

 

[Koshiba]

My reason I guess for sticking around is because I look at it as, "why not?" might as well stick around and see what happens.

 

[Kevtones]

Heh. If you were a pre-teen sex slave with a liver infection I would take that as mildly insightful advice. But since you likely live in America and own your own computer it's kinda hard to respect your views.

Are you trying too hard? Facetiousness is not your strength.


Anyhow, simple advice, in my experience, is the best way to help those that are endlessly searching for a reason not to off themselves.

A friend of mine, an ex-girlfriend actually, attempted suicide twice in a week's time about a month ago. She's a psychology major, works as a Bicardi girl, has tons of friends, but the grind of it all put her out of sorts with her self and normalcy. She began to isolate herself, got anti-social, and lost a lot of the things mentally healthy people take for granted. This girl, like others I've met, needed reassurance, and simple guidance that things had not altered terribly and the world was (and never has been) trying to get her. It was really simple advice for a girl who did and should've known better, but it seems to have worked.

I'm not saying this type of advice works for any case, but a lot of times, those perplexing themselves into suicide, just need to clear their heads and realize things are not nearly as bad as they seem.

 

[Absinthe (Permed)]

Cliche or not it's fact.

Simplifying or not, it's fact.

Suicide is not always a temporary solution to minor problems. People don't want to think that perhaps a person's life truly does suck and they are absolutely justified in taking their life. If a horribly disfigured person chose to take their life then I wouldn't blink because I would agree with it.

And suicide can't be simplified. You can't just say "get over it" and expect results.

 

[Kevtones]

magic dp

 

[way more]

Suicide is usually the permanent solution to a temporary problem. What the fuck could be so wrong in someones life that death is the best answer?

Now obviously there are exceptions. Someone with a dreadfully painful illness that wants to die, that's understandable. Someone died to save someone else, also understandable.

But most of the time the person thinking about it should get the fuck over it.

A permanent solution? Sign me up! If I had a permanent solution to my acne problem I would be all over that.

 

[Absinthe (Permed)]

Are you trying too hard? Facetiousness is not your strength.


Anyhow, simple advice, in my experience, is the best way to help those that are endlessly searching for a reason not to off themselves.

A friend of mine, an ex-girlfriend actually, attempted suicide twice in a week's time about a month ago. She's a psychology major, works as a Bicardi girl, has tons of friends, but the grind of it all put her out of sorts with her self and normalcy. She began to isolate herself, got anti-social, and lost a lot of the things mentally healthy people take for granted. This girl, like others I've met, needed reassurance, and simple guidance that things had not altered terribly and the world was (and never has been) trying to get her. It was really simple advice for a girl who did and should've known better, but it seems to have worked.

I'm not saying this type of advice works for any case, but a lot of times, those perplexing themselves into suicide, just need to clear their heads and realize things are not nearly as bad as they seem.

I'm sorry, but telling someone to take it easy and clear their head isn't going to help most suicidal people. I also think that the person you're describing wasn't serious about committing suicide. Two times and she wasn't successful? A person that wants to truly kill themselves might fail once, but they'll hardly ever fail twice. It sounds to me that she only wanted the attention.

 

[LCGeek]

As long as your suicide doesn't cause others directphysical harm like some have mentioned it's no one elses business. For those thinking there's nothing beyond keep telling yourself that read up on out of body experiences that have been documented your consciousness will go somewhere else. Near death experience, trips and all other things are proof that one we are free of the physical realm other things do happen.

The reasons for suicide are usually deep rooted issues most who get to this point don't go there on a whim so easily they need something traumatic or stressful to set them. I really would discuss more but I'm not getting deep in to this subject with my own reasons for feeling it or nor those involved in the community I live in where it's quite rampant.

 

[bjork]

My reason I guess for sticking around is because I look at it as, "why not?" might as well stick around and see what happens.

This. FF7RE or bust!

 

[Geek]

A permanent solution? Sign me up! If I had a permanent solution to my acne problem I would be all over that.

I'm certain that if you put a loaded shotgun in your mouth and pulled the trigger, you'd never worry about your acne ever again!

 

[bjork]

I'm certain that if you put a loaded shotgun in your mouth and pulled the trigger, you'd never worry about your acne ever again!

 

[AdventureRacing]

Life = struggle
Some have it better than you
Some have it worse
Learn how to deal with it rather than giving up
Yay life

Suicide = cowardice.

/obvious shit

Suicide is a very complex issue and just making blatant comments like this are ridiculous. People making posts like these either have little experience with this issue or are just insensitive pricks.

Depression? A reason to kill yourself?

Unless you are a suffering from a physical disorder causing this "mental anguish", you are in essence saying that you are weak, and want to feel bad and shitty about yourself. Get yourself checked out to see if their is a physical problem with your brain or body causing this depression or pain. If you are physically fine, time to toughen up a bit, and use some will power and deal with whats going on in your life. Throwing away useless self pity and doing a little hard work on yourself is not a worse option than ending your life.

This post is the worst one by far. Depression is a mental illness. Seriously this post is not just disrespectful it's fucking stupid. There is a difference between just being sad and suffering from depression, i suggest you read up on it sometime.

what can be so bad in your life that you would want to kill yourself?

It's fairly hard to understand until you've been through it, that's the whole point. Trying to rationalize the thoughts of a person suffering from depression (i mean severe depression) is pointless because they aren't in the same state of mind as you.

So many people seem to be replying to this thread under the same assumption. Your simply assuming these people are in a rational state of mind. The decision to commit suicide may not be rational, but people suffering from severe depression aren't always able to think rationally.

Depression is an illness which consumes people, it becomes all they can think about and they can't look to the future. Without proper support i can easily see how someone would make the decision to commit suicide. Do i agree with it? In most cases i don't. Do i think they are selfish for doing it, hell no.

I realize that my post really only talks about people with depression committing suicide but in general that is the major cause.

 

[CrushDance]

I think it's wrong.

But it's your life, your choice. If you're dead what will it matter?

 

[ZealousD]

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

That's my view of it. I don't think there's any logical reason to commit suicide. That being said, the people that usually want to commit suicide aren't exactly thinking about reasons and logic.

 

[Kevtones]

I'm sorry, but telling someone to take it easy and clear their head isn't going to help most suicidal people. I also think that the person you're describing wasn't serious about committing suicide. Two times and she wasn't successful? A person that wants to truly kill themselves might fail once, but they'll hardly ever fail twice. It sounds to me that she only wanted the attention.

She OD'd and the moment she walked out of the hospital (refusing a wheelchair), she broke from her mom, jumped into traffic and got hit by a car. Serious business.



The suicidal people I've come across have serious anxiety about living. They're overrun by pressure that often times, is manifested by their own skewed perception. They usually deny help because they find themselves so beyond 'easy words' and 'simple advice' because they're searching for some kind of complex validation for their suffering. There is no validation when someone is trapped in their own head and the only healing begins when someone accepts that they can change for the better.

I'm not trying to be preachy/pretentious, but this is my view on it after seeing far too many people I know attempt/succeed.

 

[Absinthe (Permed)]

She OD'd and the moment she walked out of the hospital (refusing a wheelchair), she broke from her mom, jumped into traffic and got hit by a car. Serious business.



The suicidal people I've come across have serious anxiety about living. They're overrun by pressure that often times, is manifested by their own skewed perception. They usually deny help because they find themselves so beyond 'easy words' and 'simple advice' because they're searching for some kind of complex validation for their suffering. There is no validation when someone is trapped in their own head and the only healing begins when someone accepts that they can change for the better.

I'm not trying to be preachy/pretentious, but this is my view on it after seeing far too many people I know attempt/succeed.

When I wanted to commit suicide I wanted to slash both wrists, devour tons of sleeping pills, and then jump from a chair and hang myself. Can you imagine hating yourself so much that you want to kill yourself three times over? I don't understand people that try to OD. It rarely works because someone usually walks in and then you get your stomach pumped.

 

[bjork]

Can you imagine hating yourself so much that you want to kill yourself three times over?

Yes. I was gonna do all that while teetering over a flaming bed of explosive nails surrounded by maneating sharks.

What is this, some kind of contest?

 

[speculawyer]

It can be selfish in certain circumstances . . . if you have lots of obligations but decide to not live up to them by commiting suicide then it can be selfish.

But if you really hate life and are living in total pain and your death will not harm anyone else . . . then go ahead, IMHO. Part of freedom is the freedom to end your life, IMHO.

 

[speculawyer]

A permanent solution? Sign me up! If I had a permanent solution to my acne problem I would be all over that.

Well . . . uh . . it would be a permanent solution to your acne problem. Probably not the one you want but it is a permanent solution.

 

[Absinthe (Permed)]

Yes. I was gonna do all that while teetering over a flaming bed of explosive nails surrounded by maneating sharks.

What is this, some kind of contest?

No, but you totally missed the point. If a person wants to kill themselves then they're going to do it. Jumping off of a very tall building will do you in. Usually a gun shot will do. But slashing one wrist or eating a lot of Tylenol isn't a death wish--it's a cry for help.

 

[Kevtones]

When I wanted to commit suicide I wanted to slash both wrists, devour tons of sleeping pills, and then jump from a chair and hang myself. Can you imagine hating yourself so much that you want to kill yourself three times over? I don't understand people that try to OD. It rarely works because someone usually walks in and then you get your stomach pumped.

Why would you ever hate yourself so much? You don't have to share, but have you tried expressing it to anyone?

 

[xabre]

One big turn off from suicide is failing at it and living with the consequences. I read a few stories of people blowing half their faces off with shotguns only to survive. The funny thing is, these people usually get a new lease on life when they do, even though they're now horribly disfigured and disabled. Ironic.

 

[Absinthe (Permed)]

Why would you ever hate yourself so much? You don't have to share, but have you tried expressing it to anyone?

I don't have any answers for you nor myself.

 

[LCGeek]

The suicidal people I've come across have serious anxiety about living. They're overrun by pressure that often times, is manifested by their own skewed perception. They usually deny help because they find themselves so beyond 'easy words' and 'simple advice' because they're searching for some kind of complex validation for their suffering. There is no validation when someone is trapped in their own head and the only healing begins when someone accepts that they can change for the better.

I'm not trying to be preachy/pretentious, but this is my view on it after seeing far too many people I know attempt/succeed.

Perception in other words our conscious state of reality. This is built by belief, emotion, physical senses and behaviors Yes they perception is skewed the question is why which seems to allude those taking the cold and methodical rationalizing mentality as to why someone would commit it. Yet I have to be honest most who ask the why of suicides aren't really listening to the answers given by those with the feelings or evidene left behind those who commit the act.

Nothing is easy in life, yes some advice might be simple yet it doesn't make solving the issue any easier though.

Though your post demonstrates to me an unwilling to actually hear others out on the subject because they seeking a complex validation of their suffering.

For this reason I will break my own word and use an example of a tgirl to demonstrate why suicide is actually a solution to their problems. In this example I'm not using a crossdress or tranvesite rather a transsexual who believes they are female. What is a person like this suppose to do when all the people they thought loved completely rejects the person they are? What are they do to in a society hostile to them tough it out or get over and live the next few decades with feelings that never go away? What about those who economically locked in to the point transistioning isn't possible? Suicide makes perfect sense for those at this point, yet I have a feeling you still won't get what I said.

 

[Koshiba]

When I wanted to commit suicide I wanted to slash both wrists, devour tons of sleeping pills, and then jump from a chair and hang myself. Can you imagine hating yourself so much that you want to kill yourself three times over? I don't understand people that try to OD. It rarely works because someone usually walks in and then you get your stomach pumped.

I understand as sometimes I'm just overcome with an overwhelming hate for myself. It makes me angry. As for OD, I've thought of it before but I decided if I ever did the OD route, I'd rather make sure I'm somewhere people probably won't find me in time to get me to a hospital. Because otherwise, I've always heard stomach pumping isn't a fun experience. Also I can understand people trying to commit suicide and failing, they may want to die but at the same time maybe they're afraid of death or pain. Therefor they have a hard time completing it. If they were actually given a more peaceful for sure way to die, they'd probably take it.

Though I'm also one who agrees that emotional/mental pain is so much worse than physical pain. I don't know about other people, but I feel so much, so badly sometimes that it actually does cause me to physically hurt as well. Which kinda reminds me of that one commericial, "depression hurts" or some such. Mental illness is very complex and people that don't suffer from a mental illness or who don't have any education and experience in it probably have a very hard time understanding it. It's not easy to understand without going through it, really. Even when I try to explain things, it doesn't work out very well.

But since I'm bipolar, here's a website I always show people who may want to get a better understanding of what I'm going through.

http://geocities.com/bipolar_info/

I've always loved the site because another bipolar female like myself created it. I never liked all the cut dry medical descriptions of things because I felt like it's a lot harder for people to get a grasp onto what I might be going through. The girl that made this actually has similar bipolar episodes as I do. I feel she did a pretty good job explaining and describing the episodes and feelings, something I've never been very good at. But might be worth a read for those interested.

 

[speculawyer]

Why would you ever hate yourself so much? You don't have to share, but have you tried expressing it to anyone?

It isn't rational. But it happens. You can't understand it unless you've been there. And when you've been there, you can't explain it to others. Among the best things you can say are "this too will pass". Or "All this over a woman?"

Life is short. Enjoy it as much as you can. You will die eventually . . . and that makes you one of the lucky ones. Most potential people will never get the chance to live, so you owe it to them to enjoy your life to the best you can. And help others enjoy their lives too.

 

[speculawyer]

But since I'm bipolar, here's a website I always show people who may want to get a better understanding of what I'm going through.

RIP Kurt Cobain.

 

[Kevtones]

I don't have any answers for you nor myself.

Are you actively trying to help yourself? I don't pretend to know what your circumstances or life experience is, but the fact you can post about it on an internet message board means your closer to help and probably have more outlets to find help.

 

[Zaptruder]

I've thought about suicide repeatedly as well. In the end, the same reason that put me into a suicidal frame of mind in the first place was the same reason I decided not to kill myself... laziness and apathy.

 

[Koshiba]

RIP Kurt Cobain.

:lol I like that song. I was on the medication Lithium for a while.. What's sad is a lot of bipolar people are actually very creative and intelligent but they often end up self medicating with drugs and alcohol. Which is why I feel I have to be careful of things and I myself am not on any medication at this current point in my life. I am thinking about at least finding a new therapist though. My last one I was really close to and I saw her for several years but I think all of it just kind of got to her and last I heard she was arrested for DUI or something and never called me back again for another appointment.

 

[Absinthe (Permed)]

Are you actively trying to help yourself? I don't pretend to know what your circumstances or life experience is, but the fact you can post about it on an internet message board means your closer to help and probably have more outlets to find help.

I don't know what "trying to help myself" means. And anyone can post about problems on an internet message board. Half of the threads in Off-Topic Discussion are people asking for help. Girl problems. Job problems. Etc. There's no nobility in it.

 

[Koshiba]

I don't know what "trying to help myself" means. And anyone can post about problems on an internet message board. Half of the threads in Off-Topic Discussion are people asking for help. Girl problems. Job problems. Etc. There's no nobility in it.

Maybe he means by seeking therapy or some other means. Which in general isn't a bad idea and you'd be surprised how much it'll help.

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

I just think that if you're willing to kill yourself and most likely endure a lot of physical pain in the process, why not take some chances with your life and try new things? If you aren't afraid of dying, aren't afraid of whatever suicide method you've chosen, why be afraid of change? Fly to a new country with no plan. Try something out and see if you can get better at it. Force yourself into situations you normally hate. Go see a doctor because why not? You're gonna die pretty soon anyway. If you're on the edge of killing yourself, you might as well do a few crazy things (provided they won't hurt anyone besides yourself) because... why not? What have you got to lose?

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

That's my view of it. I don't think there's any logical reason to commit suicide. That being said, the people that usually want to commit suicide aren't exactly thinking about reasons and logic.

When the pain of living exceeds the physical trauma of suicide, suicide becomes pretty logical. There are better alternatives to it in most cases, but I don't think it's an illogical conclusion many people come to.

 

[Kevtones]

Perception in other words our conscious state of reality. This is built by belief, emotion, physical senses and behaviors Yes they perception is skewed the question is why which seems to allude those taking the cold and methodical rationalizing mentality as to why someone would commit it. Yet I have to be honest most who ask the why of suicides aren't really listening to the answers given by those with the feelings or evidene left behind those who commit the act.

Nothing is easy in life, yes some advice might be simple yet it doesn't make solving the issue any easier though.

Though your post demonstrates to me an unwilling to actually hear others out on the subject because they seeking a complex validation of their suffering.

For this reason I will break my own word and use an example of a tgirl to demonstrate why suicide is actually a solution to their problems. In this example I'm not using a crossdress or tranvesite rather a transsexual who believes they are female. What is a person like this suppose to do when all the people they thought loved completely rejects the person they are? What are they do to in a society hostile to them tough it out or get over and live the next few decades with feelings that never go away? What about those who economically locked in to the point transistioning isn't possible? Suicide makes perfect sense for those at this point, yet I have a feeling you still won't get what I said.

The people that I've known to be suicidal have had all different issues and complexities. I'm not saying that life is simple and that one word can spin a mind instantly and forever. What I am saying is that often times, the issues that lead people to do these types of things can be broken down, taken apart, and simplified. A clear head, or a less compressed one is a path to healing in my experience.

I understand and agree that some hardships are greater than others but those living in such dire circumstances need to create relationships with those around them or find joy in what makes them, them. There are things out of people's control that will drive them to horrible things to themselves and to others. But just like murder, suicide in my mind, can only be justified in very strict situations (self-defense, and self-sacrifice).

A transvestite has obvious issues fitting in, but life is more then that. If the person likes who they are, despite rejection, what wrong have they done? Rejection should not equate to self-deprecation and what pity should they derive from having the courage to be who they want to be? How hypocritical is that?

 

[Koshiba]

I just think that if you're willing to kill yourself and most likely endure a lot of physical pain in the process, why not take some chances with your life and try new things? If you aren't afraid of dying, aren't afraid of whatever suicide method you've chosen, why be afraid of change? Fly to a new country with no plan. Try something out and see if you can get better at it. Force yourself into situations you normally hate. Go see a doctor because why not? You're gonna die pretty soon anyway. If you're on the edge of killing yourself, you might as well do a few crazy things (provided they won't hurt anyone besides yourself) because... why not? What have you got to lose?

Exactly. Why not go ahead and see what happens. Thats my reason for living, "Why not?" Hey, might not be the best reason but I guess it works.

 

[Cloudy]

I think it's terrible cos of the pain you'd put your loved ones through. Also, it's a slap in the face to people who don't have a chance to live for various reasons.

Also being a Christian, I think it'd be an insult to God

 

[Cauliflower of Love]

If the person likes who they are, despite rejection, what wrong have they done? Rejection should not equate to self-deprecation and what pity should they derive from having the courage to be who they want to be? How hypocritical is that?

A lot of people that feel rejection, feel rejection from themselves, worst kind of pain someone can feel above all else.

 

[Absinthe (Permed)]

Maybe he means by seeking therapy or some other means. Which in general isn't a bad idea and you'd be surprised how much it'll help.

I'm not going to do that. I think it's bullshit to be frank with you. I can't afford it, for one. It's hard for me to buy into a profession that claims it wants to help people and then turns around and charges them out the ass. Yeah, you're some great humanitarians.

My roommate attends therapy and it hasn't done a thing for him. I'd spend most of the time probably trying to fuck with the therapist, to be honest.

 

[Kevtones]

I don't know what "trying to help myself" means. And anyone can post about problems on an internet message board. Half of the threads in Off-Topic Discussion are people asking for help. Girl problems. Job problems. Etc. There's no nobility in it.

Its not about nobility.


Would you rather enjoy life, and be happy? Or would you rather sulk, pout, and be isolated in self-loathing?

Change starts with you man. You have to want it.

I don't care if its sounds plain or naive, its the truth.

 

[Absinthe (Permed)]

Its not about nobility.


Would you rather enjoy life, and be happy? Or would you rather sulk, pout, and be isolated in self-loathing?

Change starts with you man. You have to want it.

I don't care if its sounds plain or naive, its the truth.

If being happy requires medication and therapy then I will choose the latter option every time.

 

[LCGeek]

The people that I've known to be suicidal have had all different issues and complexities. I'm not saying that life is simple and that one word can spin a mind instantly and forever. What I am saying is that often times, the issues that lead people to do these types of things can be broken down, taken apart, and simplified. A clear head, or a less compressed one is a path to healing in my experience.

I understand and agree that some hardships are greater than others but those living in such dire circumstances need to create relationships with those around them or find joy in what makes them, them. There are things out of people's control that will drive them to horrible things to themselves and to others. But just like murder, suicide in my mind, can only be justified in very strict situations (self-defense, and self-sacrifice).

A transvestite has obvious issues fitting in, but life is more then that. If the person likes who they are, despite rejection, what wrong have they done? Rejection should not equate to self-deprecation and what pity should they derive from having the courage to be who they want to be? How hypocritical is that?

Solid points

I'm saying that while some issues can be taken apart and simplified there are no real or practical solutions to some problems people face.

When I mentioned the tg bit it's not just fitting in with others it's fitting in with yourself. Yes there's more to life but a lot of tgirls don't want to exist in a manner that doesn't match their innerelf. The problem isn't just an external form of rejection but an inner one and why prolong the inevitable ie living out the rest of your years if you hate or come to hate what you are?

Despite what you mention about the hypcorcisy hasn't life taught you in all walks no matter what the hypocrisy is it won't stop another from doing what they want?

 

[Kevtones]

A lot of people that feel rejection, feel rejection from themselves, worst kind of pain someone can feel above all else.

But even then, you can change. You can't change the past, but fuck, just move on, find fun and happiness wherever you can. Hell, GAF gave me a spurt of happiness today (Monday, first day back in school, just got dumped, have the flu, OH WELL) with its ELEPHANT THAT PAINTS thread. Something like that, something that ridiculous, makes life AWESOME.

 

[Cauliflower of Love]

But even then, you can change. You can't change the past, but fuck, just move on, find fun and happiness wherever you can. Hell, GAF gave me a spurt of happiness today (Monday, first day back in school, just got dumped, have the flu, OH WELL) with its ELEPHANT THAT PAINTS thread. Something like that, something that ridiculous, makes life AWESOME.

Indeed, something that took me too long to see, and that I hope everybody that feels empty inside sees.

 

[LCGeek]

But even then, you can change. You can't change the past, but fuck, just move on, find fun and happiness wherever you can. Hell, GAF gave me a spurt of happiness today (Monday, first day back in school, just got dumped, have the flu, OH WELL) with its ELEPHANT THAT PAINTS thread. Something like that, something that ridiculous, makes life AWESOME.

Again great point doesn't change the fact some may not realize or have the will to take that attitude even care too.